Welcome back, everyone. I’m working hard to make each episode very informative and get great guests that bring something unique to the table. I go for quality over quantity. I love having guests with new messages and insights that we haven’t heard before, and Dr. Tro is one of these great sources of information. People have been requesting a weight loss journey - someone who’s actually lost a ton of weight themselves. Not only did Dr. Tro lose 150 pounds, but he’s a… you guessed it… doctor. He helps people figure out how to transform their body and health on a daily basis. This is real world application here, people.   There’s so many sides to this stuff and the psychology behind eating (and more importantly overeating) is huge. He knows a lot about what it means to be obese and make these changes and make them last. He was 350 pounds 3 years ago and has kept off the weight despite the usual statistics of 97% of people just putting it back on. This was no easy feat and if you haven’t seen a photo of him, he’s actually pretty ripped.   We start off with some social media controversy about a post I made that rubbed some people with food addiction the wrong way. The episode is about so much more than that, so keep listening and I think there’s huge value for anyone and everyone in this episode.   Once again, I have to talk about the Food Lies film Indiegogo campaign. Basically all podcasts have sponsors to pay the bills. My film is this sponsor. I’ve turned down other sponsors and could be making quite a bit based on the expanding audience of the show. I’d really rather not do this so please support the film if you’re enjoying the podcast and the lack of annoying ads. This film is my baby and I’ve spent an immeasurable amount of my time and own money on it. I know it will all be worth it when it’s completed, so please help me get there. Go to FoodLies.org to click through to the Indiegogo campaign or click on the link in the show notes. Thanks so much and here’s Dr. Tro.   http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post   Show Notes I made a remark on social media that was supposed to be motivational and ended up backfiring Food addiction is something Dr. Tro knows a lot about Controversial topic - Dr. Robert Lustig has a book on it http://www.robertlustig.com/hacking/ Is you buy and eat the correct food you shouldn’t be hungry all the time I have my own food addiction - once I start eating I can’t stop His wife had to hide food from him He didn’t know why his appetite was so messed up I wrote the post under the context of it being inspirational and that people who follow my accounts would understand what I’m talking about and what foods they should be eating He thought he was “meant” to be obese. That it was his genetics. His family was all overweight This was reinforced in medical school where they taught him that it was genetic 75% of patients he sees for weight issues have a history of childhood trauma People don’t even realize how much they’re eating If you’re eating processed foods stuffed with carbs and sugar it’s basically impossible to be full Even nutritionists and doctors don’t know how much they really eat - when asked they are off by 20% Satiety is the most important thing we need to be talking about - some people don’t even realize different foods provide different satiety Liquid calories are enemy #1 Layne Norton and bodybuilders are way different than the normal person Counting calories doesn’t work - we have calories listed everywhere for decades, we have My Fitness Pal, it's plainly obvious it doesn't work Our bodies don’t have a calorie receptor to know how much we have eaten or need to eat When glycemia shifts (blood sugar up then down) you're going to be hungry He levels out their blood sugar with a LCHF diet. Can do it whole foods plant based if the patient has that personal preference Low fat approach not good in long term because it knocks down hormones like CCK and neuropeptide YY Once you’re fat adapted you're not beholden to food for energy A lot of hunger is just mental at this point - you have hundreds of thousands of calories of fat stored on your body you can use Cortisol makes you hungry and your blood sugar to swing Part of helping people to lose weight is coaching them on what to do in times of stress He advises people to just eat protein and fat if they’re hungry in the early stages - they can build up to being more strict later. They also will be full for hours after eating the right foods. Anything to avoid the donut He can eat 3 pounds of meat at once - overeat his satiety signaling Hyper palatability comes when you add sugar + fat Formerly or currently obese have large stomach volumes and need more tools to not overeat and be full He doesn't recommend a lot of vegetables and fiber but it has its place to fill the stomach from a volume perspective He