
Practical Wisdom for Leaders with Scott J. Allen, Ph.D.
Practical Wisdom for Leaders is your fast-paced, forward-thinking guide to leadership. Join host Scott J. Allen as he engages with remarkable guests—from former world leaders and nonprofit innovators to renowned professors, CEOs, and authors. Each episode offers timely insights and actionable tips designed to help you lead with impact, grow personally and professionally, and make a meaningful difference in your corner of the world.
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Sep 10, 2021 • 36min
Dr. Marcy Levy Shankman & Dr. Ralph Gigliotti - Leadership Assessments: The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly
Send us a textAbout Dr. Marcy Levy ShankmanAfter five years as the Leadership Coach and Strategist for the Cleveland Metropolitan School District, Marcy is now serving as the inaugural Chief Organizational Learning Officer. In this brand new role, Marcy continues to hold primary responsibility for providing leadership development support to the CEO, the District’s executive leadership team (“the Chiefs”), and 65-person Senior Leadership Team (SLT). Additionally, Marcy has been charged with designing and implementing a system-wide learning agenda for all employees of the District. Marcy lives in Shaker Heights with her husband Brett and loves being a mom for their two college-aged children, Rebecca and Joshua.About Dr. Ralph GigliottiRalph is Assistant Vice President for Strategic Programs in the Office of University Strategy and Director of the Center for Organizational Leadership at Rutgers University, where he provides executive leadership for a portfolio of signature academic leadership programs, consultation services, and research initiatives. He engages directly with academic and administrative leaders in strengthening the Center’s role as a hub for leadership development research and initiatives. He also serves as a part-time faculty member in the Department of Communication, PhD Program in Higher Education, and Department of Family Medicine and Community Health at Robert Wood Johnson Medical School.Marcy and Ralph just edited the book: Using Inventories and Assessments to Enhance Leadership DevelopmentQuote From This Episode"What we've learned is that assessments add tremendous value if used with intentionality, if linked with some broader theoretical frame, if facilitated appropriately, and effectively by individuals who are qualified to help with the assessment and the debriefing."Resources Mentioned in This EpisodePersonality Assessment: The Ice Cream Personality TestMovie: Persona - The Dark Truth Behind Personality AssessmentsBook: Caste by Isabel WilkersonBook: Think Again by Adam GrantBook: ♻️ Please share with others and follow/subscribe to the podcast!⭐️ Please leave a review on Apple, Spotify, or your platform of choice.➡️ Follow me on LinkedIn for more on leadership, communication, and tech.📜 Subscribe to my weekly newsletter featuring four hand-picked articles.🌎 You can learn more about my work on my Website.

Sep 5, 2021 • 43min
Dr. Candace Brunette-Debassige - Undoing the Silence
Send us a textDr. Candace Brunette-Debassige is a Mushkego Cree iskwew scholar originally from Peetabeck Treaty 9 Territory. She is an Assistant Professor in Critical Policy, Equity, and Leadership Studies in the Faculty of Education at Western University. Her research centers on advancing the liberatory needs of Indigenous Peoples in Euro-Western colonial educational spaces. Beyond her scholarship, Candace brings extensive leadership experience in Indigenous education at the K-12 and postsecondary levels. She was the first Indigenous Education Advisor for the Thames Valley District School Board from 2009-2012, and was the Director of Indigenous Student Services at Western from 2012-2017. At Western, she also served as Acting Vice-Provost/Associate Vice President for the Office of Indigenous Initiatives, and Special Advisor to the Provost, from 2018 to 2021.Resources Mentioned in This Episode Documentary - Inendi Podcast - Unreserved Book - Decolonizing and Indigenizing Education in CanadaReport - Truth and Reconciliation Commission of CanadaQuotes From This Episode"There were many, many indigenous peoples that were forced to attend residential schools in our country for over 150 years. So it's generations, generations, and generations of people within particular families and communities were forced legislatively forced to attend these schools.""My grandmother was apprehended by the Royal Mounted Police (RCMP)... she was physically removed from her home at the age of seven. She was forced to attend this school, which was an Anglican school; in her situation, she was prohibited from speaking Cree. And she was taught that to be Cree, to be indigenous, was backward. It was savage, it was uncivilized...the purpose of residential schools was assimilating indigenous peoples into the dominant society.""When you point out the problem, you become the problem." "In my work, I have to lead with subjectivity. That's what brings me credibility when I'm working with the indigenous community. The first thing people are going to ask me is, 'Who are you? Where do you come from?' And, and then I have to develop that relationship. And that relationship is developed through sharing our stories and coming from our experiences."About The International Leadership Association (ILA)The ILA was created in 1999 to bring together professionals with a keen interest in the study, practice, and teaching of leadership. Connect with Scott AllenWebsite♻️ Please share with others and follow/subscribe to the podcast!⭐️ Please leave a review on Apple, Spotify, or your platform of choice.➡️ Follow me on LinkedIn for more on leadership, communication, and tech.📜 Subscribe to my weekly newsletter featuring four hand-picked articles.🌎 You can learn more about my work on my Website.

