

The Money Advantage Podcast
Bruce Wehner & Rachel Marshall
Personal Finance for the Entrepreneurially-Minded!
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May 13, 2025 • 59min
Tour Our Private Family Banking System
Do you want to build a family banking system that will provide capital to you and future generations? Come see behind the scenes as we talk about our Marshall Family Bank in real-time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0buUbqGs5QQ
Today, we discuss why we added another whole life insurance policy, how our cash value is growing, and our vision for using our family banking system as the foundation to grow generational wealth.
So, if you want to see exactly how and why you can grow a family bank strategy to secure capital reserves for your family for generations to come… tune in now!
Table of contentsWhy We Use Life Insurance for Our Private Family Banking SystemIdentify Your PrioritiesSafetyLiquidityGrowthThe Evolution of Our Family BankAdding a New Policy to the Private Family Banking SystemHow a Family Banking System Works in Real LifeWhy Get a Second Life Insurance Policy?Myths & Misconceptions About Private Family BankingTake the Next StepBook A Strategy Call
Why We Use Life Insurance for Our Private Family Banking System
Whole life insurance has the benefit of being a protection asset, as well as a place to store wealth. Just like you would tuck money in the bank, so too can you store money in a specially designed whole life insurance policy. The added benefit is, as Bruce states:
[4:45] “You’re storing [money] for a reason or purpose. And if you want to try to maximize your wealth, what you really are looking for is what to do to keep that money in motion.”
Whole life insurance does a few things for your savings. It keeps your money safe in a way that banks can’t. It allows you to grow your money with interest and dividends, and it provides you with the opportunity to leverage your money. The leverage piece is important because it gives you access to capital while being able to benefit from uninterrupted compound growth.
Ultimately, we’ve chosen whole life insurance because it helps us align our money with our family’s purpose and mission.
Identify Your Priorities
With wealth-building and wealth preservation techniques, there comes a time when you must identify what is most important to you. The “big three” options are generally safety, liquidity, and growth. While you may be able to have all three components working for you, you only get to maximize two of the three. Choosing which one or two of these components you’re going to prioritize and maximize is critical.
Safety
Safety refers to how secure your money is. How much are you putting at risk? Is a lot of your money tied up in risky or volatile assets? The safety of your money may also depend on what debt you have and how well-protected your money is from creditors.
Likewise, you can make your money safer with things like umbrella and liability insurance, to protect yourself from lawsuits and other things that erode your wealth.
For safety, there’s often a cost trade-off. Insurance, for example, can protect your money from prying eyes, lawsuits, and liabilities—but it costs money. Similarly, you may feel that by not investing in riskier assets, you’re not maximizing your dollars.
Liquidity
Liquidity is how easily you can access your money. If you tie your money up in long-term investments and projects, it’s probably not very liquid. While you may not need all of your cash to be liquid, it’s important for many families to have an easy-to-access pool of money for emergencies and opportunities.
Growth
Growth is what most people think they want, which leads them to invest unwisely. Prioritizing growth has the potential to skyrocket your wealth. But depending on how you want to achieve your growth, it can be risky. And how much is growth worth if you lose it all?
Similarly, you may think it’s a good idea to invest in or acquire lots of low-risk assets. But if they aren’t liquid, how much are they adding to your quality of life?
While you may not maximize all three of the above components to wealth,

May 12, 2025 • 1h 3min
Estate Planning with Life Insurance: How to Protect Your Wealth and Prepare Your Family
Discover the crucial link between estate planning and life insurance as experts dive into strategies that go beyond mere compliance. Learn why many families overlook the true purpose of their policies and how to create a legacy that lasts. Explore the differences between whole and universal life insurance and their impact on wealth transfer. Gain insights into the importance of education in preparing heirs for inheritance and the dangers of orphan policies. This conversation reveals how to effectively protect wealth and inform future generations.

May 11, 2025 • 1h 1min
The 3 Components of Infinite Banking Policy Design: Base, PUAs, and Term
Dive into the intricacies of infinite banking policy design, focusing on the essential components like base premiums, paid-up additions, and term riders. Discover how a well-structured policy can enhance cash flow and support long-term wealth building. Listen to insights on leveraging whole life insurance as a powerful financial tool, balancing security and liquidity, and the often-overlooked relationship between banking and insurance. Uncover the importance of thoughtful funding strategies and the risks associated with less optimal policies.

