
Crackers and Grape Juice
Crackers and Grape Juice began in the spring of 2016 with a conversation between Jason Micheli and Teer Hardy. In the years since, two shows have been added to the lineup, Strangely Warmed and (Her)Men*You*Tics, but the goal has remained the same: talking about faith without using stained-glass language.
Latest episodes

Feb 4, 2022 • 1h 13min
Episode 343: Andy Root - Churches and the Crisis of Decline: A Hopeful, Practical Ecclesiology for a Secular Age
A book that marries the theologian of THE 20th century (Karl Barth) with THE philosopher at the turn into the 21st, Charles Taylor, and all for the practical application of pastors and congregations? What’s not to love? On the podcast once again is friend and fellow Princeton alum, Andy Root, of Luther Seminary in the Twin Cities. About his latest:Congregations often seek to combat the crisis of decline by using innovation to produce new resources. But leading practical theologian Andrew Root shows that the church's crisis is not in the loss of resources; it's in the loss of life--and that life can only return when we remain open to God's encountering presence.This new book, related to Root's critically acclaimed Ministry in a Secular Age project, addresses the practical form the church must take in a secular age. Root uses two stories to frame the book: one about a church whose building becomes a pub and the other about Karl Barth. Root argues that Barth should be understood as a pastor with a deep practical theology that can help church leaders today.This book pushes the church to be a waiting community that recognizes that the only way for it to find life is to stop seeing the church as the star of its own story. Instead of resisting decline, congregations must remain open to divine action. Root offers a rich vision for the church's future that moves away from an obsession with relevance and resources and toward the living God.

Jan 28, 2022 • 50min
Episode 342 : Stanley Hauerwas - Fully Alive
“Barth’s attacks on the liberal theologians and what he regarded as their high humanism has led many to label him as anti-humanistic. Barth, however, never abandoned his presumption that to be a Christian is to be a creature on the way to being a human being. To be sure that way is one determined by Christ. “God is God and we are not” remains central to Barth but for Barth the God that is the other is the One that makes us capable of being human.”Our friend, mentor, and muse, Stanley Hauerwas, returns to the podcast to discuss his latest book, Fully Alive, which is a collection of essays on the apocalyptic humanism of Karl Barth. Along the way, we talk about English mysteries, nihilism, and parting forever with friends like John Howard Yoder and Jean Vanier whose work had been so central to his own.

Jan 21, 2022 • 1h 4min
Episode 341: Christy Thomas - The UMC Must Die
Our guest for #341 is our friend Christy Thomas. Christy is a retired UMC Elder and journalist from Texas. She writes at the website The Thoughtful Pastor on Patheos. You may remember Christy from our coverage of the United Methodist Church’s General Conference in 2019. The pandemic has interrupted the UMC’s divorce proceedings, but that does not mean the schism has been event-less. Christy joined us to talk about her recent piece: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/thoughtfulpastor/2022/01/09/the-umc-must-die-to-have-hope-of-life/

Jan 14, 2022 • 50min
Episode 340: A Tale of Two Epiphanies (with the Minion)
On the anniversary of the January 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, Teer, David, and Jason reflect on the ignominious event from the perspective of the Feast of the Epiphany.Before you listen, do us a solid and help out the podcast.Head over to https://www.crackersandgrapejuice.com.Click on “Support the Show.”Become a patronSubscribe to CGJ+For peanuts, you can help us out….we appreciate it more than you can imagine.Follow us on the three-majors of social media:https://www.facebook.com/crackersnjuicehttps://www.instagram.com/crackersandgrapejuicehttp://www.twitter.com/crackersnjuice

Jan 7, 2022 • 1h 2min
Episode 339 : Bradley Jenson - Where God Meets Man
Our guest for #339 is Brad Jenson. A former pastor, Brad has a PhD in Theology from Luther Seminary. A former student of Gerhard Forde, Brad has edited a new edition and written a study guide for Forde’s classic book, Where God Meets Man. In this episode, we talk with Brad about his article on Fuerbach, Barth, and Forde, his time in the parish, Luther’s down-to-earth Gospel, and his work now thinking about longevity and retirement.

