
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
Latest episodes

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Nov 1, 2022 • 1h 9min
Why Amazon VP Steve Boom just made the entire music catalog free with Prime
Steve Boom, VP of Amazon Music, shares his insights on the groundbreaking changes at Amazon Music for Prime members, including access to 100 million songs. He discusses the complexities of negotiating with record labels and the challenge of ensuring artists receive fair compensation. The conversation also touches on the strategic importance of podcasts in Amazon's ecosystem, especially with the ad-free Wondery catalog, and how technology is reshaping the music industry landscape, potentially setting trends for other sectors.

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Oct 27, 2022 • 1h 6min
Never pay the ransom — a cybersecurity CEO explains why
Steve Cagle, CEO of Clearwater Compliance, shares his expertise on cybersecurity in the healthcare industry. He reveals the staggering value of patient data on the black market, emphasizing how a single record can sell for much more than a credit card number. The conversation dives into the impact of ransomware attacks and the crucial need for hospitals to invest in robust security measures. Cagle also discusses regulatory challenges and the importance of compliance to safeguard sensitive information in an evolving cyber threat landscape.

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Oct 25, 2022 • 1h 8min
The people who make your apps go to Stack Overflow for answers – here's how it works
In this discussion, Prashanth Chandrasekar, CEO of Stack Overflow, shares insights about the platform that connects over 100 million developers monthly for coding questions and answers. He highlights the shift toward a SaaS model and its partnerships with tech giants like Microsoft. Prashanth addresses the challenges Stack Overflow faces in creating a welcoming community amidst criticism of elitism and evolving moderation strategies. He also touches on the significance of community health and the implications of potential changes to liability laws affecting online platforms.

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Oct 18, 2022 • 1h 15min
Why Signal won’t compromise on encryption, with president Meredith Whittaker
Meredith Whittaker, president of Signal and former AI researcher at Google, dives deep into the complexities of encryption and privacy in messaging. She discusses how Signal operates as a nonprofit focused on user privacy while navigating government pressures for surveillance. The conversation highlights the ethical implications of compromising encryption, as well as Signal's commitment to transparency and community trust. Whittaker also shares insights on the delicate balance between user safety and potential misuse, emphasizing the need for strong ethical standards in tech.

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Oct 11, 2022 • 1h 3min
Mark Zuckerberg on the Quest Pro, future of the metaverse, and more
Mark Zuckerberg, CEO of Meta and the architect behind social media's evolution, dives into the future of technology and the metaverse. He discusses the intriguing features of the Quest Pro mixed reality headset and its market positioning against competitors. Zuckerberg expresses his resolve in building the metaverse despite skepticism, highlights privacy concerns with TikTok, and reflects on the challenges of social media algorithms and user engagement. His thoughts on innovation and the competitive landscape reveal a forward-looking vision for tech and social interaction.

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Oct 4, 2022 • 1h 11min
Pat Gelsinger came back to turn Intel around – here’s how it’s going
Pat Gelsinger, the CEO of Intel, returns to discuss his ambitious plans to rejuvenate the tech giant. He shares insights on restructuring Intel's engineering culture and shifting towards a foundry model to compete with TSMC. Gelsinger emphasizes the importance of risk management and collaboration in reclaiming Intel’s legacy. He also delves into Intel's strategic initiatives for domestic manufacturing and the implications of the CHIPS Act. The conversation highlights Intel's latest innovations in CPUs and GPUs and the competitive landscape against rivals like NVIDIA and AMD.

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Sep 27, 2022 • 1h 5min
How Arm conquered the chip market without making a single chip, with CEO Rene Haas
Rene Haas, CEO of Arm, a powerhouse in chip design without chip manufacturing, shares insights from the forefront of modern tech. He discusses Arm's pivotal licensing model and its impact on devices ranging from smartphones to cars. Rene delves into the delicate balance of intuition and data in decision-making, the ongoing chip shortage, and the future of automotive tech. He also highlights Arm's significant role in the transition to Apple’s ARM-based chips and the implications of the CHIPS Act for the semiconductor industry.

29 snips
Sep 20, 2022 • 1h 5min
Can software simplify the supply chain? Ryan Petersen thinks so
Ryan Petersen, Founder and former CEO of Flexport, discusses how software can simplify global supply chains. He highlights the challenges of modernizing freight forwarding and integrating shipping vendor systems. Petersen shares insights on navigating logistical hurdles, particularly at the Port of Long Beach, revealing innovative solutions to improve container management. He also touches on recent leadership transitions at Flexport and the impact of the Biden infrastructure package on growth, emphasizing the need for collaboration in logistics to overcome bottlenecks.

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Sep 13, 2022 • 1h 6min
Everyone knows what YouTube is. Few know how it really works.
Mark Bergen, a Bloomberg reporter and author of "Like, Comment, Subscribe," dives deep into the inner workings of YouTube. He dissects the platform's evolution amidst competitive pressures from TikTok and the complexities of its corporate culture. Bergen discusses YouTube's monetization strategies, the impact of its ever-changing algorithm on creators, and the regulatory challenges it faces. His insights reveal how decisions at YouTube affect both creators and the broader digital landscape, shedding light on what you don't see behind the screen.

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Sep 6, 2022 • 1h 18min
Rewind: How big companies kill ideas — and how to fight back, with Tony Fadell
Tony Fadell, known for his pivotal role in creating the iPod and iPhone, shares his insights on navigating innovation in big organizations. He discusses the cultural clashes faced at Nest after its acquisition by Google, emphasizing the challenges that hinder creativity. The conversation dives into the importance of mentorship and ethical leadership, contrasting emotional with data-driven decision-making. Fadell critiques the metaverse and advocates for real-world impact, while reflecting on the structural changes and communication styles essential for growing companies.