

Beyond Sunday Worship Leader Podcast
David Santistevan: Worship Leader, Blogger, Teacher
David Santistevan from the popular davidsantistevan.com blog dives into the heart of worship leading, worship ministry, songwriting, and making disciples. Discover how you can take your worship leadership to the next level through practical teaching, expert interviews, and the latest resources for worship leaders. From developing a discipleship strategy, engaging your congregation, writing your own songs, leading your best worship, and so much more, this podcast will help you become the worship leader you are called to be.
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Nov 6, 2024 • 1h 8min
#336: Sam McCabe on The Worship Industry, Finding Your Own Voice, & Our Worship Song Diet
Topics Covered:
Critical thinking over a critical spirit
Sam’s church story of leading worship in various denominations
The importance of childlike faith
How to avoid the trap of copying the songs and styles of a few movements
Finding your own voice
Worship industry problems
Singing God-centered songs
Stadium worship tours and worship nights
Resources Mentioned:
Show Sponsor: Planning Center
The Death of Death by Sam McCabe
Show Sponsor:
My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.
It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.
First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.
In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.
So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.
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Oct 30, 2024 • 1h 6min
#335: Andrew Holt on The Belonging Co, Leading a Worship Ministry, & Encounter Over Entertainment
Topics Covered:
How Andrew got connected to The Belonging
What it’s like to be the worship pastor at a church with so much talent
Building a healthy volunteer culture
God-centered worship songs
Why you shouldn’t do too much ministry on your own
How The Belonging Co runs their click & tracks
The founding of Out With the Old
Resources Mentioned:
Son of Man by The Belonging Co
The Belonging Co
Out With the Old (Andrew’s clothing company he co-founded)
Show Sponsor:
My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.
It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.
First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.
In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.
So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.
The post #335: Andrew Holt on The Belonging Co, Leading a Worship Ministry, & Encounter Over Entertainment appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Oct 21, 2024 • 1h 8min
#334: Elias Dummer on Humanizing The Conversation Around Worship Leading, Anointing, & The Worship Industry
Topics Covered:
Why emotional manipulation in music is normal and not the real problem
The problem with our language around “anointing”
Money making and the worship industry – is this a problem?
Humanizing the conversation around worship and the worship industry
Resources Mentioned:
Show Sponsor: Planning Center
Elias Dummer
@eliasdummer
Worship Leader Research
Show Sponsor:
My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.
It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.
First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.
In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.
So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.
The post #334: Elias Dummer on Humanizing The Conversation Around Worship Leading, Anointing, & The Worship Industry appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Oct 2, 2024 • 1h 12min
#333: Charlie Peacock on Songwriting, Music Production Tricks, Church Music, & The Intersection of Faith & Art
Topics Covered:
Charlie’s theological journey
Being an autodidact (self learner) and what they meant for Charlie’s career
The genetics of music and what Charlie learned from the musicianship of his Father
The magic of songwriting
Why writer’s block is a myth
Why the worship industry carries potential for problems
The potential problem with celebrity worship leaders
Why we should stop evaluating success by “what’s working.”
How Charlie discovered Switchfoot and his favorite song he produced (48:00)
Resources Mentioned:
Show Sponsor: Planning Center
Every Kind of Uh Oh by Charlie Peacock
Why Everything that Doesn’t Matter, Matters So Much by Charlie Peacock & Andi Ashworth
Show Sponsor:
My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.
It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.
First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.
In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.
So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.
The post #333: Charlie Peacock on Songwriting, Music Production Tricks, Church Music, & The Intersection of Faith & Art appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Sep 25, 2024 • 1h 3min
#332: Andy Squyres on Writing, Celebrity Worship, & The Idol of Excellence
Topics Covered:
Marriage advice
How Andy developed his skill as a writer
Why celebrity-driven worship is becoming exhuasting
The idol of excellence
Progress on Andy’s upcoming new record
Resources Mentioned:
Show Sponsor: Planning Center
Andy Squyres
Poet Priest by Andy Squyres
Death Defying Joy by Andy Squyres
@andysquyres
City in the Trees by Micah Dalton
Show Sponsor:
My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.
It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.
First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.
In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.
So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.