Dec 25, 2021 • 1h 7min
Episode 338 : A Crackers Christmas Cocktail Special
The whole gang (well, mostly) poured some libations and got together to talk about Christmas, the incarnation, doubt and the miracle of faith.

Dec 24, 2021 • 1h 1min
Episode 337 : Fleming Rutledge — And in him there is no darkness at all
Back on the podcast is our friend, mentor, and muse, Fleming Rutledge. It’s our Christmas gift to you. Thanks to all our listeners!

Dec 17, 2021 • 1h 10min
Episode 336: Thomas J. Millay - Kierkegaard and the New Nationalism
Our guest for #336 is Dr. Thomas Millay, author of the new book Kierkegaard and the New Nationalism. Thomas is a graduate of Duke Divinity School and Baylor University and he currently serves a parish in Goldsboro, North Carolina. Nationalism is a globally resurgent phenomenon. From Britain to India to the United States of America, we find nations vociferously reasserting their own sovereignty, ethnic composition, and intrinsic superiority. Thomas J. Millay demonstrates how Kierkegaard’s ascetic voice speaks directly to our present crisis.Kierkegaard and the New Nationalism: A Contemporary Reinterpretation of the Attack upon Christendom analyzes the late writings of Kierkegaard in light of this new relevance, for Kierkegaard’s attack upon Christendom is also an attack upon nationalism. For Kierkegaard, taking on nationalism is not simply a matter of undermining false identity constructions. Attacking nationalism is a matter of renunciation: it requires ascetic discipline, such that the selfish motives at the core of one’s identity construction are uprooted and replaced by a self-giving love marked by the willingness to suffer.

Dec 10, 2021 • 1h 8min
Episode 335: Brian Zahnd - When Everything is On Fire
Pastor Brian Zahnd joins the podcast to talk about his newest book, "When Everything's on Fire: Faith Forged from the Ashes."About the book --Is it possible to hold on to faith in an age of unbelief?Intellectual certainty has long been a cornerstone of the Christian faith. But in an age of secularism, skepticism, and cynicism, our worldviews have been shaken. Various solutions exist―some double down on certainty, while others deconstruct their faith until there is nothing left at all. But Brian Zahnd offers a third way: what is needed is not a demolition but instead a renovation of faith.Written with personal and pastoral experience, Zahnd extends an invitation to move beyond the crisis of faith toward the journey of reconstruction. As the world rapidly changes in ways that feel incompatible with Christianity, When Everything's on Fire provides much-needed hope. A stronger, more confident faith is possible when it is grounded in the beauty and truth of Christ. Zahnd permits us to risk the journey of deconstruction so that God can forge something more beautiful in its place.https://brianzahnd.com/https://twitter.com/BrianZahndhttps://www.amazon.com/When-Everythings-Fire-Faith-Forged/dp/1514003333/Before you listen, do us a solid and help out the podcast.Head over to http://www.crackersandgrapejuice.com.Click on “Support the Show.”Become a patronSubscribe to CGJ+For peanuts, you can help us out….we appreciate it more than you can imagine.Follow us on the three-majors of social media:https://www.facebook.com/crackersnjuicehttps://www.instagram.com/crackersandgrapejuicehttp://www.twitter.com/crackersnjuice

Dec 3, 2021 • 49min
Episode 334 : Kenneth Tanner - Our Hardened Hearts: The Plague of School Shootings, the Idolatry of ______, and the Light that IS Winning
Back on the podcast is our friend, Father Kenneth Tanner. Ken is the rector of Holy Redeemer in Rochester Hills, Michigan and a writer for Christianity Today, Mockingbird, Clarion, and The Huffington Post. Oxford High School, the site of the latest school shooting in the US, is in Holy Redeemer's parish, and Kenneth joined us on the podcast to talk about his experience of providing pastoral care to the students, families, and teachers in the immediate aftermath of the tragedy.