didn’t know this before. None of the other doctors or nutritionists around him knew it either We’ve all been given useless and bogus advice on weight loss for the past 50 years There’s not only 1 way to do things If one of his obese binge eating patients gets told by a conventional dietician to eat a portion-controlled low-fat diet it's a setup for complete failure He’s totally against myplate.gov - conventional advice didn’t help him and won’t help anyone that comes to see him On all conventional diets: “instead of telling people how to be full, they’re telling people how to be hungry” He puts his health program online for anyone to see and has virtual visits and programs http://doctortro.com He’s also opening a brick and mortar clinic in New York Many people claim to not like beef - I think it’s because of all the propaganda against it all these years. They think it’s bad for them deep down and can’t get over it People also say they don’t feel well on a low carb diet - they probably just aren't fat adapted yet. The keto flu can be bad Just because fat is good doesn't mean you can eat unlimited amounts of it Reasons for stalls: carb creep, fat creep, or alcohol Need to learn to cook in a framework One reason carnivore probably works is through restricting foods. If you restrict anything people tend to eat 25% less His story of losing 150 pounds without exercising much and then training for a 5k with barely any carbs Layne Norton is talking about pop tarts and bro scientists are talking about how you have to have carbs for your brain or for energy Dr. Tro went from the worst at 99th percentile to the top 1% percentile in the 5K without any carbs He was fasting 20+ hours per day for the last 6 months and his bench, squat, and deadlift all went up 99.5% of athletes don’t need carbohydrates. Maybe if you’re a professional and elite athlete they could help Had Luis Villasenor on season 2 who is a giant muscular guy and doesn't eat carbs Dr. Tro went to the science and found low carb - don’t understand why guys like Layne Norton call people low carb zealots In an ad libitum free living setting (which is how every single one of us live are life) low carbs diets consistently outperform low fat diets Layne Norton’s flexible dieting and “if it fits your macros” is in no way science based yet he constantly talks about how he’s all about the science Every other diet he dismisses and disses is based on science except his   Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com   Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg   Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/

Season 3 is in full swing with worldwide leaders in their field talking about the latest science of nutrition and health.   To catch people up I’m Brian Sanders and I’ve quit my job and dedicated my life to studying health and nutrition. I’m trying my best to be unbiased and to simplify the conflicting advice out there and distill down concepts into something anyone can understand. I’m not a doctor or nutritionist. I’m a mechanical engineer and I’ve lost both of my parents to chronic disease and have set off on my own path for the last 4 years to study this topic and make sure I don’t fall to the same fate. My role is the curator, the communicator. I’ve interviewed over 100 of the top scientists, doctors, nutritionists, fitness experts, and other health professionals and have come to find some simple truths that I’d like to share.   A lot of this will be presented in the feature length documentary called Food Lies, but it’s not all about the film. I’m spreading this information to the public anyway I can. I do this podcast, I post daily ideas and information on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook, and soon to I’ll be doing more videos on youtube. Search for Food Lies on any of these platforms.   Dr. Gary Fettke has an amazing tale of deceit, deception, disinformation, conspiring dietitians, medical evangelism, his medical board attempting to silence him, and even John Harvey Kellogg, founder of the cereal company and his anti-masterbation mission. A lot going on here and a lot of alliteration as well. Dr. Fettke is an orthopedic surgeon living in Tasmania off of Australia. He practices preventative medicine and helps treat patients long before resorting to surgical interventions. Like Professor Tim Noakes, he stood up to his medical board and powers that be that were trying to stop him from dispensing simple and logical nutrition advice like eating fresh, local, and seasonal foods instead of processed foods. He spent 3 years of his own time and money on this absurdity before being exonerated of all charges. Strap yourselves in folks, this is a good one!   