

A Couple of Multiples: The Reality of Living with Dissociative Identity Disorder
Drew & Garden System
There’s never a dull moment for hosts, Drew and Garden System, who are a couple that have both been diagnosed with Dissociative Identity Disorder. While they are navigating their healing journey, they continue to manage full time careers, raise four teenagers and a house full of pets. Not only do they aim to speak to people who have lived experience with DID and their supporters, but also therapists and anyone who wants to learn more. The podcast talks about Dissociative Identity Disorder in a way that someone who knows nothing about DID will be able to understand, and at the same time is designed to be a resource for therapists, while supporting and validating those with lived experience. Dissociative Identity Disorder is a highly stigmatized mental health diagnosis that has been subject to many myths and misinformation over the years. These myths, along with highly-sensationalized media portrayals, have led to many who still believe this disorder is not real and simply created by therapists who impose themselves on highly suggestible clients. The goal of the podcast is to dispel these myths and educate the world at large the truth about Dissociative Identity Disorder, and the reality of what having this diagnosis really looks like. The brain had to find a unique way to cope in order to survive the trauma people with DID faced from a very young age. Also, this condition is not rare, although many reputable sources still cite it as such. People with DID are ordinary members in your community that you might encounter in your daily life. Drew and Garden System want to shed light on the challenging symptoms people with DID face and share how they have overcome those challenges and found the gifts of joy that all of their parts bring to each other.
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Sep 30, 2025 • 54min
Supporting the Challenges of Living with Dissociative Identity Disorder
An unscripted interview: Drew & Garden System discuss supporting the challenges of living with dissociative identity disorder. Topics include disclosure, boundaries, and ideas for those who are supporting loved ones with DID.Thank you to our sponsors:Healing Selves TherapeuticsTo Life! CounselingFollow us on Instagram: @acoupleofmultiples, @note_to_selves, @seidi_gardensystem Follow us on TikTok: @seidi_gardensystem, @note_to_selves Follow us on Facebook: A Couple of Multiples - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61556823127239 Visit our website: acoupleofmultiples.com to sign up for our mailing list, join our private, on-line community Hearts Multiplied, register for peer coaching, consultations, and workshops!

Sep 16, 2025 • 1h 2min
Understanding Recovery & 12 Steps for Dissociative Identities: An Interview with Dr. Jamie+ Marich
Drew & Garden System have an illuminating conversation with Dr. Jamie+ Marich on recovery, the 12 step program, and dissociative identity disorder. They touch on important topics such as sponsors, adaptations and language, and considerations needed for recovery.Resources: https://jamiemarich.substack.com/p/does-aa-work Thank you to our sponsors:The Institute for Creative Mindfulness & Healing Selves Therapeutics!Visit acoupleofmultiples.com to learn more about our online community, consultations, and to join our mailing list to keep up to date with Drew & Garden System!Follow us on Instagram: @acoupleofmultiples, @note_to_selves, @seidi_gardensystem Follow us on TikTok: @seidi_gardensystem, @note_to_selves Follow us on Facebook: A Couple of Multiples - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61556823127239 Visit our website: acoupleofmultiples.com to sign up for our mailing list, join our private, on-line community Hearts Multiplied, register for peer coaching, consultations, and workshops!

Sep 2, 2025 • 1h 16min
Ketamine Assisted Therapy & Dissociative Identity Disorder: An Interview with Melissas Parker, LMHC
Drew & Garden System discuss all things related to ketamine-assisted psychotherapy, other psychedelics, and dissociative identity disorder with Melissas Parker, LMHC.Thank you to our sponsors: (sponsorship of this episode does not indicate an endorsement of KAP or psychedelic therapies.)Healing Selves Therapeutics - https://www.healingselvestherapeuticspllc.com/Yvonne Fall, LPC -https://www.yvonnefalllpc.com/Resources:Maps.orghttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10979792/https://www.natalierusspsyd.com/therapy-harmhttps://www.yalemedicine.org/news/ketamine-for-depressionVisit acoupleofmultiples.com to join our private, online DID community ($10 or $30/monthly memberships), schedule consultations, and join our mailing list!Follow us on Instagram: @acoupleofmultiples, @note_to_selves, @seidi_gardensystem Follow us on TikTok: @seidi_gardensystem, @note_to_selves Follow us on Facebook: A Couple of Multiples - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61556823127239 Visit our website: acoupleofmultiples.com to sign up for our mailing list, join our private, on-line community Hearts Multiplied, register for peer coaching, consultations, and workshops!