May 8, 2025 • 46min
Leveraging Policy Loans in Infinite Banking: A Strategic Guide
Discover the fascinating world of Infinite Banking and how to use life insurance policy loans to become your own banker. Learn how your cash value can grow while you borrow, maximizing your financial benefits. The discussion covers the intricacies of cash value accumulation, the mechanics of policy loans, and tips for effective financial management. With real-life examples, listeners see how to leverage these strategies for investments and achieve greater financial independence. Unlock the potential of your money like never before!

May 5, 2025 • 56min
The Pros and Cons of an ILIT: Is It the Right Move for Your Legacy?
Discover the intriguing world of Irrevocable Life Insurance Trusts (ILITs) and their critical role in estate planning. Learn how failing to utilize these strategies led to cautionary tales involving high-profile figures like the St. Louis Rams owner and Prince. Explore the pros and cons of ILITs, the significance of estate tax exemption thresholds, and the intricacies of planning for high-value estates. Gain insights into effective strategies to safeguard your legacy and avoid financial pitfalls that could burden your heirs.

Apr 28, 2025 • 58min
Is Cash Value Life Insurance Enough for Retirement?
Today, Bruce and I want to unpack a question we frequently encounter: Is cash value life insurance enough for retirement? It’s a compelling question, but one without a simple yes or no answer. The effectiveness of cash value life insurance as your primary retirement vehicle heavily depends on your personal discipline, your overall financial strategy, and, importantly, your understanding of what retirement means to you.
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When I started my financial career back in the late 1980s, a presentation caught my attention. It claimed that by consistently funding a whole life insurance policy, individuals could join the "Lucky 3%"—those who felt completely secure about their retirement. This idea was captivating, promising financial freedom through disciplined saving. Yet, over the years, I discovered something crucial: consistency, discipline, and long-term thinking significantly outweigh the choice of any specific financial product.
The Retirement Dream vs. RealityIs Cash Value Life Insurance Enough for Retirement?Defining Retirement: What Does It Really Mean?The Importance of Consistent Savings and DisciplineWhole Life vs. VUL and IUL: Stability and GuaranteesThe Myth of "Zero is Your Hero" in Indexed Universal Life (IUL)Cash Value Life Insurance as Part of a Comprehensive Retirement PlanThe Infinite Banking AdvantageCan You Rely Solely on Cash Value Life Insurance?Book A Strategy Call
The Retirement Dream vs. Reality
By the end of this article, you will clearly understand whether cash value life insurance—such as whole life, variable universal life (VUL), or indexed universal life (IUL)—can sufficiently fund your retirement. We'll explore the advantages and drawbacks of using life insurance as your main retirement tool, emphasize the critical importance of consistent saving, and outline how to effectively integrate life insurance into a comprehensive retirement plan for optimal security and growth.
Furthermore, you’ll understand why no single financial instrument is perfect for everyone, and why a diversified, well-balanced retirement strategy that includes guaranteed income, buffer assets, and growth-oriented investments can lead to lasting financial security and peace of mind.
Is Cash Value Life Insurance Enough for Retirement?
Defining Retirement: What Does It Really Mean?
Many of us grow up envisioning retirement as a milestone where we stop working at age 65 and comfortably live off our accumulated savings. However, this traditional model presents significant challenges. The reality is that you're often expecting 40 years of work to fund potentially 30 or more years of retirement, especially as life expectancy increases.
Rather than viewing retirement as an abrupt halt to working life, a more sustainable approach is to see retirement as a transition to financial independence. Instead of merely accumulating savings, focus on acquiring cash-flowing assets, such as rental properties, dividend-producing stocks, or profitable businesses, which can continuously generate income regardless of market fluctuations.
The Importance of Consistent Savings and Discipline
Bruce emphasizes that consistent saving and disciplined behavior are the foundation of successful retirement planning. Unfortunately, many people fall short in their savings efforts early in life, later attempting to compensate by chasing higher-risk investments for potentially greater returns. This strategy often introduces unnecessary risk precisely when financial security is most critical.
Establishing disciplined savings habits early and maintaining them throughout your career is far more important than selecting the "perfect" financial product. Time and consistency enable compound growth, providing greater financial security in your retirement years than riskier, late-stage investments ever could.
Whole Life vs. VUL and IUL: Stability and Guarantees