As I’m recording this I’m dealing with the harsh realities of a measly budget and worries of how to finish the Food Lies documentary properly. If you haven’t supported it yet, please consider doing that now. It’s a true community-powered project. If enough people pre-order the film at a pretty reasonable cost of $25 we can complete this in a matter of months instead of maybe a year. That’s what we’re facing if we don’t have the funds. This will be made no matter what, don’t be worried about that. This is my life’s work and all I care about right now. Thanks for your help - just go to FoodLies.org and click through to the Indiegogo campaign or click through the link in the show notes. We have an amazing woman named Amanda adding in $20 more for each person who contributes. Please take her up on her kind offer today. Also, please leave a review of the podcast on itunes or the Apple podcast app. I sent out a care package to listener Aaron from Ohio yesterday who had the review of the week. I really appreciate these reviews and they help get the podcast more visibility. And now here’s Dr. Gary Fettke.   https://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post   Show Notes Dr. gary Fettke is an orthopedic surgeon living in Tasmania off of Australia Part of his job entails cutting off toes and limbs of type 2 diabetes patients He uncovered documents proving the collusion of the food industry (Kellogg’s and other cereal/grains companies) to target him and 7 other Australians They feel that low carb and paleo diets are hurting their sales and want to do something about it All he was promoting was to reduce sugar, refined grains, and industrial oils which he calls the model of inflammation By doing this you are eating low carb healthy fat and avoiding processed foods. Pretty simple… but directly against the big food manufacturers He was also saying red meat was ok He was silenced by his medical board and wasn’t allowed to ever give nutritional advice again Was finally thrown out years later after much time, expense, and lobbying He originally thought it was about the science, but that was simple and they had all the facts on their side Found out about the vested interests and the role of the 7th day adventist church There’s an article in a journal called Religion where they pretty much self-admit all of this - so it sounds crazy, but it’s all true Traced the beginning to America in 1917 when the American Dietetics Association was born They are responsible for much of the textbooks and teachings in that era A woman named Lena Cooper was instrumental in founding this organization. She was a vegetarian and 7th day adventist She worked with John Harvey Kellogg who went on to found the cereal company Kellogg’s The 7th day adventists started with the visions of Ellen G. White who believed meat was unclean and made men violent and also caused masterbation It started around the temperance movement when there was push to ban alcohol and eat clean and close to God Kellogg grew up typesetting for the Adventists and raised by those principles He later founded the Sanitarium in Battle Creek Michigan and owns the patent for corn flakes He created it as a bland food that would help stop masterbation - if you don't believe it, google “kellogg cereal anti-masterbation” Her beliefs were based on visions she had as a girl People were leaving the farms and coming into the cities during this time - meat had to be transported without refrigeration They believed in the “Garden of Eden Diet” which was all plants and included cereals, grains, fruit, veg, nuts, and legumes. It’s still what’s promoted today It keeps evolving and they keep changing the story on why meat is bad. First it's meat causes violence, then meat causes masterbation, then they moved to meat causes cancer, then meat causes heart disease, and finally meat is destroying the environment The adventists are the world’s 2nd leading educator behind the Catholic church yet only have 0.3% of the world’s population 7th day adventists also connected with bringing in soy and all the fake meat products from China 7th day adventists own 22 food industries outside of the US 7th day adventists produce over 4,000 “food products” made of processed plant foods 7th day adventists have 8,000 schools around the world 7th day adventists are proud of their medical evangelism 7th day adventists own over 60 publishing houses 7th day adventists over 850 radio stations 7th day adventists 441 TV stations (in 2016) 7th day adventists did 70,000 podcasts (2016 report) with 1.1 billion downloads 7th day adventists are also inserting their vegetarian agenda in medical textbooks and journals 7th day adventists inserted backend material on 99% of medical software in Australia (2017 report) - This means if you are a doctor and look up any printed material for a patient it’s all Adventist vegetarian material Generational education - this is the problem It’s repeated so many times and in all the textbooks for so long, we just believe it