Aug 19, 2025 • 1h 12min
Queering EMDR Therapy & Understanding Dissociation in the LGBTQIA+ Community: An Interview with Rev. Karla Fleshman LCSW, MDiv
Drew & Garden System have an open-hearted discussion with Rev. Karla Fleshman on her contributions to Queering EMDR Therapy, an upcoming book edited by Roshni Chabra LMFT and with a forward by Dr. Jamie Marich. They dive into Rev. Karla's battle with cancer, spirituality, how gender identity can contribute to dissociative experiences, and how one can find healing and community.Preorder Queering EMDR Therapy here: https://queeringemdr.com/You can reach out to Rev. Karla Fleshman LCSW MDiv here: https://transitionsde.com/about-karla-fleshman-lcsw-mdiv-2/ Thank you to our sponsors:To Life! Counseling - https://tolifecounseling.com/Healing Selves Therapeutics - https://www.healingselvestherapeuticspllc.com/Visit acoupleofmultiples.com to contact us, to schedule a consult with Garden System, to join Hearts Multiplied, our on-line DID community, and join our mailing list for exclusive resources!Follow us on Instagram: @acoupleofmultiples, @note_to_selves, @seidi_gardensystem Follow us on TikTok: @seidi_gardensystem, @note_to_selves Follow us on Facebook: A Couple of Multiples - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61556823127239 Visit our website: acoupleofmultiples.com to sign up for our mailing list, join our private, on-line community Hearts Multiplied, register for peer coaching, consultations, and workshops!

Aug 5, 2025 • 1h 12min
Differential Diagnosis: Dissociative Identity Disorder: An Interview with Dr. Mike Lloyd
Drew & Garden System engage Dr. Mike Lloyd of the CTAD clinic in the UK in an educational conversation about recognizing, diagnosing, and treating dissociative identity disorder.Thank you to our episode sponsors:Healing Selves Therapeutics https://www.healingselvestherapeuticspllc.com/ & To Life! Counseling https://tolifecounseling.com/Visit our website acoupleofmultiples.com to learn more about our online community, peer coaching, and consultations! Follow us on Instagram: @acoupleofmultiples, @note_to_selves, @seidi_gardensystem Follow us on TikTok: @seidi_gardensystem, @note_to_selves Follow us on Facebook: A Couple of Multiples - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61556823127239 Visit our website: acoupleofmultiples.com to sign up for our mailing list, join our private, on-line community Hearts Multiplied, register for peer coaching, consultations, and workshops!

Jul 22, 2025 • 45min
Exploring Expressive Arts for Dissociative Disorders: An Interview with Alix Amar, LCSW
Drew and Garden System have an artistic discussion with Alix Amar, LCSW about various express arts activities and how they can be beneficial for survivors of trauma particularly those with dissociative identity disorder. Specific expressive artistic activities are explained and resources for trainings and continued exercises are provided throughout the episode.Alix Amar, LCSW, one of our sponsor's for season 4, offers a number of workshops for survivors living with a dissociative disorder. You can sign up at https://www.dissociativecreativeexplorations.com/.Thank you to our sponsors for this episode:Alix AmarInstitute for Creative MindfulnessFollow us on Instagram: @acoupleofmultiples, @note_to_selves, @seidi_gardensystem Follow us on TikTok: @seidi_gardensystem, @note_to_selves Follow us on Facebook: A Couple of Multiples - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61556823127239 Visit our website: acoupleofmultiples.com to sign up for our mailing list, join our private, on-line community Hearts Multiplied, register for peer coaching, consultations, and workshops!

Jul 8, 2025 • 1h 28min
Recovering From Eating Disorders When You Have DID: An Interview with Monika Ostroff LICSW, CEDS-S
Drew & Garden System interview Monika Ostroff LICSW, CEDS-S (creator and host of Healing My Parts Podcast) and talk about treatment for eating disorders when a client also has dissociative identity disorder. In depth topics include navigating different selves, their eating behaviors and working on internal communication. They discuss the impact of trauma on the development of eating disorders, and various myths surrounding DID and eating disorders. They also touch on the meaning of HAES and body dysmorphia experienced as a result of DID in addition to having an eating disorder.Thank you to our sponsors:To Life! CounselingInstitute for Creative MindfulnessFollow us on Instagram: @acoupleofmultiples, @note_to_selves, @seidi_gardensystem Follow us on TikTok: @seidi_gardensystem, @note_to_selves Follow us on Facebook: A Couple of Multiples - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61556823127239 Visit our website: acoupleofmultiples.com to sign up for our mailing list, join our private, on-line community Hearts Multiplied, register for peer coaching, consultations, and workshops!