Apr 21, 2025 • 1h 10min
How Tariffs Impact Your Wallet (And Why It Matters More Than You Think)
If you've ever tried leading a Zoom call while your screen goes black mid-sentence, you know the feeling of being out of control. That’s how many of us feel about our finances right now—like we're one loose cable away from a crash. But here's the truth: financial control is closer than you think. And in today’s global economy, understanding how tariffs impact your wallet is one of the most important steps you can take toward that control.
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Tariffs aren't just political decisions or international trade policy. They’re reflections of how governments try to create balance—or power—in global commerce. But more importantly, they create real ripple effects that reach your dinner table, your savings account, your job, and your family’s financial future. This blog unpacks what’s often misunderstood and overly politicized: how tariffs actually impact you, and what you can do about it.
Loose Cords and Loose MarketsWhy Tariffs Are a Bigger Deal Than You RealizeWhat Is a Tariff, Really?The Global Game: Who's Tariffing Whom?How Tariffs Impact Your Wallet: The Ripple Effect on Main StreetWhy Infinite Banking Matters More Than EverAddiction to Consumption: The Root ProblemCapital is King: The Real Asset You NeedWhat This Means for YouGo DeeperBook A Strategy Call
Loose Cords and Loose Markets
I (Rachel) kicked off our latest podcast battling a finicky laptop cord, and Bruce teased me about Lucas not fixing it for years. It was a funny moment, but it carried deeper meaning. Because isn’t that how most people treat their finances? Wiggling a connection, hoping the lights come back on, but never really fixing the root issue.
That feeling of financial "blinking out" is more common than you think—especially when tariffs and stock markets are headlining the news. You hear phrases like "trade war," "GDP contraction," or "market instability," and panic starts to creep in. But that’s why Bruce, Joe, and I sat down—to pull back the curtain and bring clarity to the chaos.
Why Tariffs Are a Bigger Deal Than You Realize
Tariffs aren’t just a headline. They directly affect your cost of living, your investment portfolio, the strength of the business you work for, and even the longevity of your retirement plan. It’s all connected.
We broke down what tariffs really are, why they’re used, and how to navigate them strategically so you can:
Stay calm in market turbulence
Make empowered financial decisions with real data
Build real, generational stability that transcends market noise
If you're wondering how tariffs impact your wallet, you're not alone. You're also not powerless. Understanding is the first step to taking action.
What Is a Tariff, Really?
Joe reminded us that tariffs are nothing new. They’re simply taxes imposed on imported goods. Historically, they funded the U.S. government before income taxes ever existed. That’s how essential they once were.
There are three main types:
Per-unit tariffs
Percentage-based tariffs
Compound tariffs
They can seem like just a cost. But the intent, often, is to level the playing field when other countries use low-wage labor, environmental shortcuts, or subsidies to artificially drive down their prices. Tariffs raise the cost of those goods to reflect what they would cost if they were made under more equal conditions.
So when people ask, "Why pay more?" the better question might be: "What are you supporting when you choose cheap?"
The Global Game: Who's Tariffing Whom?
The global playing field isn’t level. Most countries impose heavy tariffs on U.S. exports, while the U.S. has traditionally kept the door open wide.
For instance, Australia sold $29 billion in beef to the U.S., but the U.S. sold zero to Australia due to their sky-high tariffs. Our market welcomes their goods, but they protect theirs from ours. That creates a one-way street—and it impacts more than foreign relations. It hits U.S.