Food manufacturers embrace these plant-based ideas and make more money - they stuff sugra, refined grains, and polyunsaturated oils in the food and it lasts longer and has a higher profit margin Watch out for the terms “lifestyle medicine” and “exercise is medicine” - these are being pushed by the food industries and organizations like ILSI started by Coca-cola EAT Lancet published a study mid-january and a new “planetary diet” that is supposed to be good for your health and the good for the environment. THe face of the organization is a billionaire vegan and all the big food companies are behind it There’s an article that came out recently saying the vast majority of the 37 experts that made up the diet don't follow it This diet is back to the Garden of Eden diet - all plant based with a little bit of meat thrown in The United Nations and the World Health Organization are being influenced by a group of activists I think there’s been such a successful anti-meat campaign for so many decades people can’t even think otherwise He says people are gullible and it’s crazy to get your health information from the news Kellogg’s, Unilever, and PepsiCo are the ones selling you this information There’s also powerful films convincing young people that meat is ruining the world Veganism is highest amongst teenage girls - they’ve become the foot soldiers of the food industry Vegan activists surrounded a teenage girl doing her job at a zoo Our biggest export is our topsoil - we’re losing it Take back the buying power of these food companies by shopping locally at a farmers market When you search for “low carb bread” on youtube anti-low carb videos are being advertised Dr. Gary Fettke says “Eat fresh, local, and seasonal” Everything he talks about is based on biochemistry but most of the other side is based on association and propaganda Nutrition science doesn't use the scientific method a lot of the time A lot of nutrition is based on what’s cheap and easy to produce and palatable They’re spreading disinformation - purposeful misinformation Food companies are using the same tactics as tobacco companies used We have followed the recommendations - our whole grain and fruits/veg consumption went up and red meat went down, but we only got fatter and sicker Our cattle numbers have actually been decreasing over the last few decades Vegan diet falls apart when you look at the science My podcast with Dr. David Klurfeld comes up who was on the WHO panel that decided meat was a carcinogen who talked about it being full of vegans with undeclared agendas https://www.peak-human.com/home/dr-david-klurfeld-on-meat-not-causing-cancer-bogus-vegetarian-scientists-and-balanced-nutrition Vegetarian research papers are written by 7th day adventist vegans Coca-cola uses “exercise as medicine” to throw people off from the sugar water they are drinking I say we should “eat densely, move intensely” and that “eat less, move more” is a worthless statement To enact change you need to start with yourself and not wait for government and guidelines to change Back in the 40s and 50s when we were healthy we’d eat once per week or have 1 soda per week - it was a treat - a special occasion. Now people eat like this every day, all day In farming communities it was traditional to maybe eat only 1 main meal per day Snacking and constantly eating it a totally new thing You don’t have to wither away and have a terrible quality of life You can either be pushed into home plate in a wheelchair drooling on yourself or you can slide in with a cloud of dust Find him at http://nofructose.com http://isupportgary.com Facebook: Belinda Fettke No Fructose Dr. Gary Fettke on twitter http://twitter.com/fructoseno Belinda Fettke on Twitter: http://twitter.com/belindafettke Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/

Aaaaand we’re back! Thanks for waiting patiently for season 3. We have an all-star lineup of guests and many interviews already in the can ready to be released. To catch people up I’m Brian Sanders and I’ve quit my job and dedicated my life to studying health and nutrition. I’m trying my best to be unbiased and to simplify the conflicting advice out there and distill down concepts into something anyone can understand. I’m not a doctor or nutritionist. I’m a mechanical engineer and I’ve lost both of my parents to chronic disease and have set off on my own path for the last 4 years to study this topic and make sure I don’t fall to the same fate. My role is the curator, the communicator. I’ve interviewed over 100 of the top scientists, doctors, nutritionists, fitness experts, and other health professionals and have come to find some simple truths that I’d like to share. A lot of this will be presented in the feature length documentary called Food Lies, but it’s not all about the film. I’m spreading this information to the public anyway I can. I do