Jun 24, 2025 • 1h 20min
Ritual Abuse & Dissociative Identity Disorder: An Interview with Dr. Alison Miller
Drew & Garden System have an insightful and informative conversation with Dr. Alison Miller, the author of Demystifying Mind Control & Ritual Abuse: A Manual for Therapists. Dr. Alison Miller shares important signs that therapists should be aware of when assessing for ritual abuse in their clients with DID and provides education on overcoming the programming of mind control.Thank you to our amazing sponsors:Institute for Creative MindfulnessPetals of a RoseFollow us on Instagram: @acoupleofmultiples, @note_to_selves, @seidi_gardensystem Follow us on TikTok: @seidi_gardensystem, @note_to_selves Follow us on Facebook: A Couple of Multiples - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61556823127239 Visit our website: acoupleofmultiples.com to sign up for our mailing list, join our private, on-line community Hearts Multiplied, register for peer coaching, consultations, and workshops!

Jun 10, 2025 • 1h 32min
Finding the Right Care: Inpatient Treatment For Dissociative Identity Disorder, Interview with Donna Earle LPC, CCTP
Drew & Garden System discuss in-patient/hospitalization care for people living with dissociative identity disorder with Donna Earle, LPC, CCPT. They cover important topics such as helpful tips for hospital staff, the differences between the different levels of care, and identifying potential treatment centers. Please note that the hospitals and treatment centers listed are NOT recommended or endorsed by A Couple of Multiples/Mindful Multiplicity Institute LLC. Please research facilities before admittance.Facilities mentioned include: Sierra Tucson in Arizona: https://www.sierratucson.com/ Sanctuary Centers in Santa Barbara: https://sanctuarycenters.org/ The Meadows in Wickenburg, Arizona: https://www.themeadows.com/ The Meadows in Dallas, Texas: https://meadowsoutpatient.com/locations/dallas-tx/ River Oaks in New Orleans, Louisiana: https://riveroakshospital.com/ Khiron Clinics in the UK: https://khironclinics.com/Thank you to this episode's sponsors:Healing Selves TherapeuticsTo Life! CounselingFollow us on Instagram: @acoupleofmultiples, @note_to_selves, @seidi_gardensystem Follow us on TikTok: @seidi_gardensystem, @note_to_selves Follow us on Facebook: A Couple of Multiples - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61556823127239 Visit our website: acoupleofmultiples.com to sign up for our mailing list, join our private, on-line community Hearts Multiplied, register for peer coaching, consultations, and workshops!

May 27, 2025 • 1h 1min
Using EMDR to Heal When You Have Dissociative Identity Disorder: An Interview with Amy Wagner, LMFT/LMHC
Drew & Garden System have a candid conversation with Amy Wagner, LMFT/LMHC! Amy Wagner is an EMDRIA approved consultant and they all discuss the many dos and don'ts of using EMDR when clients live with dissociative identity disorder. They discuss the eight phases, resourcing skills, and what to do when clients dissociate or switch during session. You won't want to miss this amazing discussion!Thank to our sponsors for this episode:Alix Amar with Dissociative Creative ExplorationsHealing Selves TherapeuticsAmy Wagner, is a Holistic Trauma Transformation therapist who helps people reclaim the intuitive and connected relationships in the most important parts of their lives. She is an EMDRIA Approved Consultant and Advanced EMDR Topics Trainer. She owns a boutique group trauma therapy practice in Orlando, specializing in working with clients who experience complex and developmental trauma. Amy loves to use EMDR and Expressive Arts to help clients on their healing journey.Amy lives a multi-faceted life, both internally and externally. After dropping out of college to begin a dance studio at age 19, Amy helped dancers get to their big stage for 15 years. When life pivoted, she began a real estate career as she raised her two children. A spiritual calling and her own inner healing led her back to college and then grad school to become a relationship and trauma therapist as her children went off to college. As a therapist, Amy has been transformative in helping other therapists learn to reduce stigma and embrace the healing journey of trauma transformation for their clients. Her course, Soul of Dissociation, sold out during the first two offerings. Amy is on a mission to help healers embrace collective healing by reducing the stigma of “othering”. Amy is passionate about the interplay of intergenerational trauma, peak performance and athlete mental health which she discusses in the book in progress, “Cart Path Only”.When not working, Amy travels the world with her professional golfer daughter, visits her son and daughter-in-love in VA, and spends abundant time with her family. She lives in Windermere, FL with her husband and sweet golden retriever.Follow us on Instagram: @acoupleofmultiples, @note_to_selves, @seidi_gardensystem Follow us on TikTok: @seidi_gardensystem, @note_to_selves Follow us on Facebook: A Couple of Multiples - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61556823127239 Visit our website: acoupleofmultiples.com to sign up for our mailing list, join our private, on-line community Hearts Multiplied, register for peer coaching, consultations, and workshops!