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The Canadian Global Affairs Institute
The CGAI Podcast Network is created and produced by the Canadian Global Affairs Institute. Join us each week to explore the energy, defense, and international affairs stories that matter to Canadians. Listen now to CGAI podcasts “The Global Exchange”, “Defence Deconstructed”, and “Energy Security Cubed”, and partner podcasts “Battle Rhythm" and “Conseils de sécurité”. Visit www.cgai.ca for more, or follow us on Facebook, Twitter, or LinkedIn.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
Episodes
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Jan 17, 2025 • 47min
Defence Deconstructed: Deterring North Korean Cyber Attacks & Procuring for the CAF.
In this week’s episode of the Defence Deconstructed Podcast, David Perry interviews Dr. Julie Kim to discuss North Korean cyber programs.
Julie dives into the vast impact of North Korean cyber programs on a global scale, emphasising their scope, response policies from affected countries and Canada’s position in it all. Then, you’ll hear Lieutenant-General Steve Kelsey, Vice Chief of the Defence Staff, address our audience at our 2024 Procurement Conference. This conference was made possible thanks to the support of the Department of National Defence’s MINDS Program, our strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics and Hanwha Defence and Ocean, and our conference sponsors the Business Council of Canada, Raytheon, L3Harris Technologies, the Royal Norwegian Embassy to Canada, Amazon Web Services, Davie, and CAE.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding.
Guest:
Dr. Julie Kim is a Post-Doctoral Fellow leading the Korea Program at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute.
LGen Steve Kelsey is the Vice Chief of the Defence Staff.
Hosts:
David Perry is the President and CEO Canadian Global Affairs Institute.
Music Credit: Drew Phillips
Producer: Charlotte Duval-Lantoine

Jan 16, 2025 • 46min
Energy Security Cubed: How Canada should Respond to US Energy Tariffs with Kent Fellows
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Kent Fellows about the looming prospect of US tariffs on Canadian energy, the options for a Canadian response, and a novel idea for a way to engage with this threat.
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Guest Bio:
- Kent Fellows is am Assistant Professor of Economics and the Director of Graduate Programs for the School of Public Policy at the University of Calgary
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Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
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Reading recommendations:
- "Landman" on Paramount Plus: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14186672/
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Interview recording Date: January 16, 2024
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Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Jan 15, 2025 • 1h 17min
Energy Security Cubed: What will be Justin Trudeau's Energy Legacy? Ft. Monica Gattinger
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Monica Gattinger about the energy and environmental policies crafted by the nine years of the Trudeau government, and what we can expect to last into the future.
You can find Monica's dissertation here: https://repository.library.carleton.ca/concern/etds/41687h88c
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For the intro, Kelly and Joe give an update on Trump's potential tariffs on energy and the Biden Administration's closing shots at Russian energy.
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Guest Bio:
- Monica Gattinger is the Founder and Chair of Positive Energy at the University of Ottawa, and a Fellow with the Canadian Global Affairs Institute.
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Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
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Reading recommendations:
- "Station Eleven: A Novel", by Emily St. John Mandel: https://www.amazon.ca/Station-Eleven-Emily-John-Mandel/dp/0804172447
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Interview recording Date: January 9, 2024
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Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Jan 10, 2025 • 60min
Defence Deconstructed: Developing a Canadian Defence Industrial Strategy
On today’s episode of Defence Deconstructed, Jeff Tasseron discusses the imperative and the pathway for the creation of a Canadian defence industrial strategy with Wendy Hadwen, William Henagan, Trevor Neiman, and Craig Stone.
This episode is a recording from our Procurement conference, which took place on November 25, 2024 in Ottawa. This conference was made possible thanks to the support of the Department of National Defence’s MINDS Program, our strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics and Hanwha Defence and Ocean, and our conference sponsors the Business Council of Canada, Raytheon, L3Harris Technologies, the Royal Norwegian Embassy to Canada, Amazon Web Services, Davie, and CAE.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding.
Guests:
Wendy Hadwen is the ADM Defence Industry Policy at the Department of National Defence
Dr. Craig Stone is a CGAI Fellow and a Professor Emerita at the Canadian Forces College
Trevor Neiman is Vice President Policy and Legal Counsel for the Business Council of Canada
William C. Henagan is the Director for International Economics at the US National Security Council.
Jeff Tasseron is Director of Business Development & Strategy at CAE D&S Canada and a CGAI Fellow.
Host
David Perry is the CEO and President of CGAI.
Music: Drew Phillips. Producer: Charlotte Duval-Lantoine

Jan 10, 2025 • 49min
The Global Exchange: Canada First, not Canada Alone ft. Adam Chapnick
For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson talks with Adam Chapnick about the lessons from his recent book, coauthored with Asa McKercher, Canada First, Not Canada Alone: A History of Canadian Foreign Policy. You can find his book here: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/canada-first-not-canada-alone-9780197653715?cc=ca&lang=en&
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Participants' bios
- Adam Chapnick is Professor of Defence Studies at the Canadian Forces College and the Royal Military College of Canada.
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Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson //
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Reading Recommendations:
- "Canada’s Prime Ministers and the Shaping of a National Identity", by Raymond B. Blake: https://www.ubcpress.ca/canadas-prime-ministers-and-the-shaping-of-a-national-identity
- "Hillbilly Elegy: A Memoir of a Family and Culture in Crisis", by J.D. Vance: https://www.harpercollins.com/products/hillbilly-elegy-j-d-vance?variant=40999190167586
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Recording Date: December 17, 2024.