Aug 29, 2021 • 47min
Dr. Chellie Spiller - Spheres Not Squares
Send us a textDr. Chellie Spiller, (hapū Matawhaiti Iwitea, Ngāti Kahungunu ki Wairoa), is based in Auckland and is a professor at the University of Waikato Management School.Chellie is a passionate and committed advocate for Māori Business development. Her vision is to create relational wellbeing and wealth across spiritual, environmental, social, cultural, and economic dimensions, creating transformation in people, enabling them to claim their rightful place in the world, and embodying their sense of self.Chellie’s leadership qualities are nourished by her academic achievements. Chellie was a Fulbright Senior Scholar at the Harvard Kennedy School and the University of Arizona. She is a recipient of a Research Excellence Award, Dame Mira Szászy Māori Alumni Award, and National Māori Academic Excellence Award. She is passionate about teaching on the postgraduate diploma in business administration (Māori development) where she specializes in management and governance.Quotes From This Episode"I adamantly believe we cannot shoehorn indigenous leadership theory into Western theories. The best that Western theories can do is illuminate some aspect of indigenous leadership, because indigenous leadership is a whole belief system, a whole philosophy/ontology - it’s a way of life.""The invitation of indigenous holistic thinking is to enter a spherical world that’s more rounded, where we show up as whole people. And I guess it is that world of both/and. It’s more interwoven, relational - about the group relationships, group harmony, and group accomplishments, and process orientation.""It comes back to our deep sense of belonging. Belonging, not only to our families, our friends, our communities, but belonging to a place and belonging to the world and to the planet as well. So it really deepens this idea of what it means to belong.""So we make the difference between sphere intelligence and square intelligence - square intelligence being cells and spreadsheets - that rational logic that can really dictate our path. Instead of stepping back and pausing, and just having that time to reflect and look around and tap into the wisdom within us as well."Resources Mentioned in This EpisodeChellie's WebsiteTED Talk - Wayfinding LeadershipBook - Wayfinding LeadershipBook - Kazuo Ishiguro, and It’s Klara in the SunBook - Midnight LibraryPoem - The Mystery by AmerginI am the wind that breathes upon the seaI am the wave of the oceanI am the murmur of the billowsI am the ox of the seven combatsI am the vulture upon the rocksI am a beam of the sunI am the fairest of plantsI am a wild boar in valourI am a salmon in the waterI am a lake in the plainI am a word of scienceI am the point of the lance of battleI♻️ Please share with others and follow/subscribe to the podcast!⭐️ Please leave a review on Apple, Spotify, or your platform of choice.➡️ Follow me on LinkedIn for more on leadership, communication, and tech.📜 Subscribe to my weekly newsletter featuring four hand-picked articles.🌎 You can learn more about my work on my Website.