this podcast, I post daily ideas and information on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook, and soon to I’ll be doing more videos on youtube. Search for Food Lies on any of these platforms. Today I’m talking to Ryan Lowery who is a PhD in Health and Human Performance and a researcher studying cellular, molecular and whole body changes in muscle size, strength, and power in response to novel nutrition, training and supplement interventions. He’s also the president of the Applied Science and Performance Institute where he’s bridging the gap between the latest research and science and practical application. He runs ketogenic.com which is a great resource to check out. He’s the guy that Layne Norton called out in a previous episode. I wanted to get him on to talk about the benefits of being fat adapted and why ketogenic diets are an effective tool in the arsenal. I was actually just hanging out with him at the Metabolic Health Summit. This was an awesome conference put on in part by Dr. Dom D’Agostino who mentioned it last summer in Peak Human episode 6 that I did with him. The top scientists studying ketogenic metabolic therapy were there talking about their latest research and how in conjunction with some other treatments it has been used to shrink brain tumors, prevent epileptic seizures, and even reverse cognitive decline and Alzheimer's. Pretty amazing stuff. So a quick message about the film - please go to FoodLies.org and support us on Indiegogo as we finish post production. We have to cover the cost of our amazing animators, graphic artists, and editors working away on this. I won’t sell it anymore, just know I make no money on this and have in fact spent every cent of my savings making it so far. I really appreciate your support. Here’s Dr. Ryan Lowery. http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post   Show Notes Phinney and Volek set him off - they hadn’t run experiments on resistance training He was a high carb athlete chugging 250 grams of carbs just from weight gainer shakes and skeptical about keto and sports performance Endurance athletes can have an advantage by being fat adapted and metabolically flexible to tap into tens of thousands of calories they have in their fat stores Online war with Layne Norton Benefits of being fat adapted Some studies that show when protein and calories are equated there is benefits to running on fat In real world applications, so what if keto people eat more protein, we live in the real world Is it possible that all these amazing results I and others are getting from eating this way is just due to eating at a deficit? Energy balance remains Are all calories the same? Nutrient density is king All calories are certainly not equal - Layne’s own studies show this You can eat whey protein and rice and hit your macros and lose weight - doesn’t; mean it’s healthy. There’s studies showing our ancestors ate 10-20 times the vitamins and minerals we eat today Problems with “if it fits your macros” Benefits of running on fat instead of glucose Phospholipids and brain health We lose our tolerance to carbs as we grow older Dr. Michael Rose is the one doing the fruit fly studies - look him up or listen to him on Robb Wolf’s podcast #416 You can’t force someone to eat a certain way, but you can help them find what they want to do His brother is obese Cyclic keto AKA blowing it out on the weekends Not back in ketosis until thursday I don’t care about ketosis necessarily and just eat nutrient dense foods Ketones are muscle sparing - help you retain muscle mass If you’re on a long term ketogenic diet your pancreas isn’t secreting much insulin and you aren’t prepared for a bolus of glucose - don’t be super strict then go bananas for a holiday or vacation People on low fat diets can’t handle a huge bolus of fat either Gut problems when transitioning to high fat or carnivore Don’t get caught up in a tribe Their animal studies on a keto diet for its entire lifespan Visceral fat around the organs is the worst kind of fat Thin on the Outside, Fat on the Inside (TOFI) which Layne disregarded and said wasn’t a thing Layne Norton called out Prof. Tim Noakes as a liar saying that he never had pre-diabetes His message is to make positivity louder Find him at http://ketogenic.com Twitter http://twitter.com/DrRyanLowery Instagram http://instagram.com/ryanplowery   Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com   Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg   Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/

Sally Fallon Morell is the director and co-founder of the Weston A. Price Foundation. She’s spent the last 20 years doing amazing work to promote the wise traditions of our ancestors and their farming, preparation, and consumption of foods. She’s written many amazing books such as Nourishing Traditions, Eat Fat, Lose Fat, and a new Book called Nourishing Diets. I really value all that she’s done and continues to do. I’ve come to realize my ideal diet is the one the Weston A. Price Foundation recommends minus the grains, even though they are safe if you prepare them properly as Sally mentions. I’d prefer to run on fat and most people listening probably know the vast benefits of doing this. I want to highlight that they can be safe to eat if you soak them overnight, etc. so if you choose to eat these foods at least do it properly. You may have noticed I’m getting all kinds of people on the show. I don’t want to be totally one sided. I’ll let people share their differing opinions and not argue with them. That doesn’t mean I support their stance. Dr. David Klurfeld, Layne Norton - let’s hear what they have to say. I think it would be a disservice to just keep getting people on the show who 100% agree with me. You have to be open to all sides so you’re not caught being dogmatic just like vegans and only look at things from one angle or miss the truth because your head is in the sand. All I’m after is truth, and will change my views if necessary. So far, nothing has shaken my belief that we need to eat nutrient dense ancestral diets with a lot of animal fat. I believe it’s better to run on fat, and most carbs are pretty worthless because they don’t have a lot of nutrients for how much energy they have. You can get the same nutrients that properly sprouted and fermented grains have elsewhere. People doing carnivore. Listen to the teachings of Dr. Price. Eat the whole animal. So much of the good stuff is in the bits and pieces. You can point to many populations over time eating mostly all or even 100% animal foods for long periods or life, and I agree with you, but they weren’t eating only muscle meat. I think the best diet out there is basically what Tara Couture, my last podcast guest who’s a homestead farmer, feeds her family. The full animal plus fermented veg and other fresh grown veg thrown in. Add in some more exotic foods such as fish eggs, avocado, mushrooms, and coconut oil. You can’t get more nutrient dense and less potentially harmful than that. This was our last film tour and we’re now actively engaged in post-production for Food Lies. All the T-shirts and rewards are being sent out shortly. You can still pre-order the film and get the other rewards at Indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post which is linked here in the show notes and at FoodLies.org where you can also see the film trailer. Thanks so much for the support and here’s Sally. Show Notes Just got back from filming with her on her farm in southern Maryland They mimic nature with regenerative and holistic farming practices and produce raw milk and raw cheese, etc. It’s strange that we need an entire organization just help re-educate people on how we have always eaten. It’s an uphill battle with a ton of opposition Rotational grazing mimics the grazing and movement of ruminants throughout history Weston A. Price foundation validates traditional farming and eating practices with modern science Demonization of saturated fats Procter & Gamble and the cottonseed oil and Crisco story - they were experts at marketing to housewives of the time Vegetable oils might be worse than trans fat For all of history humans prized animal fat It’s insane to give kids skim milk Dr. Price found that different culture all over the world had similar practices of a nutrient dense animal food diet 6 months prior to conception Vegetarian diet 2014 UK study: “our results showed that a vegetarian diet is associated with poorer health (higher incidences of cancer, allergies, and mental health disorders), a higher need for health care, and poorer quality of life.” https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0088278&type=printable Tooth health is a great indicator of overall health Wide dental arches and face and not needing braces is a sign of good nutrition from pre-conception through the growth phase Our ancestors built up their vitamin A stores well ahead of becoming pregnant by eating organ meats, animal fat, butter, egg yolks, etc. The heart starts growing before the women even knows she’s pregnant Prenatal vitamins aren't bioavailable - you need to get the full nutrition from the food you eat The foundation has seen so many examples of healthy, strong, smart, attractive babies born from eating this nutrient dense diet Some of his other studies and observations of kids in youth detention facilities and where he gave different groups of low income kids one nutritious meal per day of beef stew and cod liver oil with really good grass fed butter When displacing foods of modern civilization came in (sugar, flour, canned foods, vegetable oils) the first thing that happened was rampant tooth decay. The next generation had the narrow jaws and crooked teeth