The post #332: Andy Squyres on Writing, Celebrity Worship, & The Idol of Excellence appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Sep 12, 2024 • 57min
#331: Bob Kauflin on Theology for Worship Teams, Production Decisions, & Top Worship Leader Competencies
Topics Covered:
How our union with Christ affects Sunday worship
The rise of liturgy and what it means for churches
Reflections on writing Worship Matters (16 years ago!)
Creating a technical grid for our Sunday production
Top competencies/qualities of an effective Worship Pastor
Resources Mentioned:
Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage
Show Sponsor: Planning Center
Knowing God by Sovereign Grace Music
Knowing God by J.I. Packer
Engaging With God: A Biblical Theology of Worship by David Peterson
Worship: Adoration & Action by DA Carson
Music Through the Eyes of Faith by Harold Best
Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community)
The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!
Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.
For $49/month, here’s what’s included:
Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.
No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!
Show Sponsor #2:
My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.
It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.
First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.
In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.
So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.
The post #331: Bob Kauflin on Theology for Worship Teams, Production Decisions, & Top Worship Leader Competencies appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Sep 2, 2024 • 1h 13min
#330: Mike Donehey on God’s Will vs God’s Call, Worship Leading, Altar Calls, & The Return of Tenth Avenue North
Topics Covered:
What God’s will is for you
The difference between the will of God and the call of God
How to discern the call of God on your life
How do deal with fame
The problem with altar calls
Why the term “Worship Leader” is inadequate
Resources Mentioned:
Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage
Show Sponsor: Planning Center
Tenth Avenue North
Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community)
The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!
Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.
For $49/month, here’s what’s included:
Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.
No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!
Show Sponsor #2:
My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.
It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.
First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.
In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.
So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.
The post #330: Mike Donehey on God’s Will vs God’s Call, Worship Leading, Altar Calls, & The Return of Tenth Avenue North appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Aug 27, 2024 • 45min
#329: Alexandra Osteen on Lakewood Music, Worship at Lakewood Church, & Leading Teams
Topics Covered:
How Alexandra got started in worship ministry
What it’s like being the daughter of Joel Osteen
How Lakewood approaches Sunday morning
Why Lakewood uses a hymn every Sunday
Stories behind the new album, Oh How Worthy
Resources Mentioned:
Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage
Show Sponsor: Planning Center
Oh How Worthy by Lakewood Music
Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community)
The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!
Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.
For $49/month, here’s what’s included:
Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.
No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!
Show Sponsor #2:
My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.
It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.
First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.
In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.
So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.
The post #329: Alexandra Osteen on Lakewood Music, Worship at Lakewood Church, & Leading Teams appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Aug 20, 2024 • 47min
#328: Kory Miller on Pursuing His Presence, Leading Spontaneous Worship, & God Centered Gatherings
Topics Covered:
LOTR fandom
What needs to change in local church worship
Dealing with disappointment
Hebrew words for praise
What it takes to be a strong MD
The value of spontaneous worship and how to read the room
Resources Mentioned
Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage
Show Sponsor: Planning Center
All to Bless You by Kory Miller
Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community)
The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!
Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.
For $49/month, here’s what’s included:
Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.
No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!
Show Sponsor #2:
My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.
It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.
First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.
In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.
So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.
The post #328: Kory Miller on Pursuing His Presence, Leading Spontaneous Worship, & God Centered Gatherings appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Aug 12, 2024 • 1h 3min
#327: Dr. Constance Cherry on Worship Ministry Over the Decades, The Worship Architect, & A Call to Christ-Centered Worship
Topics Covered:
Dr. Cherry’s call into ministry
Full time worship ministry in the 70s and 80s
The us vs them/either/or mentality of worship ministry still prevalent
A call to return to Christ centered worship
The story behind the book The Worship Architect
Resources Mentioned:
Lester Ruth & Lim Swee Hong Lim on The History of Contemporary Praise & Worship
The Worship Architect by Constance Cherry
Worship, Community, & The Triune God of Grace by James Torrance
The God We Worship: An Exploration of Liturgical Theology by Nicholas Wolterstorff
Ancient Future Worship by Robert Webber
Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community)
The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!
Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.
For $49/month, here’s what’s included:
Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.
No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!
Show Sponsor #2:
My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.
It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.
First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.
In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.
So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.
The post #327: Dr. Constance Cherry on Worship Ministry Over the Decades, The Worship Architect, & A Call to Christ-Centered Worship appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.