Apr 14, 2025 • 31min
Is Infinite Banking Tax-Free? The Truth You Need to Know
If you’ve been researching Infinite Banking, you’ve probably heard it described as "tax-free." That phrase is thrown around a lot, and while it sounds great, it’s not entirely accurate. The reality is a bit more nuanced, and understanding the details can make a massive difference in how you leverage Infinite Banking for long-term wealth building. Is Infinite Banking tax-free? Not exactly. But it is incredibly tax-advantaged.
Tax implications can have a significant impact on financial strategies, and one of the biggest myths in the Infinite Banking space is that it's completely tax-free. While Infinite Banking does provide incredible tax advantages, there are specific rules you must follow to maintain those benefits. Failing to do so could create unnecessary tax liabilities, and that’s what we want to help you avoid.
In today’s conversation, Bruce and I want to clear up some common misconceptions and ensure that you’re not just chasing tax savings at the expense of a sound financial strategy. Let’s dive into the truth behind the tax advantages of whole life insurance and how to use them correctly.
The Tax-Free Myth & the Road to Financial ClarityIs Infinite Banking Tax-Free?Infinite Banking Is a Concept, Not a ProductWhole Life Insurance Is Tax-Advantaged, Not Tax-FreeThe Modified Endowment Contract (MEC) RuleChasing Tax Benefits Can Lead to Bad Financial DecisionsThe Right Way to Use Infinite Banking for Maximum BenefitKey TakeawaysBook A Strategy Call
The Tax-Free Myth & the Road to Financial Clarity
Infinite Banking is a powerful strategy for taking control of your finances, but misinformation can lead people down the wrong path. Today, we’re going to break down the key components of how taxation works within Infinite Banking, the rules you need to follow, and why chasing tax benefits alone is not the best financial decision. By the end, you’ll understand how to structure your policy correctly to maximize its benefits without falling into common pitfalls.
Additionally, we’ll explore why taxation should not be the sole focus when implementing Infinite Banking. Tax strategies should always serve a greater financial goal, such as maintaining liquidity, optimizing cash flow, and ensuring long-term financial stability. If you prioritize tax benefits over the overall structure of your wealth plan, you could end up making suboptimal choices that limit your financial freedom.
Is Infinite Banking Tax-Free?
Infinite Banking Is a Concept, Not a Product
First, let’s clear up a critical misunderstanding: Infinite Banking is not a financial product. It’s a process for controlling your cash flow using a properly designed whole life insurance policy.
The confusion often arises because people equate the strategy of Infinite Banking with the tax treatment of whole life insurance. But the Infinite Banking Concept (IBC) itself does not have a tax status—it’s just a method of managing your money. The tax advantages come from the underlying financial tool: a specially designed whole life insurance policy with a mutual company.
Understanding the distinction between process and product is crucial. The Infinite Banking process allows you to take control of the banking function in your financial life, reducing dependence on traditional financial institutions. This process remains valid regardless of tax treatment. However, the product used to execute this process—whole life insurance—has specific tax advantages, which we will discuss next.
Whole Life Insurance Is Tax-Advantaged, Not Tax-Free
A properly structured whole life insurance policy has three major tax advantages:
Tax-Deferred Growth – Your cash value accumulates without immediate taxation, meaning you’re not taxed on the growth each year.
Tax-Free Loans – When you borrow against your policy, it’s not considered taxable income because it’s a loan, not a withdrawal.
Income Tax-Free Death Benefit – The death benefit is paid to your benefic...

Apr 7, 2025 • 54min
Nelson Nash Institute Think Tank 2025 Recap
Imagine sitting in a room full of financial professionals, entrepreneurs, and thought leaders, all gathered with a shared mission—to gain clarity, deepen understanding, and refine strategies for implementing Infinite Banking. That’s exactly what happened at the Nelson Nash Institute Think Tank 2025, and today, we’re sharing the most impactful takeaways with you.
https://www.youtube.com/live/qTqZo7AvS88
Bruce and Becca just got back from this annual gathering, where the best minds in Infinite Banking come together to ensure that Nelson Nash’s legacy remains strong and relevant. I (Rachel) wasn’t able to attend in person this year, but listening to their insights and stories makes me even more eager to go in the future. If you’ve ever wondered how to simplify the Infinite Banking Concept (IBC) and use it effectively in today’s financial climate, you’ll want to read on.
What is the Nelson Nash Institute Think Tank? And Why Does It Matter?1. Do Simple Better2. Think Long Range and Don’t Be Afraid to Capitalize3. Don’t Do Business with Banks4. Differentiate Between the Process and the Product5. The Role of Whole Life Insurance vs. IUL (Indexed Universal Life)Take Control of Your Financial FutureBook A Strategy Call
What is the Nelson Nash Institute Think Tank? And Why Does It Matter?
If you’re not familiar, the Think Tank is an annual conference hosted by the Nelson Nash Institute (NNI). It’s designed for authorized practitioners, students of Infinite Banking, and selected clients who want to understand the deeper nuances of IBC. It’s not just a networking event—it’s a mastermind of like-minded individuals dedicated to financial autonomy.
Nelson Nash started this event over 20 years ago as a way to keep the message pure—to prevent the Infinite Banking Concept from being diluted or sensationalized. Unfortunately, we see confusion in the marketplace today, with different variations of Infinite Banking being promoted under flashy names like “accelerated banking” or “infinite wealth systems.” The Think Tank exists to bring clarity and help authorized practitioners share the true power of Infinite Banking with their clients.
Here’s what we learned this year:
1. Do Simple Better
One of the key messages from this year’s Think Tank was keeping the concept simple. Too often, people overcomplicate Infinite Banking, adding unnecessary complexity that confuses clients.
One common example? The language we use.
Bruce pointed out a pet peeve of his—calling policy premiums “deposits.” Some advisors use this terminology because they think clients will shut down if they hear the word “premium.” But this causes confusion. A premium is not a bank deposit. It’s a strategic payment into a life insurance policy that provides long-term benefits. When we use clear, honest language, we empower people to make informed decisions.
The key takeaway: Clarity leads to confidence. If you want to succeed with Infinite Banking, simplify the process, use the right terminology, and avoid unnecessary complexity.
2. Think Long Range and Don’t Be Afraid to Capitalize
One of the biggest mistakes people make with Infinite Banking is short-term thinking. Nelson Nash emphasized the importance of capitalization—funding your policy properly so you can reap the benefits later.
At the Think Tank, Bruce and Becca discussed the trend of minimizing base premiums to maximize early cash value. While this might seem attractive at first, it contradicts the foundational principles of IBC. A well-funded policy—one with an appropriate base premium—is what creates sustainable, long-term growth.
Becca shared a powerful insight: “Your behavior matters more than the product.” The Infinite Banking Concept isn’t just about whole life insurance—it’s about how you use it. If you’re not willing to think long-term and capitalize your system, you won’t see the full benefits.
3. Don’t Do Business with Banks