People on the traditional diet didn’t get tuberculosis He studied the level in vitamins in butter compared to when the cows were on the best grass compared to heart attack rates He also presented data showing the level of minerals in the soil and the correlation to PhDs - the areas that people were born and raised with the most fertile soil produced far more doctors Her new book is called Nourishing Diets and it looks at what populations around the world really ate throughout history. Of course none of them were vegan or vegetarian - they all highly cherished and regarded animal foods https://www.amazon.com/Nourishing-Diets-Ancestral-Traditional-Peoples/dp/1538711680 Crushes the original Blue Zones book that tried to claim many long living populations were plant based He actually lied - there’s studies showing all the people who got more animal foods and animal fat lived longer than people who didn’t She has an article about each one of the 5 blue zones refuting the original author: http://nourishingtraditions.com/true-blue-zones-okinawa/ http://nourishingtraditions.com/true-blue-zones-sardinia http://nourishingtraditions.com/true-blue-zones-ikaria-greece/ http://nourishingtraditions.com/true-blue-zones-loma-linda/ http://nourishingtraditions.com/true-blue-zones-costa-rica/ The China Study is also oft cited by vegetarian zealots. That was a very poorply done study and actually the authors said it was not to be used to draw conclusions from or show causation… although that’s exactly what vegan propagandist T. Colin Campbell did She says grains were actually being cultivated before we thought. BUT all the cultures knew to detoxify them by soaking and fermenting them Eating a bunch of whole grains caused a ton of problems in modern society like gluten intolerance, leaky but, SIBO, IBS, and much more. THere’s so many anti-nutrients in grains, humans aren't meant to digest them No whole foods are excluded on the Weston A. Price diet. It’s all about the context and preparation of your food A little know fact is that brushing your teeth isn't the biggest factor in tooth decay - it’s actually your diet. Obviously these non-westernized cultures throughout history didn't have toothpaste, toothbrushes, and flouride, yet they all had near-perfect teeth How the nutrient diet of our ancestors affects jaw development Anecdotally, her parents both had perfect teeth (raised on butter and animal fat), her and her 3 siblings all needed braces (raised on vegetable oils), and all her children and grandchildren have great teeth (went back to butter and animal fats) Her daughter has a gluten intolerance because she got too many whole grains too early in life. For her later children she waited and they’re all fine Why raw milk is considered harmful (even though it is what we should be consuming) It’s funny to see all this new enthusiasm for bone broth and fermented foods when Dr .Price and the foundation have known about it all along The future is in small artisan producers of these foods - it doesn’t take a lot of capital to start up The new generation is already heading this way - they don’t want to work for big corporations Technology got us away from our roots but it has the potential to help us get back They set up http://rawmilk.com Become a member or find out more at http://westonaprice.com   Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post    Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com   Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg   Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/

Welcome back everyone, I’m Brian Sanders and I quit my job and have dedicated my life to the investigation of nutrition and lifelong health. I’m creating the feature length documentary Food Lies, this podcast, and a health technology company here in Los Angeles with a doctor and 2 other partners. Today I’m talking to Tara Couture who is a certified nutritionist, homestead farmer, expert in nutrient dense cooking and living, and maybe my new favorite person ever. She’s raised her family for 25 years on the most amazing, nutrient dense foods you can imagine using her nutrition background, teachings from Weston A. Price, raw milk from farmer friends, and mostly her own animals she raises. She butchers her own animals, churns her own butter, makes her own head cheese, etc., etc. She is the real deal. Check out what I’m talking about before you even listen to this episode on her amazing Instagram account http://instagram.com/slowdownfarmstead She’s a wealth of information and I genuinely enjoyed our talk. We get into vegan lies, the canadian mafia-like police arresting people for selling food they produced by hand, crazy family members refusing to eat her food, and a lot more. Her husband is an ER doctor and deals with some of this insanity as well. Don’t forget you can still preorder the Food Lies film on