Jan 8, 2025 • 54min
Energy Security Cubed: Should Canada Double Down on Oil Exports to the US? Ft. Rory Johnston
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Rory Johnston about the recent announcement from the Government of Alberta and Enbridge in the context of a deteriorating relationship between Canada and the United States under the incoming Trump administration.
You can find Joe and Rory's paper here: https://www.cgai.ca/the_co_evolution_of_the_canada_us_oil_industry_and_possible_implications_of_donald_trumps_reelection
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For the intro, Kelly and Joe discuss the current status of Trump's trade threats and movements in North American utilities.
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Guest Bio:
- Rory Johnston is the founder of Commodity Context and a Fellow with CGAI
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Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
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Reading recommendations:
- "The Trading Game: A Confession", by Gary Stevenson: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/727417/the-trading-game-by-gary-stevenson/9780593828328
- "On the Edge: The Art of Risking Everything", by Nate Silver: https://www.amazon.ca/Edge-Art-Risking-Everything/dp/1594204128
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Interview recording Date: January 8, 2024
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Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Jan 3, 2025 • 40min
The Global Exchange: Tariffs, Trade, and the Canada-US Border
For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson talks with Matt Morrison and Tiffany Melvin about the Canada-US relationship under a new Trump administration and what it could mean for trade and the border.
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Participants' bios
- Matt Morrison serves as CEO of the Pacific NorthWest Economic Region
- Tiffany Melvin is President of North American Strategy for Competitiveness, Inc.
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Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson //
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Reading Recommendations:
- "Differ We Must", Steve Inskeep: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/670070/differ-we-must-by-steve-inskeep/
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Recording Date: December 18, 2024.

Jan 3, 2025 • 37min
Defence Deconstructed: Defence Industrial Base and the ICE Pact
On this week’s episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry talks about the ICE Pact, its strategic impetus and implications with William Henagan, Celina Ladyga, and Robert Obayda.
Guests:
William Henagan is Director for International Economics at the White House National Security Council
Celina Ladyga is Director of Maritime and Arctic Security at the White House National Security Council
Robert Obayda is Director for Critical Infrastructure and Investment at the White House National Security Council
Recorded on December 16, 2024
Music by Drew Phillips. Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine

Dec 31, 2024 • 1h 11min
Energy Security Cubed: Energy Security Year in Review 2024
On this special episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan discuss major events in global and Canadian energy security in 2024, and what to watch for into the future.
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Guests:
10:31 - Dr. Ilia Bouchouev, former President of Koch Global Partners and an adjunct Professor at New York University.
17:05 - Jakob Larsen, Head of Maritime Safety & Security at international shipping association BIMCO.
22:51 - Trevor Tombe, Professor of Economics at the University of Calgary. Find Trevor's article for The Hub here: https://thehub.ca/2024/04/30/trevor-tombe-the-trans-mountain-pipeline-was-worth-every-penny/
30:11 - Scott Kennedy, Trustee Chair in Chinese Business and Economics at the Center for Strategic and International Studies
40:26 - RJ Johnston, Senior Director of Research at Columbia University's Center on Global Energy Policy
47:45 - Dan Ujczo, senior counsel in the International Trade and Transportation practice groups at Thompson Hine LLP.
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- Kelly Ogle is CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute.
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute.
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What did Joe read in 2024?
- "War and Peace", Leo Tolstoy: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/656.War_and_Peace
- "The Face of Battle: A Study of Agincourt, Waterloo, and the Somme", by John Keegan: https://www.amazon.com/Face-Battle-Study-Agincourt-Waterloo/dp/0140048979
- "Slow Horses", Mick Herron: https://www.amazon.ca/Slow-Horses-Deluxe-Mick-Herron/dp/1641292970
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What did Kelly read in 2024?
- "The Porcelain Moon: A Novel of France, the Great War, and Forbidden Love" by Janie Chang: https://www.amazon.com/Porcelain-Moon-Novel-France-Forbidden/dp/0063072866
- "Ascent to Power: How Truman Emerged from Roosevelt's Shadow and Remade the World", by David L. Roll: https://www.amazon.com/Ascent-Power-Truman-Emerged-Roosevelts/dp/0593186443
- "Takeover: Hitler's Final Rise to Power", by Timothy W. Ryback: https://www.amazon.com/Takeover-Hitlers-Final-Rise-Power/dp/0593537424
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Interview recording Date: December 31, 2024
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Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Dec 27, 2024 • 59min
Defence Deconstructed: A SITREP on Defence Procurement
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, Ian Brodie takes stock on the current state of procurement initiatives in Canada with Nancy Tremblay, Simon Page, and Richard Shimooka.
This episode is a recording from our Procurement conference, which took place on November 25, 2024 in Ottawa. This conference was made possible thanks to the support of the Department of National Defence’s MINDS Program, our strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics and Hanwha Defence and Ocean, and our conference sponsors the Business Council of Canada, Raytheon, L3Harris Technologies, the Royal Norwegian Embassy to Canada, Amazon Web Services, Davie, and CAE.
If you like this episode, or any of the work CGAI does, please donate. Your support is critical for us to continue our work and expand our reach. Your donation is eligible for a 100% CRA charitable donation tax receipt. https://buy.stripe.com/28o29deEmeCH1ck8ww
Speakers' bios:
Dr. Ian Brodie is CGAI's Program Director
Nancy Tremblay is the Assistant Deputy Minister of Materiel at DND
Simon Page is Assistant Deputy Minister of Defence and Marine Procurement Branch at PSPC
Richard Shimooka is a Senior Fellow at the Macdonald-Laurier Institute
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding
Music Credits: Drew Phillips
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine