
Discourse in Magic
Jonah Babins from Discourse in Magic tackles magic’s hardest issues, theories, philosophies, discussion, and more to help you explore. He jumps into all sorts of magic, and resources, and most importantly actionable tips to help better the art and become a killer performer!
Latest episodes

Jul 11, 2024 • 1h 1min
Jandro’s Magical Evolution
Jandro, a Spanish magician inspired by Juan Tamariz, shares his magical journey from a local magician's academy to Spanish TV fame. Topics include joke writing, creativity in magic, fooling Penn and Teller, and the influence of master magicians Tamariz and Ascanio. An entertaining peek into the world of magic and entertainment.

Jul 4, 2024 • 13min
My Top 3 Magic Projects
Unlock the secrets to making your magic performances more natural and convincing. Join Jonah Babins as he reveals his three favorite magic projects that have profoundly influenced his approach to magic and performance. From magic theory to practical techniques, these projects have reshaped his understanding and execution of the craft. Whether you’re a seasoned magician or just starting out, this episode is packed with practical tips and theoretical gems that will inspire you to rethink and refine your magical chops!
Dani DaOrtiz’s Utopia
We start with Dani DaOrtiz’s groundbreaking “Utopia” series. Learn the transformative lessons contained in this four-DVD collection, produced by Luís de Matos. Dani’s emphasis on clarity and naturalness has reshaped his approach to close-up card magic, and why replacing suspicious maneuvers with straightforward actions can make your tricks more believable.
Discover how these priceless insights have not only enhanced Jonah’s performances but can also revolutionize your own magic acts. Whether you’re a seasoned magician or just starting out, these DVD’s are packed with practical tips and theoretical gems that will inspire you to rethink and refine your magical craft.
Asi Win’s Repertoire
This volume presents an extensive collection of Asi Wind’s repertoire that stretches over the last two decades. Asi’s style of performance has led him to devise magic that seems as fair as it gets and magic almost happens by itself. These routines that have been kept under wraps for many years are laid out here for the first time in great detail.
Asi also revisits several routines he published in the past and brings them up to date with added details and features that he developed over the years while performing them.
Magic Rainbow by Juan Tamariz
The Magic Rainbow is the fruit of more than forty years of thought, study and analysis by Juan Tamariz, considered a genius of magic the world over. In 1988, Tamariz published The Magic Way, which became an immediate classic. In it he revealed a brilliant system for making the secret methods of magic effects impossible to detect. In The Magic Rainbow, Tamariz takes his readers and their audiences farther up The Magic Way until they are delivered to the ultimate destination, where logical analysis is abandoned to emotions of amazement, fascination and wonder; where the feeling of magic becomes, for a while, an impossibility firmly rooted in reality.
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Magic Rainbow by Juan Tamariz
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Jun 30, 2024 • 1h 10min
Reimagining Magic with Gaetan Bloom
Legendary magician Gaetan Bloom shares his magical journey from a curious child to an iconic figure. He discusses pivotal mentors, transforming everyday objects in magic, and the importance of curiosity and problem-solving in creating unique tricks. From his early experiences to forming relationships with influential figures like Ken Brooke and Dai Vernon, Gaetan's insights and creative process are sure to captivate and inspire aspiring magicians and magic enthusiasts alike.

Jun 20, 2024 • 14min
The Math Of $100k
Learn how charging $250 per show might be hindering your path to a $100,000 magic business. Dive into the math and strategies with insights on pricing, bookings, and market positioning. Discover why sticking to traditional rates could be holding you back from financial success.

Jun 13, 2024 • 45min
Jeki Yoo: The Art of Pop-Up Magic
Jeki Yoo, known for crafting pop-up magic for TV and social media, shares his creative process and business insights. He discusses brainstorming ideas, organizing magical concepts, balancing passion with practical aspects of running a magic business. Touches on his iconic catchphrase 'oh my' and thoughts on the magic world's accessibility while preserving its mystery.

Jun 6, 2024 • 7min
The Ten Hour Rule
Limiting administrative work to 10 hours a week is key for magicians. Stop ineffective tasks, optimize effective ones with technology, and consider hiring help. Want more info? Message Jonah at magic@torontomagiccompany.com with SCALE for details

May 30, 2024 • 1h 18min
Franz Harary: Redefining Magic for the Modern Era
In this episode of “Discourse in Magic,” host Jonah Babins interviews Franz Harary, a renowned magician and illusion designer. Franz shares his magical journey, starting with a childhood magic set that sparked his interest in fooling adults and led to his passion for creating original illusions.
A journey into magic and illusion design
Franz recounts his early experiments with cardboard and duct tape, his inspiration from Doug Henning, and his innovative approach to making a car appear, which he later sold to famous magicians. He recalls a pivotal moment when, at 16, he ingeniously used perspective to make a car appear out of thin air—a method he later sold to renowned magicians like David Copperfield and Criss Angel.
Working with Michael Jackson and other artists
Franz also discusses his time working with Michael Jackson on the Victory Tour and his subsequent career as an illusion designer for various pop stars and Broadway shows. This leap of faith catapulted him into the limelight, and he quickly became known as the young kid who designs illusions for the stars.
Understanding one’s identity as an artist
Franz emphasizes the importance of understanding who you are as a magician, the message you convey, and the need to push the boundaries of magic alongside technological advancements. For Franz, his message has been about equality and empowerment, showing audiences that they too can achieve the seemingly impossible.
Pushing the art form forward
Franz encourages magicians to take risks, be unique, and continually innovate. He shares a piece of advice from Michael Jackson that has become his mantra: “Whatever you do, do it differently and better than anybody else.” This is what transforms a craftsman into an artist.
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Franz’s only ask is that you follow him on his Facebook page – here it is:
https://www.facebook.com/franzhararyfanpage/
Endless Chain
Bruce Gold
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May 23, 2024 • 13min
Seven updates for Discourse in Magic
In this episode of “Discourse in Magic,” host Jonah Babins shares the exciting news about the podcast’s return. Listeners can look forward to fresh interviews and episodes covering a wide range of topics within the magic community.
Jonah’s “Fool Us”
Jonah discusses his recent experiences, including his appearances on the television show “Fool Us.” He also encourages fellow magicians to seize the opportunity and apply to be on the show.
Free Training Resource for Magicians
A new free training resource is introduced by Jonah, designed to help magicians increase their business success. This tool is aimed at magicians looking to elevate their professional endeavors.
How to get more Reviews, Referrals, and Rebookings: https://discourseinmagic.com/double-your-referrals-reviews-and-rebookings/
Growth of a Secret Magic Convention
Jonah recounts the expansion of a secret magic convention, sharing insights into its development and what it offers to the magic community.
Consulting Work with Asi Wind
The episode delves into Jonah’s consulting work with Asi Wind, providing a glimpse into his role and contributions to the magic scene.
Lectures and Performances
Jonah talks about his extensive travels for lectures and performances. He shares his experiences and the knowledge he has gained from engaging with magicians around the world.
Mastermind Group Invitation
If you’re already at 25k per month or more in your magic business and want to scale to 6 figures and far beyond I might be able to help. Send me a message to magic@torontomagiccompany.com with the word MASTERMIND and I can walk you through what it looks like to work together and see if I can help!
THANKS for returning back, it’s been a pleasure to be back in your earlobes. Looking forward to more fun together.
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Nov 9, 2023 • 13min
Three Things I Learned During My Second Appearance On Fool Us
Jonah returns from the wild to let you know that tomorrow, November 9 2023, he and Ben Train will be appearing for the second time on Penn & Teller’s Fool Us!
In this special magic appetizer, Jonah offers up the three biggest lessons he learned on his second appearance of Fool Us and why you should apply to appear on this show or any other.
Lesson 1: Getting Back On The Show
Jonah and Ben’s second appearance on Fool Us is a very different story than the first time last year. This time they had much less time to prepare and the trick they were rehearsing was originally designed for a different show altogether. Jonah shares what he and Ben had to do to apply to Fool Us, listen to the feedback from the producers, and modify what they were pitching so they’d be accepted back.
Lesson 2: The Week Of
Jonah and Ben made a huge mistake the week of their second appearance on Fool Us. That huge mistake was attending the Magic Live convention. It’s an amazing convention but with Fool Us on their minds neither Jonah or Ben could really enjoy the convention and with the distraction of Magic Live they weren’t able to properly prepare for their appearance on Fool Us. If he had to do it again Jonah would have made sure to keep his head clear in the week leading up to Fool Us and he offers his insight on what you should do in the final days before appearing on any show
Lesson 3: The Day Of
You might recall that last year when Jonah and Ben first appeared on Fool Us they had a stressful rehearsal where the ribbon they used around the watermelon broke. Back then the producers were calm and collected, offered some advice, and the two of them were able to successfully perform in front of Penn & Teller.
This year they thought their rehearsal went really well but this time the producers approached them with a concern that the photographs they were using, which were integral to the entire trick, were using a colour that the cameras weren’t able to capture.
With only three hours until taping, Jonah and Ben had to scramble to create new pictures, get them printed, and all the other secret arts and crafts that had to be done to make the trick work.
So what should you do when everything starts to go wrong just before the cameras are rolling? Jonah shares his insight on those final moments on the day of their shoot.
This Friday!
If you want to find out if Jonah and Ben successfully fooled Penn & Teller you can watch their appearance on tomorrow’s broadcast on The CW!
Jonah will be back to recording more interviews and lessons for you in the coming months but until then if you’re thinking of applying to appear on a show like Fool Us, you should!
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Jul 13, 2023 • 1h 25min
Magic Without Props with Juan Esteban Varela
In this engaging discussion, Juan Esteban Varela, a master of prop-free magic and creator of Magic in the Dark, shares his fascinating journey from a young magic enthusiast in Chile to a professional in Madrid. He explores the essence of magic beyond visuals and the power of emotional connection. Juan reveals his innovative approach of performing in total darkness, prompting listeners to rethink how perception shapes magic. He emphasizes learning through community and mentorship while passionately advocating for the transformative potential of magic.