Mar 31, 2025 • 56min
Building an Exceptional Life
What does it take to build a life of true success? Not just financial wealth, but success in all areas—business, family, health, faith, and relationships? If you've ever felt like you're hitting a ceiling in one or more areas of your life, this is for you.
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In a recent episode of The Money Advantage Podcast, Bruce and I had the privilege of speaking with Chaz Wolfe, a serial entrepreneur and founder of Gathering the Kings. Chaz isn’t just about building businesses—he’s about building an exceptional life, where success isn’t limited to financial growth but extends to every dimension of life. And today, we’re sharing the most powerful takeaways from that conversation to help you do the same.
Who is Chaz WolfeThe Key to Sustainable Success: Winning in All AreasThe Difference Between a Business Owner and an EntrepreneurObsession, Drive, and the Relentless Pursuit of MoreFear vs. Freedom: The Mindset Shift You Need to SucceedScaling Success: The Power of People, Relationships, and StrategyRaising the Next Generation of LeadersTake Action: Building an Exceptional LifeBook A Strategy Call
Who is Chaz Wolfe
Chaz Wolfe has built, purchased & sold multiple 7-figure ventures in franchising, home service, real estate, and consulting. He's an operations & process maximizer and an award-winning sales and business mind. As a dynamic leader, facilitator & speaker, he has helped both domestic and international organizations achieve massive levels of growth in all areas of life!
The Key to Sustainable Success: Winning in All Areas
Chaz made a powerful statement early in our conversation: Winning is not about being perfect, it’s about pushing for the next level. Many entrepreneurs focus entirely on their business, often at the expense of their health, marriage, or personal fulfillment. But what if the key to true wealth isn’t just in making more money, but in building an exceptional life?
He introduced the concept of the “Dimensions of Kingship,” where winning in business is just one piece of the puzzle. True success means firing on all cylinders—faith, finances, business, marriage, health, and lifestyle.
The Difference Between a Business Owner and an Entrepreneur
Bruce raised a crucial point: Many people start businesses because they want to escape a traditional job, but they don’t necessarily become entrepreneurs. Instead, they end up owning a job rather than building a scalable business.
The difference? Entrepreneurs continuously innovate. They don’t just work in their business—they work on it, constantly refining their offerings, improving systems, and creating freedom for themselves and their teams. If you feel stuck in your business, it may be time to ask yourself: Am I building a true enterprise, or am I just working for myself?
Obsession, Drive, and the Relentless Pursuit of More
One of the standout moments of our conversation was when Chaz spoke about obsession. Entrepreneurs aren’t just people who want to make money; they’re people who need to build, create, and achieve more. It’s not about being discontent—it’s about being grateful but not done.
That drive is what separates those who thrive from those who stagnate. Successful people don’t settle. They push for the next level, not just in business, but in their relationships, personal growth, and impact on the world. And that mindset shift—of always aiming for the next level—can be the most powerful catalyst for growth.
Fear vs. Freedom: The Mindset Shift You Need to Succeed
Fear is one of the biggest barriers to success. It keeps people from taking risks, investing in themselves, and making bold moves in business and life. But here’s the truth: The most successful entrepreneurs aren’t fearless—they just act in spite of their fear.
Bruce made an incredible point: Our financial industry has conditioned people to believe in a finite endpoint—retirement.