
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
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Aug 2, 2019 • 54min
Recode Decode: Pearson CEO John Fallon
John Fallon, CEO of Pearson and leader in educational publishing, discusses the seismic shift from print to digital textbooks. He dives into Pearson's strategies to leverage AI for grading and enhancing personalized learning, and why traditional $300 textbooks are becoming obsolete. Fallon also touches on the future role of teachers amidst these changes and how partnerships with tech giants like Amazon and Microsoft are shaping education. The conversation wraps up with thoughts on the evolving skills needed for today's job market.

Jul 31, 2019 • 1h 12min
Recode Decode: “The Great Hack” director Karim Amer
Karim Amer, director of the Netflix documentary 'The Great Hack,' discusses the ethical implications of data manipulation in political campaigns. Former Cambridge Analytica COO Julian Wheatland reflects on the scandal and the personal responsibility of tech firms. Early Facebook investor Roger McNamee emphasizes the urgency for corporate accountability. The conversation explores the fragility of democracy and the need for transparency in tech, comparing social media giants to mid-century chemical companies, highlighting the dire consequences of data exploitation.

Jul 29, 2019 • 1h 4min
Recode Decode: Megan Rapinoe
Megan Rapinoe, co-captain of the US Women's National Soccer Team, is a fierce advocate for equal pay and a celebrated athlete. In this conversation, she shares the source of her confidence and her iconic celebration pose. She discusses the challenges faced by women's soccer and the ongoing fight for recognition and investment. Rapinoe dives into her clothing brand Re-inc, emphasizing gender expression in fashion. With candid reflections on resilience and her journey, she inspires by urging support for women's sports and considering a future in political leadership.

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Jul 26, 2019 • 1h 1min
Recode Decode: Reddit CEO Steve Huffman
Steve Huffman, Co-founder and CEO of Reddit, discusses his journey from co-founding the platform to navigating its challenges after returning in 2015. He shares insights on Reddit's evolution, the delicate balance between free speech and content moderation, and the complexities of managing controversial communities like /r/The_Donald. Huffman also addresses tech biases, the role of AI in shaping discussions, and the importance of community involvement in creating a respectful online environment, all while contemplating the future of digital engagement.

Jul 24, 2019 • 1h 6min
Recode Decode: Stitch Fix CEO Katrina Lake
Katrina Lake, Founder and CEO of Stitch Fix, shares her inspiring journey as a female tech leader. She discusses the rarity of women in executive roles, the challenges of raising venture capital, and the evolution of personal styling services. Lake delves into Stitch Fix's unique approach to integrating technology with fashion, the importance of understanding customer preferences, and the future of retail without physical stores. She also reflects on lessons learned, mistakes made, and the balance of authenticity in leadership.

Jul 22, 2019 • 57min
Recode Decode: Rep. Adam Schiff
Adam Schiff, U.S. Congressman and chair of the House Intelligence Committee, dives into pressing tech policy issues, particularly around the 2020 election and deepfake threats. He discusses the urgent need for tech regulation and the responsibility of platforms like Facebook and Google in combating misinformation. Schiff shares insights on Russian interference, the evolving political landscape since the Democrats gained a majority, and what he views as the greatest intelligence threats to the U.S. His candid thoughts on restoring political norms are both timely and crucial.

Jul 19, 2019 • 1h 9min
Recode Decode: Andrew Yang
Andrew Yang, an entrepreneur and founder of Venture for America, shares his bold vision for the country, spotlighting his Freedom Dividend proposal for universal basic income. He tackles the challenges of convincing skeptics about UBI and emphasizes the looming threat of job automation. Yang also critiques the current political landscape, addresses climate change, and discusses the need for a human-centered economy. His candid insights on social media's role in politics and the urgent call for data privacy regulations make for a thought-provoking conversation.

Jul 17, 2019 • 52min
Recode Decode: Senator Michael Bennet
Michael Bennet, Senior U.S. Senator from Colorado, discusses the intersection of social media and politics, reflecting on his 2020 presidential run. He highlights the racial education gap in Denver schools and advocates for significant reforms in the public education system to boost innovation. Bennet also voices concerns about the influence of big tech on democracy, the need for regulatory changes, and the impact of Russian disinformation on American politics. He believes in a hopeful vision for a new administration that prioritizes universal health care and economic equality.

Jul 15, 2019 • 50min
Recode Decode: Mayor Pete Buttigieg
Pete Buttigieg, the former presidential candidate and mayor of South Bend, Indiana, discusses tackling systemic racism with his ambitious Douglass Plan. He talks about engaging black women voters and appealing to disenchanted Trump supporters. Buttigieg highlights key issues like climate change, gig worker rights, and the need for tech regulations. He shares personal insights on being openly gay in the military and emphasizes the importance of a political vision inspired by leaders like Abraham Lincoln.

Jul 12, 2019 • 41min
Recode Decode: Harley-Davidson CEO Matthew Levatich (Live at Code 2019)
Former Harley-Davidson CEO Matthew Levatich reveals the impact of trade wars and tariffs on the motorcycle industry. He discusses the company's shift towards electric bikes, showcasing a live demo of their first electric model. Levatich explains the challenges of maintaining U.S. manufacturing expertise and balancing tradition with innovation. He also explores the emerging scooter market and how Harley's omnichannel strategy adapts to changing consumer behaviors while addressing sustainability in transportation.