Aug 19, 2021 • 42min
Dr. Sean Hannah - Ethics is a Team Sport
Send us a textProfessor Sean Hannah, Colonel US Army (Ret) is an experienced senior leader, scholar, and leader development expert. He studies, teaches, and consults on exemplary leadership, leader development, business ethics, strategy and strategic thinking, and the building of high-performing teams and organizations. Prior to his appointment to the Wilson Chair at Wake Forest he served 25 years in the US Army, retiring as a Colonel. He served as the Director of the Center for the Army Profession and Ethic, and the Director of Leadership and Management Programs, both at West Point. He served in command and staff positions in Infantry units in Europe, Cuba, Panama, Southwest Asia, and the United States. In the Pentagon on 9/11, after the attack, he was reassigned to lead the reconstitution of the organization sustaining the highest casualty level, and its multibillion-dollar operation. Sean is a Fellow in both the Society for Industrial and Organizational Psychology and the Association for Psychological Science. He is the Editor in Chief of the Journal of Leadership and Organizational Studies, sits on the editorial boards of three major journals, and has published over 60 papers on leadership in top journals such as Academy of Management Journal, Academy of Management Review, & Journal of Applied Psychology. He has conducted over 600 executive education and consulting engagements in the US, Europe, and Asia, with clients amongst the world's most successful firms such as Microsoft, Deloitte, DOW, GE, 7-11, IBM, UTC, P&G, Wells Fargo, & Morgan Stanley.Selects Publication by Sean Google ScholarMoral maturation and moral conation: A capacity approach to explaining moral thought and actionMoral potency: Building the capacity for character-based leadershipQuotes From This Episode“Ethics should be a team sport in an organization. It shouldn’t just be some leaders sitting there...you know, the grand leader making the decision. Often these tough ones have so many pieces, and so many elements, and so much complexity that it’s good to get everybody’s perspective in the room.”“Your team is always better than one, and leaders who think that they’re going to step up there and lead on their own are fools... you’re not maximizing the talents, skills, abilities, & knowledge of your team.”“We found that ethical leadership and ethical culture, was a key predictor of moral efficacy and that soldiers had much more confidence to act morally when they had an ethical leader.”“One of the toughest things in leadership research is doing leader development research. Because it’s hard work. It requires having a sample that you can tra♻️ Please share with others and follow/subscribe to the podcast!⭐️ Please leave a review on Apple, Spotify, or your platform of choice.➡️ Follow me on LinkedIn for more on leadership, communication, and tech.📜 Subscribe to my weekly newsletter featuring four hand-picked articles.🌎 You can learn more about my work on my Website.

Aug 14, 2021 • 46min
Helle Bank Jorgensen - Stewards of the Future
Send us a textHelle Bank Jorgensen is the CEO of Competent Boards, which offers the global online ESG Competent Boards Certificate and Designation Program with a faculty of over 100 renowned international board members, executives, and experts.She has a 30-year track record in turning Environment, Social, Governance (ESG), Climate, and Sustainability risks into innovative and profitable business opportunities. She has worked with many global Fortune 500 board members and executives, as well as smaller companies and investors.Helle serves on:His Royal Highness Prince of Wales A4S (Accounting for Sustainability) Global Expert Panel;World Economic Forum (WEF) Expert Network for Corporate Governance, Leadership, and Emerging Multinationals;The Non-Financial Digitisation Working Group of the Impact Management Project (IMP);The Reuters Panel of Expert Judges for the Responsible Business Awards;Canadian Climate Governance Experts - a Commonwealth Climate & Law InitiativeHelle was the creator of the world’s first Green Account based on lifecycle assessment and the world’s first Integrated Report, the first integrated responsible supply chain management system, and was the principal organizer for the CEO/Investor-network for Business Ethics and Non-Financial Reporting. She led the improvement of investor communication for global companies and has worked on Natural Capital Accounting for IFC/World Bank.In 2020 she was awarded the Global Impact Award and named one of "5 people in ESG to look out for." She is a regular keynote speaker and author of many thought-leading articles and books.She is a business lawyer and state-authorized public accountant (CPA) by training and holds a Master’s degree in Business Administration and Auditing. She is a former PwC audit and advisory partner in Denmark and the US leading Sustainability & Climate Practices. Quotes From This Episode"Unfortunately, there’s a long way from what was committed to what is actually funded. It’s so easy to come up with the commitments and the nice speeches, but it's another thing to do it.""(Board members) need the mindset....the whole reason why we are educating boards of directors and executives is that we need to have that understanding.""I’m writing a book, and it’s going to be called Stewards of the Future. In my mind, the board of directors has that responsibility. They have to be asking the CEO/management team, 'What are we doing? Do we have enough budgeted?'""We need a plan and we need that plan right now. And we need to follow up on that plan. We need to report on that plan. We need to tell our stakeholders about our plan."Resource Mentioned in This EpisodeFuture HistoryAbout The Internati♻️ Please share with others and follow/subscribe to the podcast!⭐️ Please leave a review on Apple, Spotify, or your platform of choice.➡️ Follow me on LinkedIn for more on leadership, communication, and tech.📜 Subscribe to my weekly newsletter featuring four hand-picked articles.🌎 You can learn more about my work on my Website.

