

Down the Security Rabbithole Podcast (DtSR)
Rafal (Wh1t3Rabbit) Los
This is Cybersecurity's premier podcast. Running strong since 2011 Rafal Los, James Jardine, and Jim Tiller bring a no-nonsense, non-commercial approach to our profession. DtSR brings interviews and discussion with people you want to meet, and stories you have to hear. So whether you're just starting out, or are decades deep into your career, you'll always learn something on this show.On Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/@DtSR_PodcastOn YouTube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqOn LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/
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Jul 11, 2023 • 39min
DtSR Episode 559 - The Law of Diminishing Returns Ride Again
Send the hosts a message - try it now!TL;DRYou've got a slightly different episode this week - it's just James and I on the mic to talk through one of my favorite topics. But first! ... we have to talk about "Threads" and the social media "too much" that's happening. Then we talk about the Law of Diminishing Returns in cyber security -from budget to effort - "How much is good enough?"YouTube Link: https://youtube.com/live/eA6ugisBZb4Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Jul 4, 2023 • 52min
DtSR Episode 558 - The Problems Of Massive Scale
Send the hosts a message - try it now!Tl;DR: ** Happy Birthday America! **This week the podcast is celebrating America's birthday by releasing an episode that is a conversation with one of my favorite Canadians. Mark Nunnikhoven is one of the foremost cloud and large scale security professionals, and if anyone in security understands how to explain some of the stresses and strains of security at massive scale it's Mark. We talk about what he's working on, and how we as an industry can start addressing security problems at massive scale.YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/KIm5m8cAM0QGuestMark NunnikhovenLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marknca/Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Jun 26, 2023 • 36min
DtSR Episode 557 - Changing Culture and Not Getting Fired
Send the hosts a message - try it now!TL;DR:On this week's episode we have an expert in leadership with experience in the Federal/Military sector as well as the civilian side. Bo talks about how culture can be changed, ways to approach your constituents, and which styles of information dissemination work best in organizations both large and small.If you're thinking about how to get your team more "security aware" and more bought in - this is an episode you must hear.Guest:Bo BirdwellLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bobirdwell/Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Jun 20, 2023 • 48min
DtSR Episode 556 - Will Regulation Price Out the Competition
Send the hosts a message - try it now!TL;DR:On this software security and regulation-focused episode of the podcast, the OG of AppSec (Jeff Williams) joins James & I to talk about the latest spate of regulations that require self-attested transparency about what companies are doing with respect to securing their software via supply chain and direct action.Jeff contends this is a good thing and it's hard to argue that transparency drives good - however - I'm always curious what this does to those who struggle to afford to do better, which is what the vast majority of vendors to FedGov are.Interesting discussion, join us!YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/iavtEVADp4gGuestJeff WilliamsLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/planetlevel/Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Jun 13, 2023 • 1h 3min
DtSR Episode 555 - Why Can't We Figure Out the Developer Security Relationship
Send the hosts a message - try it now!TL;DR:On this 555th episode, James Wickett joins James and me on an interesting discussion on AppSec, developer relationships, and why we just can't seem to make it work. Or maybe we're making it work but not giving ourselves credit? Listen in to this conversation and find out. This one will hook you in, as James, James, and I have a slightly depressing conversation that I think ends in something to be hopeful about.YouTube video stream replay: https://youtube.com/live/UIXtZy61CKU Guest:James WickettLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wickett/Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

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Jun 6, 2023 • 47min
DtSR Episode 554 - This is Why AppSec Can't Have Nice Things
Send the hosts a message - try it now!TL;DRThis week's episode goes down the AppSec rabbit hole with Francesco Cipollone (call him "Frank") as we discuss some of the ins and outs of the modern software security challenge. We're all over the place on topics, but the message, in the end, is sane.YouTube video replay: https://youtube.com/live/tJ6pvV3f0uA Guest:Francesco CipolloneLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fracipo/Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

May 31, 2023 • 58min
DtSR Episode 553 - Leadership Series - Selling Cyber Security
Send the hosts a message - try it now!TL;DR:In case you missed the epic LinkedIn Live livestream, here's the podcast version of the conversation with Chris Scanlan (President and Chief Commercial Officer at ExtraHop). James and I talk to Chris about his career, how he picks his next job, his team, and his thoughts on high-performance organizations. Sales is a topic many of our competitive podcasts in this space don't cover much - but I think it's worth the conversation to understand the seller-buyer relationship better because it's SO necessary to your work lives. Besides, Chris is a fantastic interview... enjoy it!LinkedIn Live replay: https://www.linkedin.com/events/dtsrepisode553-sellingcybersecu7062465900553146368/about/Guest:Chris ScanlanLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cscanlan/Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

May 23, 2023 • 43min
DtSR Episode 552 - VPN And Other Dinosaur Tales
Send the hosts a message - try it now!TL;DR:On this week's episode of Down the Security Rabbithole Podcast - Steve Riley visits to talk tall tales of VPN and other connectivity of yore, what it's evolving to, and why it's a generational leap.The conversation with Steve is always a good one, and catch Steve here before you catch him on the Cloud Security Podcast (beat you to it guys!)GuestSteve RileyLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steverileysea/Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

May 16, 2023 • 49min
DtSR Episode 551 - Patching Prioritizing and Punting
Send the hosts a message - try it now!TL;DR:On this week's show, Grant joins us to discuss an episode that draws inspiration from a LinkedIn discussion with Patrick Garrity [original post] (whom could not make our recording, sorry Patrick). The gist of it is this - patching is hard, there are now 925 KEVs (known exploited vulnerabilities) on CISAs list, and that's a truck-ton. The discussion threads the needle between whether prioritization matters at that scale, alternatives, and some reasons to give up hope altogether.Buckle up, this one's a rough one to be a passenger on.Join (or start?) the discussion on the podcast's LinkedIn Page, here.Video stream replay here: https://youtube.com/live/0L2aKUqjmQEGuestGrant SewellLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/grantsewell/Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

May 9, 2023 • 53min
DtSR Episode 550 - Lift Shift and Fail to the Cloud
Send the hosts a message - try it now!TL;DR:On this week's episode, the one and only Jeff Collins joins Rafal & James to talk about the shift to the cloud and what's gone wrong in the years since the collective "we" announced that the cloud was the answer. Feels like a decade has passed, and I think it has, since the start and we're observing increased complexity and varying degrees of security increase/decrease. What's next? Where are we right now? And what does it mean for security?Tune in, find out.YouTube video stream: https://youtube.com/live/Vdx73wpKzGAGuest:Jeff CollinsLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jmcollins/Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast