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Invisible Machines
"The enemy of nonsense in AI" | The #1 podcast about agentic AI
Join great conversations with experts about the intersections between AI, product design, technology and business.
The bestselling authors of Age Of Invisible Machines are joined by other luminaries to continue the conversations that began in their book—the first bestseller about agentic AI. With a newly revised and updated Second Edition that hit the shelves in spring of 2025, Robb Wilson (CEO and Co-Founder of OneReach.ai) and Josh Tyson expand their explorations of disruptive technology with fellow AI insiders, experts, and luminaries working in adjacent realms.
Join great conversations with experts about the intersections between AI, product design, technology and business.
The bestselling authors of Age Of Invisible Machines are joined by other luminaries to continue the conversations that began in their book—the first bestseller about agentic AI. With a newly revised and updated Second Edition that hit the shelves in spring of 2025, Robb Wilson (CEO and Co-Founder of OneReach.ai) and Josh Tyson expand their explorations of disruptive technology with fellow AI insiders, experts, and luminaries working in adjacent realms.
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Feb 14, 2025 • 31min
Copyrightability and Generative AI - Ed Klaris, Round 2
Did the US Copyright office just declare that AI is the artist, not the tool?Does their new report raise more questions than it answers? Robb and Josh welcome back Ed Klaris, Managing Partner at Klaris Law and Columbia Law professor, for part two of their discussion on the office’s ongoing Copyright and Artificial Intelligence report, focusing on copyrightability.Klaris returns with critical insights into what these updates to copyright law mean with more and more people now using generative AI as part of their creative process. The report sets some useful guidelines for which aspects of AI-assisted creative projects are copyrightable, yet it also sparks new questions about the boundaries between human and machine-generated output.Find out more about Ed Klaris and his work here: https://www.klarislaw.comThe revised and significantly updated second edition of our bestselling book, Age of Invisible Machines, is now available for preorder on Amazon! https://bit.ly/4hwX0a5 In this episode, we mention:US Copyright Office’s report on Copyright and Artificial Intelligence (Part 1: Digital Replicas and Part 2: Copyrightability): https://www.copyright.gov/ai/An AI-Generated Picture Won an Art Prize: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/02/technology/ai-artificial-intelligence-artists.htmlDeepSeek, a Chinese artificial intelligence software company: https://www.deepseek.com/What Air Canada Lost In ‘Remarkable’ Lying AI Chatbot Case: https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisagarcia/2024/02/19/what-air-canada-lost-in-remarkable-lying-ai-chatbot-case/Cursor, an AI code editor: https://www.cursor.com/The Invisible Machines episode, "S4E13 Are generative AI tools unlawful to use?”: S4E13 Are generative AI tools unlawful to use? --------------------------------------------------------------------Support our show by supporting our sponsors!This episode is brought to you in partnership with OneReach.ai—offering turnkey private architecture for building your team’s AI agents with guardrails.Any AI modelsEnterprise-grade securityNo vendor lock-inLearn about creating and orchestrating AI agents for your team:https://onereach.ai/ai-agents/?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=podcast_episode_with_ed_klaris_2&utm_content=1 #AI#AIPodcast#TechPodcast#InvisibleMachines#ArtificialIntelligence#AIAgents#AgenticAI#TechInnovation#GenerativeAI#CopyrightLaw #AILaw#IntellectualProperty#AICopyright#LegalTech#DigitalRights#TechLaw

Jan 31, 2025 • 52min
What Is Life? Round 2 with Blaise Agüera y Arcas
Blaise Agüera y Arcas, author and CTO of Technology & Society at Google, returns to the podcast to talk about his new work, What is Life?. This limited-edition, pocket-sized book is the first part of a larger print project with MIT Press and Antikythera titled What Is Intelligence?. What is Life? draws fascinating parallels between the life-building chemical reactions taking place in natural chimneys deep in our oceans and the work of Alan Turing and John von Neumann in the mid-twentieth century. Blaise joins Robb and Josh to explore how self-reproduction—and thus life—is inherently computational. This conversation delves into the nested nature of life on Earth and how technology is an extension of our evolution.You can buy Blaise’s books from Hat & Beard Press:Who Are We Now? https://hatandbeard.com/products/who-are-we-now-by-blaise-aguera-y-arcas Ubi Sunt https://hatandbeard.com/products/ubi-sunt-by-blaise-aguera-y-arcas In this episode, we mention:Blaise Agüera y Arcas’s work, “What is Life” — read for free online: https://whatisintelligence.antikythera.orgLynn Margulis’s books: https://www.amazon.com/Books-Lynn-Margulis/s?rh=n%3A283155%2Cp_27%3ALynn%2BMargulisConventional evolutionary theory (Neo-Darwinism): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-DarwinismStephen Jay Gould’s books: https://www.amazon.com/Books-Stephen-Jay-Gould/s?rh=n%3A283155%2Cp_27%3AStephen%2BJay%2BGould W. Brian Arthur’s book, “The Nature of Technology: What It Is and How It Evolves”: https://www.amazon.com/Nature-Technology-What-How-Evolves/dp/1416544062The Invisible Machines episode, "Radically Honest AI with Dr. Anna Lembke": S5E01 Radically Honest AI with Dr. Anna LembkeAnna Lemble’s book, “Dopamine Nation: Finding Balance in the Age of Indulgence”: https://www.amazon.com/Dopamine-Nation-Finding-Balance-Indulgence/dp/152474672XRichard S. Sutton and Andrew G. Barto's book, "Reinforcement Learning: second edition: An Introduction (Adaptive Computation and Machine Learning series)" (about temporal difference learning): https://www.amazon.com/Reinforcement-Learning-Introduction-Adaptive-Computation/dp/0262039249/ref=dp_ob_title_bkWolfram Schultz’s work, “Responses of monkey dopamine neurons to reward and conditioned stimuli during successive steps of learning a delayed response task”: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8441015/The direction of time and Boltzmann’s time hypothesis: http://staff.mechmining.uq.edu.au/klimenko/pub/pdf/Phys_Scr_2019.pdfRay Kurzweil's book, "The Singularity Is Near: When Humans Transcend Biology": https://www.amazon.com/Singularity-Near-Humans-Transcend-Biology/dp/0670033847 The story of the Luddites: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LudditeThe Invisible Machines episode, “The Intelligence All Around Us” with James Bridle: S4E4 The Intelligence All Around UsJames Bridle’s' book, “Ways of Being: Animals, Plants, Machines: The Search for a Planetary Intelligence”: https://www.amazon.com/Ways-Being-Machines-Planetary-Intelligence/dp/0374601119 Disney Pixar’s movie, “WALL·E”: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0910970/Joseph Henrich's book, "The Secret of Our Success: How Culture Is Driving Human Evolution, Domesticating Our Species, and Making Us Smarter": https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Our-Success-Evolution-Domesticating/dp/0691166854 Ethan Mollick's book, "Co-Intelligence: Living and Working with AI": https://www.amazon.com/Co-Intelligence-Living-Working-Ethan-Mollick/dp/059371671X Learn about creating and orchestrating AI agents for your team:https://onereach.ai/ai-agents/?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=podcast_episode_with_blaise_aguera_y_arcas&utm_content=1#AI#AIPodcast#TechPodcast#InvisibleMachines#ArtificialIntelligence#AIAgents#AgenticAI#TechInnovation#WhatIsLife#AIandLife#AIResearch#Intelligence#EvolutionAndTechnology#LifeOnEarth#TechAndSociety

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Jan 17, 2025 • 1h
Radically Honest AI with Dr. Anna Lembke
Dr. Anna Lembke, a renowned psychiatrist and chief of the Stanford Addiction Medicine Dual Diagnosis Clinic, dives into the impactful relationship between AI and addiction. She introduces the concept of radical honesty as vital for recovery, linking it to addiction management in the digital age. The discussion critiques the idealistic view of AI's benefits, explores how technology can create addictive behaviors, and emphasizes the ethical dilemmas of AI in human interactions. Ultimately, Lembke advocates for 'radically honest AI' to help navigate the complexities of modern addiction.

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Dec 20, 2024 • 1h 1min
S4E16 How do human brains inform “thinking” machines, with Dr. Thomas Parr
Dr. Thomas Parr, a researcher in theoretical neuroscience at the University of Oxford, discusses active inference as a groundbreaking approach to understanding behavior and cognition. He delves into how human brains minimize free energy and navigate complex predictive reasoning, bridging gaps between AI and cognitive sciences. The conversation also highlights the significance of clear psychological terminology and the interplay between human emotions and AI capabilities. Parr's insights illuminate the transformative potential of integrating neurological understanding into artificial intelligence development.

Dec 6, 2024 • 53min
S4E15 Computer Vision In Action
Despite being a massive piece of the bigger AI puzzle, computer vision doesn’t always get the recognition it deserves. Robb and Josh welcome Dr. Jason Corso, Professor of Robotics at University of Michigan for an In Action episode that explores the complexity and power of machines that can see. Jason is the Co-Founder and Chief Science Officer of Voxel51, which is backed by Bessemer Venture Partners, and in this episode he demonstrates open-source tools available for working with massive datasets that include images and videos. The trio also discuss the border implication of adding the context that vision can afford to multi-agent systems.Explore Dr. Jason Corso’s Voxel51 platform: https://voxel51.com/ FiftyOne Open Source: Voxel51's open source toolkit for building high-quality datasets and computer vision models.FiftyOne Teams: Voxel51’s commercial offering based on open source FiftyOne.People can try FiftyOne at try.fiftyone.ai. Voxel51 on Github: https://github.com/voxel51/fiftyoneA course on Coursera that Voxel51 created called "Hands-on Data Centric Visual AI" — https://www.coursera.org/learn/hands-on-data-centric-visual-aiLearn about orchestrating AI agents for your team:AI agent landing page with the whitepaper: https://onereach.ai/ai-agents/?utm_source=soundcloud+&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=computer_vision_in_action_episode&utm_content=1 Learn about the only tools for orchestrating AI agents that are named a leader by all major analyst firmsAI agent landing page (dev): https://aiagents.onereach.ai/?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=computer_vision_in_action_episode&utm_content=1 #AIPodcast#TechPodcast#InvisibleMachines#AI #ArtificialIntelligence#AIAgents#AgenticAI#ComputerVision#MultiAgentSystems#DataScience#TechInnovation#AIinAction#GenerativeAI#NoCode#Automation #DigitalTransformation#AITech

Nov 26, 2024 • 30min
S4E14 AI Agent Building in Action
What’s it like to build an AI agent? Daniel Lametti, Associate Professor of Psycholinguistics at Acadia University, Visiting Fellow at the University of Oxford, and Senior Academic Advisor to OneReach.ai, returns to Invisible Machines to demonstrate how easy it can be to create and iterate on AI agents.Like other In Action episodes, you’ll watch as we walk through the practical realities of building these systems. This time, see how professor Daniel Lametti creates an objective-based AI agent that helps users craft and send emails. Though he’s hesitant to think of himself as one, conversational technologies have made Daniel a deft software developer. In this In Action episode, Daniel shares his experiences building AI agents with Robb and Josh. The trio discuss and show how coding languages are moving further into the background as machines become more adept at communicating in human language.Follow Daniel Lametti’s work: https://psychology.acadiau.ca/daniel-lametti.htmlLearn about orchestrating AI agents for your team:https://onereach.ai/ai-agents/?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=email_agents_in_action_episode&utm_content=1 #AIPodcast#TechPodcast#InvisibleMachines#AI #ArtificialIntelligence#AIAgents#AgenticAI#GenerativeAI#LLMs#ConversationalAI#InAction#NoCode#Automation #DigitalTransformation#NaturalLangiageProcessing#Email#SoftwareDevelopment#FutureofAI#UXDesign#MachineLearning#AITech

Nov 12, 2024 • 51min
S4E13 Are generative AI tools unlawful to use?
Robb and Josh are joined by Ed Klaris, Managing Partner at Klaris Law, Columbia Law professor, and CEO of KlarisIP, for a conversation about the fate of generative tools like LLMs and AI models that produce audio and video. From Ed’s viewpoint, giant tech companies used stolen content to train the powerful AI models that have quickly changed the world around us.
The trio discuss the question of whether or not it’s lawful for us all to use generative AI tools and how IP and copyright law will impact, and be impacted by generative AI. As we wait for landmark decisions that will determine the fate of these tools, this conversation with Ed Klaris offers context and food for thought, and for some maybe even a sense of alarm.
In this episode, we mention:
The US Copyright Office: https://copyright.gov/
The Statute of Anne, also known as the Copyright Act 1710: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Anne
Google Books copyright case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors_Guild,_Inc._v._Google,_Inc.
AIr Canada AI chatbot case: https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisagarcia/2024/02/19/what-air-canada-lost-in-remarkable-lying-ai-chatbot-case/
Follow Ed Klaris's work: https://www.klarislaw.com/
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Oct 31, 2024 • 37min
S4E12 Designing a Future for AI Natives
Jieun Kiaer, a Professor of Korean Linguistics at Oxford and author of "The Future of Syntax: Asian Perspectives in an AI Age," discusses the complex interplay of Asian languages and AI. She explores the concept of 'AI natives' and how technology alters classroom dynamics. The conversation addresses emotional engagement in human-machine interaction, the ethical implications of AI in arts and education, and how AI can enhance rather than replace human relationships. Jieun emphasizes designing a positive future for younger generations in this fast-evolving landscape.

Oct 17, 2024 • 38min
S4E11 Digital Natives Are Now AI Immigrants
Marc Prensky is widely known for coining the terms “digital native” and “digital immigrant”—both now in the Oxford English Dictionary. In this episode, Marc joins Josh for a conversation about the shortcomings of our current education system and how AI might help inspire and enable a new generation of "AI natives" to design their own future.
The two discuss the challenges that companies face in adjusting to this new technology paradigm, as well as the potential benefits and risks that conversant machines bring to society.
As an eternal optimist, Marc shares his vision of how young people in the third millennium might view productivity and purpose. Marc and Josh also debate the role smartphones play in the classroom of the future, and agree that the world needs more love, empathy, gratitude, and optimism.
In this episode, we mention:
Marc Prensky’s book “Third Millennium Kids: A Hell Yes! Low Stress Guide For Everyone”: https://www.amazon.com/Third-Millennium-Kids-Stress-Everyone/dp/B0DC3J8XV6
Learn more about Marc Prensky: marcprensky.com
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Oct 1, 2024 • 1h 21min
S4E10 Is AI the End of Companies?
With consumer use of AI technology outpacing enterprise adoption, the fear of companies using AI to get rid of employees has been flipped on its head into legitimate threat to the existence of companies as we know them. There’s nothing preventing consumers from using generative tools to disrupt large companies—for example, using a fleet of AI agents to flood and debilitate a call center to take advantage of a promotion.
Harsha Gowda and Nitin Bhudia, respectively the CTO and Director of Innovation at Getronics, join Robb and Josh to discuss the risk organizations take by dragging their feet in the race for AI adoption. This conversation explores how organizations can embrace “artificial incompetence” as a necessary initial phase on the course to artificial intelligence, and seed the velocity that will transform their operations. By using AI agents to create an abstraction layer over existing solutions, organizations can take control of their futures.
In this episode, we mention:
The Invisible Machines episode “Digital Twins in an Agentic World” with Dr. Michael Grieves, the father of Digital Twins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsL3w2bVjmw
The TV series “Fawlty Towers”: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072500/
Learn more about Getronics: https://www.getronics.com/
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