Untangled Faith

Amy Fritz and Melissa J. Hogan dissect the Ramsey Solutions "Got Your Six" team meeting that was held in May of 2019 soon after Amy's husband, Nathan, resigned. Patreon Membership Community. Full Audio of the Got Your Six Meeting Perry Noble Fired. Mark Driscoll fired from Mars Hill. Bill Hybels fired from Willow Creek. Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Instagram: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Website: Untangled Faith Transcript Support the show (https://buymeacoffee.com/untangledfaith)

Nathan and Amy talk about what happened when Amy's friend suddenly stopped communicating with anyone and how Amy's determination to make sure her friend was okay led her to stumbling across information that led to the end of Nathan's employment at Ramsey Solutions. Links: Statements from Melissa J. Hogan Blog post about Nathan's exit from Ramsey Our Story of Leaving Ramsey Solutions Patreon Membership Community. Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Instagram: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Website: Untangled Faith Support the show (https://buymeacoffee.com/untangledfaith)

Amy and Nathan Fritz share part 2 of their experience with the Ramsey Solutions Organization. In this episode they talk about: Differences in accepting the culture between spouses who marry in to the company as opposed to those who were already married when their spouse was hired. The Daily Beast article/Twittergate. The time Amy thought she was going to get Nathan fired by leaving a comment on a blog post. Jon Acuff's resignation. The Ramsey Christmas Party. What happened when they lost the Best Place to Work contest. Patreon Membership Community. Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Instagram: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Website: Untangled Faith Support the show (https://buymeacoffee.com/untangledfaith)

Amy Fritz shares part 1 of the story of their family's experience with Ramsey Solutions, Dave Ramsey's Company. Article Amy went on the record for in January 2021. Ramsey Solutions Interview Process. Entreleadership book. Patreon Membership Community. Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Instagram: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Website: Untangled Faith Support the show (https://buymeacoffee.com/untangledfaith)

Dr. Wade Mullen joins Amy for the second part of their conversation about impression management in Christian institutions. They talk about the cost of being a bystander who chooses to speak, Mullen's hope for the future, and Mullen does an analysis of the Ramsey Solutions response to a request for comment on an article they were planning to run. You can find the Religion News Service Article here. The Ramsey Solutions response is here. Links: Wade Mullen's website. Mullen's dissertation. Wade on Twitter. Wade's book, Something's Not Right: Decoding the Hidden Tactics of Abuse and Freeing Yourself from its Power. The Presentation of Self in Everyday Life Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Instagram: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Website: Untangled Faith Support the show (https://buymeacoffee.com/untangledfaith)

Author, speaker, and professor, Dr. Wade Mullen, joins Amy Fritz for a conversation about impression management. In 2018, Mullen earned a PhD in leadership and did his dissertation on how evangelical organizations use impression management strategies in the wake of an image-threatening event. He specifically focused on Mars Hill Church, Sovereign Grace Ministries (now Sovereign Grace Churches), and Bob Jones University for his dissertation. In this episode Mullen shares the red flags of organizations using impression management in an abusive way, why it's so hard for leaders/organizations to apologize, and the role of a bystander. Links: Wade Mullen's website. Mullen's dissertation. Wade on Twitter. Wade's book, Something's Not Right: Decoding the Hidden Tactics of Abuse and Freeing Yourself from its Power. The Presentation of Self in Everyday Life Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Instagram: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Website: Untangled Faith Support the show (https://buymeacoffee.com/untangledfaith)

This episode is part 2 of the conversation that Amy Fritz and Melissa Hogan started in the previous episode. Amy shares more of what she was seeing in Ramsey Solutions that felt very similar to news of scandal with other Christian ministries and leaders. In this conversation Melissa and Amy talk about over two dozen resources they found helpful in recognizing and processing abusive and/or unhealthy organizations, understanding the hurdles whistle-blowers have to telling the truth, and the voices that gave them courage to speak up. You can find the full list of resources at the podcast website: Untangled Faith Podcast Links: Boz Tchividjian, Abuse Survivor Advocate/Attorney Julie Roys Diane Langberg: Narcissism and the System it Breeds Afraid of the Doctor Melissa J. Hogan, her story Melissa J. Hogan on Twitter Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Instagram: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Website: Untangled Faith Support the show (https://buymeacoffee.com/untangledfaith) Support the show (https://buymeacoffee.com/untangledfaith)

Amy Fritz is joined by Melissa J. Hogan for a conversation about how they realized they were connected to an unhealthy organization. Melissa is an author of the upcoming book Afraid of the Doctor. She's also a lawyer, rare disease awareness advocate, and she consults on clinical trial design and patient outcome measures. In other words, she's brilliant. Amy and Melissa met when Melissa's husband at the time, and Nathan, Amy's husband, were working at Ramsey Solutions. In this episode they talk about how the events happening in the Evangelical world in 2018 and 2019, along with different strategic resources, helped to open their eyes red flags in the organization. Links: The Way of the Dragon of the Way of the Lamb PhD dissertation from Wade Mullen Bill Hybels abuse report James MacDonald reporting by Julie Roys Rachael Denhollander speaks up about abuse at Sovereign Grace Boz Tchividjian, Abuse Survivor Advocate/Attorney Julie Roys Diane Langberg: Narcissism and the System it Breeds The Body Keeps the Score Afraid of the Doctor Steve Hassan, cult expert Melissa J. Hogan Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Instagram: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Website: Untangled Faith Support the show (https://buymeacoffee.com/untangledfaith)

Dr. Scot McKnight and Laura Barringer join Amy to talk about how Laura encouraged Scot to use his platform to speak up for the women who had been abused by Bill Hybels and how they later wrote a book together to advocate for healthier church communities Subscribe to my newsletter: https://untangledfaith.substack.com   In this episode Bill Hybels scandal What lead Scot and Laura to write a Church Called Tov Advice for ministry leaders Culture change dynamics Wounded Resisters The cost of speaking up A church that is doing it right   Featured Guest Dr. Scot McKnight and Laura Barringer   Resources mentioned This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled A Church Called Tov: Forming a Goodness Culture That Resists Abuses of Power and Promotes Healing. https://amzn.to/4j79Dtm New York Times Bill Hybels article: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/05/us/bill-hybels-willow-creek-pat-baranowski.html?unlocked_article_code=1.nE4.ShTC.5BNAC4fNGhwv&smid=url-share   Tell Your Friends! If you loved this episode, leave us a review on your favorite podcast app and share it with a friend. Tag us if you share it on social media.   Follow Untangled Faith wherever you listen to podcasts Follow on Apple podcasts Subscribe on YouTube Follow on Spotify Follow on Podcast Addict   Want to share your thoughts with us or talk about partnering with the show? Email: amy@untangledfaithpodcast.com Follow me on Instagram Follow me on Threads Follow me on BlueSky

On Episode 2 of the Untangled Faith Podcast, Dr. Gary David Stratton joins Amy Fritz to discuss pastoral plagiarism. Mary DeMuth joins us again to talk about what healing looks like on the other side of spiritual abuse, and we hear the second part of Colleen's story of what happened after discovering that her pastor had plagiarized hundreds of sermons. Links: Episode 1: Recognizing Spiritual Abuse and Part 1 of Colleen's Story Honesty Matters: The Problem of Pastoral Plagiarism Ask Bob: What should I do about a pastor who is plagiarizing sermons? Gary Stratton Mary DeMuth We Too: How The Church can Respond Redemptively to the Sexual Abuse Crisis. Wade Mullen CH Spurgeon Lectures to my Students Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Instagram: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Website: Untangled Faith Support the show (https://buymeacoffee.com/untangledfaith)