

The Crisis in Education Podcast
Professional Crisis Management Association
Educators are the backbone of our nation, and education is its lifeblood. But because of a number of issues exacerbated by politics and the pandemic, it is progressively faltering. From teacher shortages and failing schools to growing mental health issues, there is an undeniable growing crisis in Education at the individual, classroom, and school level. Though painful, with the right approaches, crises can be leveraged as an opportunity for growth. Therefore, Dr. Paul "Paulie" Gavoni and Drew Carter are co-hosting the Crisis in Education Podcast, where Education meets Behavior Science, to interview educational leaders, behavior scientists, and experts around the world to dissect the root causes of crisis issues and explore potential opportunities for sustainable improvement across schools and districts. [Sponsored by the Professional Crisis Management Association - pcma.com]
Episodes
Mentioned books

Mar 7, 2025 • 36min
Inclusive Education for Deaf Students: Challenges and Solutions with Jamia Green
Send us a textIn this episode of Crisis in Education, Dr. Paulie sits down with educator and leader Jamia Green to discuss the challenges and opportunities in supporting deaf students. With experience as a teacher of the deaf, a STEM technology educator, a principal, and now a state-level leader in Hawaii, Jamia brings a wealth of knowledge on how to create inclusive and effective learning environments.They dive into why deaf students are often overlooked in discussions about special education, the importance of understanding deafness as an "invisible disability," and how behavior science can be leveraged to enhance learning, communication, and engagement for deaf students. Tune in for an insightful conversation on advocacy, accessibility, and the power of culturally responsive education.

Jan 31, 2025 • 40min
Leadership, Behavior Science, and Change in Education with Pierre Louis
Send us a textIn this episode of the Crisis in Education Podcast, host Dr. Paulie welcomes his good friend and former colleague, Pierre Louis. As a long-time leader and one of the founders of Ovation Behavior Group, Pierre brings deep insights into the intersection of behavior science, leadership, and education.Dr. Paulie and Pierre discuss:✅ How behavior science drives effective leadership in education✅ Challenges and successes in implementing behavior-based strategies✅ The power of mentorship and leadership in fostering meaningful changeThis engaging conversation is packed with practical takeaways for educators, behavior analysts, and leaders committed to improving systems through evidence-based practices. Don't miss it!

Jan 3, 2025 • 1h 9min
Building Assent, Fun, and Trust: Supporting Teachers and Students in Special Education with Steve Ward
Send us a textEpisode Description:In this episode of The Crisis in Education Podcast, Dr. Paulie sits down with behavior analyst and education expert Steve Ward to discuss practical strategies for supporting teachers and students—especially those with special needs—while highlighting lessons that apply to all classrooms.They dive into the critical role of assent and assent withdrawal, exploring how these concepts can be observed, measured, and taught to both teachers and parents. Steve emphasizes the importance of respecting a learner's right to say "no" and, more importantly, how to reintroduce expectations in ways that build trust, confidence, and engagement.The conversation also challenges traditional approaches to learning by making a compelling case for expanding fun—particularly social fun—as a primary goal. By prioritizing enjoyment and meaningful interactions, educators can create positive ripple effects that go far beyond preparing students to complete tasks.Tune in to learn actionable strategies, from fluency-building formats to incorporating games and routines, that help turn novelty and unpredictability into opportunities for growth. Whether you're a teacher, parent, or school leader, this episode offers insights you can apply right away to make learning more effective and enjoyable for all students.More on SteveWebsiteFacebookArticleshttps://www.archivesofpsychology.org/index.php/aop/article/view/82https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5352626/https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF03393050Webinarshttps://www.eventbrite.com/o/cabs-autism-and-behavior-specialists-34162179949PodcastsTrauma-Informed Care, Assent, and Compassion - A Call for Nuance in ABATrauma Informed Care: Some ThingsYou Should KnowPunishment on Trial in Behavior AnalysisAssent and Compliance: When to Use WhichHow to Help Individuals with Anxiety: Session 187 with Steve WardThe Case for Humor in Behavioral Interventions: Session 111 with Steve WardTeaching Kids with Autism Games and Leisure Activities: Interview with Steve WardBook linksTeaching Good Learner RepertoiresWhat You Need to Know about Motivation and Teaching Games: An in

Dec 2, 2024 • 1h 6min
Teacher Turnover May Be a Threat to National Security: A Chat with Dr. Greg Rockhold
Send us a textIn this eye-opening episode of Crisis in Education, Dr. Paulie sits down with Dr. Greg Rockhold to explore a bold and urgent topic: the growing teacher turnover crisis and its potential implications for national security. Drawing from decades of experience in education and leadership, Dr. Rockhold offers a compelling analysis of how the exodus of teachers from the profession threatens not only the quality of education but also the stability of communities and the nation's future workforce.The conversation lifts up the hood on the systemic challenges driving teacher burnout, the lack of preparation and support for educators, and how these issues ripple out to impact society on a broader scale. Together, they discuss actionable solutions grounded in behavioral science, leadership principles, and policy reform to address this alarming trend.Tune in for a powerful discussion that reframes the teacher turnover crisis as more than just an educational issue—it's a national security concern that demands immediate attention.About Dr. RockholdDr. Greg Rockhold, in his 28th. year as an educational leader, served on the Board of Directors of the National Association of Secondary School Principals (NASSP). He has served in a variety of roles, including:NASSP No Child Left Behind National Task Force,Testified in US Senate Sub-Committee Hearings on Education and New Mexico Legislature many times on behalf of public education, Presenter at NASSP Convention regarding NCLB in San Francisco and Reno,President - New Mexico Coalition of School Administrators (NMCSA),Executive Director - New Mexico Association of Secondary School Principals (NMASSP),Secretary - New Mexico Association for Supervision & Curriculum Development (NMASCD),Colorado Rural Caucus Steering Committee, NCATE - Educational Leadership Constituent Council Reviewer,Considered for a White House Appointment, McDonald’s/NASSP New Mexico Assistant Principal of the Year, Adjunct Professor with Trinity Southwest University, and USMC veteran and Eagle Scout.Greg is a professionally skilled problem solver and highly organized team builder who leads a focus on increasing student performance via targeted professional development for all staff using student data to make informed decisions.Greg is a highly effective change agent and consummate student of transformational leadership, organizational management, organizational efficiency, organizational effectiveness, organizational health, and organizational motivation.As a change agent, Greg presents a clear vision that enables communication to be a give-and-take arena; he is patient yet persistent as people are moving forward; asking the tough questions; character and credibility as Greg is knowledgeable in what he is speaking about as he builds strong relationships on a foundation of trust. He is highly approachable and reliable. While a change agent, Greg creates conditions for sustainable change that permeates the organization.People rejecting indifference – demanding excellence – PRIDE. - Greg Rockhold

Nov 20, 2024 • 39min
Making Data Matter: Christopher Hull on Stakeholder Engagement in Education
Send us a textIn this episode, Christopher Hull sits down with Dr. Paulie to share his journey from the classroom to becoming a leader in educational innovation. As a former teacher, Christopher understands the challenges educators face every day and uses that experience to drive meaningful change in K-12 education. Together, he and Dr. Paulie dive into what it takes to empower teachers, improve student outcomes, and turn data into tools that truly support learning.Christopher opens up about his mission to create a better educational experience for everyone involved—students, teachers, and administrators alike. He discusses how his firsthand experiences shaped his vision and commitment to making a difference where it counts most: in the lives of students and the educators who support them. Tune in for an insightful conversation on rethinking education through passion, purpose, and practical solutions.Click here to learn more about OTUS

Nov 7, 2024 • 49min
Measuring What Matters: Integrating School Climate into School Ratings with Dr. Skip Wilhoit
Send us a textIn this episode of the Crisis in Education podcast, Dr. Paulie sits down with Dr. Skip Wilhoit to dive into a critical yet often overlooked aspect of educational success—measuring and incorporating school climate into the overall school grade. Together, they explore why a supportive, positive climate is essential for both students and educators, the ways in which it impacts academic outcomes, and how school climate metrics can—and should—be integrated into accountability systems. With a blend of candid insights and data-driven discussion, Dr. Paulie and Dr. Wilhoit make the case for why shifting the focus beyond academic scores and towards climate measurement can transform schools into healthier, more effective learning environments. This episode is a must-listen for educators, policymakers, and anyone passionate about meaningful change in education. About Dr. WhilhoitDr. Skip Wilhoit is an experienced educator and administrator specializing in school safety, student intervention, and behavioral management. He has served as the Safe Schools, Dropout Prevention, and Student Intervention Specialist for the School District of Manatee County in Florida. His work in the district includes initiatives focused on bullying prevention and character education, aiming to foster a positive and safe learning environment for students. Dr. Wilhoit has also been involved in securing significant funding for educational programs. He was awarded a $2.7 million grant to benefit his K-12 school district, reflecting his commitment to enhancing educational outcomes and addressing behavioral issues within schools.

Oct 24, 2024 • 59min
Sustaining Excellence: How Culture Drives Teacher Retention with Martin Silverman
Send us a textIn this episode of Crisis in Education, we sit down with 25 year principal Martin Silverman, author of the upcoming book Sustaining Excellence: How Culture Drives Teacher Retention. Marty shares his perspective as a long-time school leader, discussing effective strategies to foster a positive school culture that encourages teacher retention. Dr. Pauile discusses the actionable approaches Marty applied as a leader and outlined in his book, ranging from building autonomy and addressing mental health to creating a "culture of yes" and nurturing a family-like atmosphere in schools. Marty emphasizes the importance of genuine connections within school communities and how these practices can reduce turnover while strengthening the bonds that keep teachers committed to their profession. If you're looking to understand how school culture can be a powerful tool for retaining great educators, this episode is for you.

Sep 16, 2024 • 57min
The Leadership Gap: Addressing the Scarcity of Black Men in School Administration
Send us a textWhy are Black men so rarely seen in leadership roles in our schools? In this episode, Dr. Paulie teams up with Dr. Bruce Tinor, a trailblazing school principal and behavior analyst—perhaps the only Black man to hold both distinctions. In it, they dissect the complex layers of systemic barriers and historical patterns that contribute to this significant underrepresentation. More importantly, they explore the potential profound impact of having Black male leaders in educational settings, discussing how their presence can enhance student outcomes, school culture, and more. Armed with Dr. Tinor’s unique insights and my behavior analysis expertise, we offer actionable strategies to dismantle these barriers. Tune in for a candid, enlightening conversation that not only challenges the status quo but also champions a vision for diverse and dynamic educational leadership.

Aug 28, 2024 • 46min
Systematic Desensitization: Building Resilience and Fortitude in Traumatized Students Returning to School
Send us a textAs students return to school, some carry the invisible burdens of trauma, which can manifest as anxiety, avoidance, and disruptive behavior in the classroom. Recognizing these challenges is critical but only the first step in a comprehensive support strategy.In this episode of the Crisis in Education Podcast, Dr. Paulie explores the application of systematic desensitization as a means of building resilience in traumatized students. Joined by Dr. Robyn Koslowitz, a respected clinical psychologist and trauma specialist, the conversation dives into how methodically and gently exposing students to feared situations within a supportive school environment can alleviate anxiety and help develop fortitude—the ultimate goal of trauma recovery. The episode also touches on the sensitive topic of suicide, offering insights into how educators can navigate these complex issues while supporting students' mental health. This discussion equips educators with practical strategies to help students overcome their fears and thrive in the school setting.

Aug 12, 2024 • 1h 29min
Unlocking Communication and Body Language Secrets in Education with New York Times Best-selling Author Janine Driver
Janine Driver, a New York Times Best-Selling Author and former federal law enforcement officer known as the “Lyin’ Tamer,” shares her expertise on body language and communication. She discusses practical strategies for educators to enhance classroom engagement and improve school safety. Janine emphasizes the vital role of emotional intelligence in teaching and offers tips on proactive approaches to student well-being. With anecdotes from her work and her insights on connecting with students, she provides valuable tools for fostering a supportive educational environment.