Aug 8, 2021 • 36min
Dr. Kat Schrier - We The Gamers
Send us a textDr. Kat Schrier is an Associate Professor, Director of the Play Innovation Lab, and Director of the Games and Emerging Media program at Marist College. She is the author of We the Gamers: How Games Teach Ethics & Civics, published by Oxford University Press (2021), and Knowledge Games, published by Johns Hopkins University Press (2016). She has previously edited two book series, Ethics and Game Design and Learning, Education, & Games. She was a Belfer Fellow with the ADL's Center for Technology & Society, and she is co-PI for a Templeton Grant on designing VR games for empathy. Prior to joining the Marist College faculty, she worked as a media producer at Scholastic, Nickelodeon, BrainPOP, and ESI Design. She has a doctorate from Columbia University, a master’s from MIT, and a bachelor’s from Amherst College.Connecting with KatKat's Website - https://www.karenschrier.comQuotes From This Episode"Even Fornite, Among Us, Minecraft, are games where you're managing your resources, communicating with others, and you might be building stories...and these are games where people are really practicing civic discourse.""I think the big takeaway is that we are learning when we play games. We are learning through play. It doesn't matter if it's specifically an educational game, or it's a game that is like Minecraft or Fortnite.""I think that games are really helping us to practice ethics, ethical thinking, and ethical decision making."Resources Mentioned in This EpisodeQuandaryFable IIIFallout 3Pandemic (board game)Among UsMinecraftFortniteMission USInternational Game Developers Association♻️ Please share with others and follow/subscribe to the podcast!⭐️ Please leave a review on Apple, Spotify, or your platform of choice.➡️ Follow me on LinkedIn for more on leadership, communication, and tech.📜 Subscribe to my weekly newsletter featuring four hand-picked articles.🌎 You can learn more about my work on my Website.

Jul 22, 2021 • 41min
Jim Kouzes - Everyday People, Extraordinary Leadership
Send us a textJim Kouzes is the co-author of the award-winning, best-selling book The Leadership Challenge and more than a dozen other books on leadership including the 2021 book Everyday People, Extraordinary Leadership. He is also a Fellow of the Doerr Institute for New Leaders at Rice University. The Wall Street Journal named Jim one of the ten best executive educators in the U.S. and he has received the Distinguished Contribution to Workplace Learning and Performance Award from the American Society for Training and Development (ASTD) among many other professional honors.Quotes from This Episode"And we so we asked the question, 'what do you look for and admire in a new leader, someone whose direction you would willingly follow?' and the number one quality was 'honesty.' The number two quality or characteristic people look for and desire in a leader was 'competent.' Honest and competent are the two most important ingredients.""So what this data tells us, you add it all up, and you say, 'Yes, sure, we can write about CEOs. And we can write about famous leaders.' But those aren't the most important people, individuals look to as a model for how they would lead. The most important leaders are those people who are closest to us, whether it's a parent, or a teacher, or coach when we're younger, or an immediate supervisor at work. And that's really important for people to keep in mind. When you're leading, and you're someone's immediate manager, you could be their role model for leadership. The same goes for parents.""It's true that leaders need to be able to articulate a vision of the future...But if it's going to be something that people want to follow, then they have to see themselves in the picture."Jim's WebsiteBook - Everyday People, Extraordinary LeadershipBook - The Leadership ChallengeWebsite - https://www.leadershipchallenge.comResources Mentioned in This EpisodeBook - ♻️ Please share with others and follow/subscribe to the podcast!⭐️ Please leave a review on Apple, Spotify, or your platform of choice.➡️ Follow me on LinkedIn for more on leadership, communication, and tech.📜 Subscribe to my weekly newsletter featuring four hand-picked articles.🌎 You can learn more about my work on my Website.

Jul 19, 2021 • 49min
Beth Zemsky - Saying What's True to Us
Send us a textBeth Zemsky MAEd, LICSW comes to her work out of her continued commitment to engage people in learning activities that move them to understand critical social and cultural issues. Building on best practice approaches, Beth specializes in intercultural organizational development with organizations working towards racial justice, social change, and structural transformation including foundations, non-profits, educational, health, faith-based, and social change organizations. Beth has over 35 years of experience working as a consultant, community organizer, psychotherapist, educator, and organizational leader including serving as the principle of Zemsky and Associates Consulting, a psychotherapist at Family & Children’s Service, founding Director of the LGBTQ Programs Office, Supervisor of the Diversity Institute, and Coordinator of Leadership Development & Organizational Effectiveness at the University of Minnesota. She also served as former national co-chair of the Board of Directors of the National Gay & Lesbian Task Force. She is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, certified clinical trauma professional, and certified workplace mediator.Beth was chosen to be Grand Marshall of the Twin Cities LGBTQ+ Pride, and she was awarded Quorum's Lifetime Achievement Award and OutFront MN’s Legacy Award for service to the LGBTQ community. In addition, Beth was awarded a Bush Leadership Fellowship to study organizational development of social change organizations, and she was the recipient of the 2016 IDI Intercultural Award for commitment to social justice. Quotes from This Episode"I'm Jewish, and there's a piece in Jewish mysticism called 'Tikkun Olam...Tikkun is 'to heal or repair,' and Olam means 'the world.' So the quote literally is "to heal the world." And so this is a super important concept for me...there's is sort of a perfect crystal of God and godliness in everyone and everything. And that when the world was created, that perfect crystal of God was fragmented, in everyone and everything. And our job is to find that perfect crystal of God and godliness and everyone and everything and bring the world back into wholeness...even when somebody is in opposition. And back in the day, it was Anthony Fauci, who was in opposition, that we needed to convince to be a leader on HIV ( it's funny how things cycle). Even when people are in opposition, how to know that they have that little fragment of godliness in them. So it's never seeing somebody as an enemy.""What does that mean to have activism that is centered on love, passion, commitment, and authenticity? And how do I connect with other folks? ""I talk a lot about is this sort of concept of "universal design." So universal design from the disability rights movement is the idea if you sort of hold the people who have the least access at the center of your transformational change, you actually create something better for everybody. "Beth's WebsiteWebsite - www.bethzemsky.com♻️ Please share with others and follow/subscribe to the podcast!⭐️ Please leave a review on Apple, Spotify, or your platform of choice.➡️ Follow me on LinkedIn for more on leadership, communication, and tech.📜 Subscribe to my weekly newsletter featuring four hand-picked articles.🌎 You can learn more about my work on my Website.

Jul 18, 2021 • 47min
Dr. Robert Livingston - The Conversation
Send us a textDr. Robert Livingston is a social psychologist and one of the nation’s leading experts on the science underlying bias and racism in organizations. For two decades, he has served as a diversity consultant to scores of Fortune 500 companies, public-sector agencies, and non-profit organizations. Prior to joining the Harvard Kennedy School in 2015, he held professorships at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, Northwestern University’s Kellogg School of Management, and the University of Sussex, where he was the chair of the organizational behavior area as well as the founder and faculty director of Centre for Leadership, Ethics, and Diversity (LEAD). His research on race, implicit bias, leadership, and social justice has been published in top-tier academic journals such as the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, Academy of Management Journal, Psychological Science, and Leadership Quarterly. Dr. Livingston’s work has also been featured in popular press outlets such as The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and Harvard Business Review. His article “How to Promote Racial Equity in the Workplace” was the winner of the 2020 Warren Bennis Prize, awarded to the best article on leadership published in Harvard Business Review each year. His groundbreaking and influential approach to combatting racism is detailed in his newly-released book The Conversation: How Seeking and Speaking the Truth about Racism Can Radically Transform Individuals and Organizations published by Penguin Random House. The book debuted as a national bestseller in February 2021, and has received high praise from media outlets, book critics, and industry executives. In his spare time, he enjoys jazz, wine and whiskey tasting, gastronomy, philosophy, interior design, real estate investing, and hiking. Quotes from The Conversation"When it comes to performing mental gymnastics most of us are Olympic Athletes.""While many Whites believe that color grants them no special privilege, almost no white person believes that the color of their skin is a burdensome cross to bear.""If we summarize the origins of racism (and sexism) in a single word, it is power. It is both the desire to maintain power and the fear of losing power.""A more secure and happy person is a more tolerant person. You can reduce prejudice simply by feeling good, calm, and secure."“Racism occurs when individuals or institutions show more favorable evaluation or treatment of an individual or groups based on race or ethnicity.”"Prejudice is an attitude-a set of internal beliefs, feelings, and preferences. Discrimination refers to actual behaviors, decisions, and outcomes."Dr. Livingston's WebsiteWebsite: https://robertwlivingston.com/Resources Mentioned in This EpisodeArticle: ♻️ Please share with others and follow/subscribe to the podcast!⭐️ Please leave a review on Apple, Spotify, or your platform of choice.➡️ Follow me on LinkedIn for more on leadership, communication, and tech.📜 Subscribe to my weekly newsletter featuring four hand-picked articles.🌎 You can learn more about my work on my Website.

Jul 10, 2021 • 37min
Dr. Barbara Kellerman - Leaders Who Lust
Send us a textBarbara Kellerman is the James MacGregor Burns Lecturer in Public Leadership at the Harvard Kennedy School. Kellerman received her B.A. from Sarah Lawrence College and three degrees from Yale University: an M.A. in Russian and East European Studies and both an M.Phil., and Ph.D. in Political Science. She was awarded a Danforth Fellowship and three Fulbright Fellowships. Kellerman is a co-founder of the International Leadership Association (ILA).Quotes from This Episode"Every time I speak about leadership, I speak equally about followership and the setting with which this leadership and followership takes place.""We know that there are some people who are driven and obsessive who have this life force. But they're not widely studied...they're not at all studied. They're not written about. And yet they often change the world.""I certainly take the point of view that the lust to try to legitimize an oppressed group is a good thing. There are other lusts such as the lust for power, which is probably almost always not so wonderful because it implies power over someone.""Leaders who lust seem to have an energy, a life force, a zeal, and a dedication to a particular goal. And we, we look at them with a measure of awe."Dr. Kellerman's Website/Selected BooksWebsite: Barbara Kellerman New Book: The Enablers: How Team Trump Flunked the Pandemic and Failed AmericaBook: Leaders Who Lust: Power Money Sex Success Legitimacy LegacyBook: Professionalizing Leadership Book: Leadership: Essential Selections on Power, Authority, and Influence - Book: Followership Book: Bad Leadership Book: Leadership: Multidisciplinary Perspectives About The International Leadership Association (ILA)The ILA was created in 1999 to bring together pro♻️ Please share with others and follow/subscribe to the podcast!⭐️ Please leave a review on Apple, Spotify, or your platform of choice.➡️ Follow me on LinkedIn for more on leadership, communication, and tech.📜 Subscribe to my weekly newsletter featuring four hand-picked articles.🌎 You can learn more about my work on my Website.
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