
The Crisis in Education Podcast
Educators are the backbone of our nation, and education is its lifeblood. But because of a number of issues exacerbated by politics and the pandemic, it is progressively faltering. From teacher shortages and failing schools to growing mental health issues, there is an undeniable growing crisis in Education at the individual, classroom, and school level. Though painful, with the right approaches, crises can be leveraged as an opportunity for growth. Therefore, Dr. Paul "Paulie" Gavoni and Drew Carter are co-hosting the Crisis in Education Podcast, where Education meets Behavior Science, to interview educational leaders, behavior scientists, and experts around the world to dissect the root causes of crisis issues and explore potential opportunities for sustainable improvement across schools and districts. [Sponsored by the Professional Crisis Management Association - pcma.com]
Latest episodes

Jul 15, 2025 • 33min
From Classroom to Career: Using PBIS to Support Adults with Disabilities with Dr. Keith Storey
Send us a textIn this thought-provoking episode, Dr. Paulie sits down with Dr. Keith Storey—Professor Emeritus, BCBA-D, and lifelong educator—to explore how PBIS (Positive Behavioral Interventions and Supports) isn’t just for schools. They break down how the same strategies that support students in classrooms can be used to empower people with disabilities as they transition into adult life and the workforce.Too often, students with disabilities age out of school and enter “the real world” with minimal support and little preparation for independence. Dr. Storey shares how PBIS strategies can help bridge that gap—creating environments that reinforce dignity, build skills, and increase the likelihood of success in the workplace and beyond.Topics Covered:How PBIS principles apply beyond K-12 to adult employment settingsUsing behavior analysis to increase independence and reduce barriersThe role of teachers and job coaches in shaping meaningful, dignified employmentChallenges in applying PBIS and ABA ethically in adult servicesReal examples of successful workplace inclusionWhy systems-level change is critical to long-term impactTreating adults with disabilities as capable contributors, not passive recipients of supportCheck out Dr. Storey's most recent book POSITIVE BEHAVIOR SUPPORTS FOR ADULTS WITH DISABILITIES IN EMPLOYMENT, COMMUNITY, AND RESIDENTIAL SETTINGS: Practical Strategies That Work (3rd Ed.)

Jul 2, 2025 • 51min
The Evaluation Trap: How We’re Failing Teachers and What to Do Instead with Craig Randall
Send us a textWe all talk about feedback—but what if the real key to teacher growth is the trust behind it?In this episode of the Crisis in Education podcast, Dr. Paulie sits down with Craig Randall, former principal, counselor, and author of Trust-Based Observations, to challenge the compliance-heavy approach to teacher evaluations.Craig makes a compelling case: Feedback matters. But unless it's grounded in psychological safety and authentic relationships, it rarely drives meaningful change. That’s why his trust-based model isn’t just a softer alternative—it’s a smarter one that provides the conditions that actually support learning.You’ll hear:Why most observation systems fall short—even with good intentionsHow trust amplifies the impact of feedbackWhat leaders can do to build a culture where both students and staff thriveIf you're tired of checklists and one-sided evaluations, this conversation offers a clear, evidence-informed path forward.ResourcesCraig's Trust Based Observations Website

Jun 19, 2025 • 52min
The Morningside Effect: Doubling Student Growth through Behavior Science with Andrew Kieta
Send us a textIn this episode, Dr. Paulie sits down once again with Andrew Kieta, Executive Director of Morningside Academy, to unpack what might just be one of education’s best-kept secrets. They dive into the practical magic behind Morningside’s model—one rooted in precision teaching, fluency-based instruction, and the science of human behavior.From guaranteeing students double their expected academic growth to evolving principles from Project Follow Through and Direct Instruction, this episode is a wake-up call to educators, leaders, and anyone serious about accelerating student achievement.Forget gimmicks and shiny tech—this is about outcomes. If you’ve ever wondered what it looks like when behavior science meets real-world education and delivers, this conversation is for you.ResourcesProject Follow ThroughDr. Kent Johnson on Morningside AcademyHow to Use the Standard Celeration Chart

May 21, 2025 • 49min
The 4-Day School Week with Dr. Don Haddad: Innovation or Oversight?
Send us a textIn this episode, Dr. Paulie Gavoni sits down with veteran superintendent Dr. Don Haddad of St. Vrain Valley School District to explore one of the most hotly debated educational shifts in recent years—the 4-day school week. With over 17 years of experience leading one of Colorado’s largest districts, Dr. Haddad brings deep insight into the logistical, academic, and behavioral implications of this bold move.What started as a spirited back-and-forth on social media turns into a candid, thought-provoking dialogue between two leaders in education. They unpack the reasons behind the shift, the data being considered, and what’s at stake for students, families, and staff. Can cutting a day really lead to better outcomes—or are we just masking deeper systemic issues?This conversation challenges assumptions and offers multiple perspectives rooted in both leadership and behavioral science.

May 8, 2025 • 33min
Fixing the Pipeline: Tackling the Education Workforce Crisis with Nicola Soares
Send us a textIn this episode, Dr. Paulie sits down with Nicola Soares, President of Kelly Education, to tackle one of the most urgent issues in education today: the staffing and workforce crisis. With over 20 years of experience spanning product development, policy reform, and leadership across major organizations like NBC Universal and McGraw-Hill, Nicola brings a powerful, pragmatic perspective to the table.They dig into the root causes of high turnover in education, explore data-driven strategies for creating sustainable workforce pipelines, and discuss how schools can shift from reactive hiring to proactive talent cultivation. Nicola shares hard truths, real solutions, and a compelling vision for how schools can survive—and thrive—by rethinking how we recruit, train, and retain great educators.🔥 Whether you're a district leader, teacher, or policymaker, this episode offers actionable insights grounded in experience and behavioral science.👉 Don’t just talk about the crisis—tune in and learn how to fix it.

Apr 23, 2025 • 1h 9min
Trauma-Informed or Trauma-Misguided? A Candid Talk with Best-Selling Author Philip Wire
Send us a textIn this episode of The Crisis in Education Podcast, Dr. Paul "Paulie" Gavoni sits down with Missouri middle school teacher and author Philip Wire to unpack a provocative and timely topic: Are schools getting trauma-informed education right—or missing the mark entirely?Inspired by Philip’s bold book, "Trauma-Informed Tragedy: How Schools Got Trauma Part Right and Part Wrong," this conversation dives deep into the well-intentioned yet sometimes misguided practices that have emerged in the name of supporting students with trauma.Dr. Paulie and Phil explore: ✅ What schools are doing well in addressing trauma✅ Where the system is falling short—and even causing harm✅ Why good intentions aren't enough without behaviorally sound strategies✅ How educators can actually empower students without overaccommodating dysfunctionThis is not your average trauma talk. It’s a raw, respectful, and practical conversation between two professionals committed to helping—not harming—students through real, actionable solutions.🎧 Tune in now to hear what it really means to be trauma-informed—and how to do it better.

Apr 9, 2025 • 41min
Virtual Solutions, Real Impact: ABA Support for Military Families in Education with Emil Majetich
Send us a textIn this powerful episode of the Crisis in Education Podcast, Dr. Paulie welcomes Emil Majetich, a doctoral candidate in early childhood special education, licensed behavior analyst, university instructor, and 25-year fire service veteran. Emil shares his remarkable journey from fire lieutenant and paramedic to behavior analyst, emphasizing the transferable skills and values that fuel his passion for helping others. With firsthand experience supporting families of children with autism in education, especially military families navigating the challenges of virtual service delivery, Emil brings a unique blend of grit, compassion, and behavioral science to the table.Listeners will hear about Emil’s work mentoring the next generation of practitioners, his involvement with organizations like Surfers Healing, and how his experiences in high-stakes, real-life crises inform his perspective on meaningful family and educator support. This episode underscores the importance of authenticity in service delivery and highlights practical ways educators and behavior analysts can collaborate to create lasting impact—not just in theory, but in action.Military & DoD Families with Autistic Children: Take part in a free virtual ABA family coaching study designed specifically for you. Receive personalized support from a Licensed and Board Certified Behavior Analyst and learn practical, evidence-based strategies you can use at home—no travel required. The program is flexible, confidential, and built with military life in mind. Support your child’s development while helping shape better services for other military families. Please use this link https://bit.ly/4hzDjxA or contact Emil Majetich Jr. at emajetic@gmu.edu

Mar 25, 2025 • 45min
Bringing Learners to Center Stage in Value-Based Care with ABA Toolbox's Leila Farshchian
Send us a textJoin Dr. Paulie as he explores value-based care in education with Leila Farshchian MA, BCBA, leader of ABA Toolbox—an award-winning platform advancing science-driven, learner-centered interventions for individuals with autism and disabilities. The conversation explores how integrating behavior analytic principles with compassion and creativity can significantly enhance outcomes for students with special needs. Listen in as Layla shares her inspiring journey into behavior analysis, the critical role of values in education, and practical strategies to empower educators, students, and families alike.Key Takeaways:How CABAS merges science & teaching for individualized success The role of tech-driven solutions in special education & ABA Toolbox The power of collaboration in transforming therapy & learningThis engaging conversation is packed with practical insights for providers dedicated to collaboration, brining the learner to the center for enhanced treatment outcomes in education.To learn more about Leila and her mission, please visit us at: www.abatoolbox.comLeila Farshchian, MA, BCBA. https://www.linkedin.com/in/leila-farshchian-33974335 Contact: Leila@abatoolbox.com

Mar 7, 2025 • 36min
Inclusive Education for Deaf Students: Challenges and Solutions with Jamia Green
Send us a textIn this episode of Crisis in Education, Dr. Paulie sits down with educator and leader Jamia Green to discuss the challenges and opportunities in supporting deaf students. With experience as a teacher of the deaf, a STEM technology educator, a principal, and now a state-level leader in Hawaii, Jamia brings a wealth of knowledge on how to create inclusive and effective learning environments.They dive into why deaf students are often overlooked in discussions about special education, the importance of understanding deafness as an "invisible disability," and how behavior science can be leveraged to enhance learning, communication, and engagement for deaf students. Tune in for an insightful conversation on advocacy, accessibility, and the power of culturally responsive education.

Jan 31, 2025 • 40min
Leadership, Behavior Science, and Change in Education with Pierre Louis
Send us a textIn this episode of the Crisis in Education Podcast, host Dr. Paulie welcomes his good friend and former colleague, Pierre Louis. As a long-time leader and one of the founders of Ovation Behavior Group, Pierre brings deep insights into the intersection of behavior science, leadership, and education.Dr. Paulie and Pierre discuss:✅ How behavior science drives effective leadership in education✅ Challenges and successes in implementing behavior-based strategies✅ The power of mentorship and leadership in fostering meaningful changeThis engaging conversation is packed with practical takeaways for educators, behavior analysts, and leaders committed to improving systems through evidence-based practices. Don't miss it!