Indiegogo to support its creation and this podcast. Thanks again for everyone’s support so far and please enjoy this great episode with Tara Couture. http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post   Show Notes She has the best Instagram account in the game http://instagram.com/slowdownfarmstead She lives on a homestead farm in Canada and raises basically all her own animals and food She eats the most glorious, nutrient food you can imagine Tara and her husband (who is a doctor) were in the military and moved around for many years. Every place they went they immediately found local farmers to supply them with the nutrient dense food they needed She bought deep freezers on Craigslist for $50 and bought bulk animals for the whole year People in cities can go to farmers markets or get involved with a CSA (Community Supported Agriculture) https://www.localharvest.org/csa/ Her daughter is living in a small apartment and buying bulk meat from farmers and deep freezing as well It doesn't have to be all or nothing - do what you can Daughters went off and ate normal food with friends as teenagers and felt sick and hated it She’s eating an animal food-only diet currently but doesn't like to call it carnivore or keto because that’s not what she’s after - she’s going after nutrient density She lists some of the things she eats daily - duck confit, head cheese, rabbit liver, kidney, adn heart pate, duck prosciutto… the list goes on Duck prosciutto sounds fancy but is actually super easy to make We’ve been sold a bunch of lies by big food producers making it seem like they’re the only ones that can feed us and it’s so hard to cook on your own She inexplicably has a 26 year old daughter while looking 26 herself Her daughter was misdiagnosed with a rare disease which made her go vegetarian. Her health fell apart despite doing it very well with all the right food combinations All her daughters were raised on organic foods, raw milk and cream, lots of animal fats and they are all beautiful and lean They’ve never had antibiotics and none of them even have a doctor The younger 2 daughters have never had a cavity (Tara was eating vegetarian when she had the oldest so…) Her youngest is on the boys hockey team and squats 225 lbs and was born 10 lbs 6 oz She thinks their calm and even-keeled temperament is very noticable and attributes it to a very healthy diet They bring big coolers of real foods (meat) to hockey tournaments Youngest daughter has never had fast food before - she says she wants that to be on her tombstone “the kid that never went to McDonalds” They have a beautiful organic garden and eat fermented plant foods like sauerkraut and kimchi She’s temporarily eating only animal foods because she has zero inflammation that way, feels great, and has no gut issues She lives near Ottawa on the Canadian Shield which has thin soil and is very rocky. There’s also trees everywhere. This land cannot be used for crops. The only good use for it is animals. They wander the forest and eat a really diverse variety of forage She does rotational grazing with her cows in the warmer months “The idea that grain or vegetarian diets will save the earth is so nonsensical. Anyone that works on the land can explain to you in one sentence why that can’t happen” Vegans have the loudest voices so people think it’s the majority People like Bill Gates think they know how to save the world - he’s some nerd who started a computer company - what does he know about farming? Don’t wait for these changes to come from the top - get your own well-sourced meat today She raises dairy cows, beef cows, ducks, meat rabbits, and heritage breed pigs (off and on) She makes her own butter which destroys any store bought grass fed butter Animals have instincts, just like humans, of what’s good for them She is working outside the system regarding insurance, so if anything happens she’s screwed They have a quota system for milk where you have to buy the right to sell milk for tens of thousands of dollars It’s like a mafia. They raided her neighbor and took him to court It would be illegal for her to serve me milk if I visited Her slaughter story 7 min documentary on mobile slaughter called “I Kill” https://vimeo.com/118461898 The first animal she was around for the end of life was a bison she butchered with her mentor She develops relationships with these animals. This is part of life. We have a disconnect with death, and it’s not good For some reason we’re trying to rewrite nature and evolution with our current “me” oriented thought patterns An unnamed person in her life came over for dinner and brought her own diet yogurt, 7up, and granola bar to eat and refused to eat her farm grown, handmade food Her dad has major health problems Her husband is a doctor but doesn’t want to be part of the system pumping out drugs People go to the hospital for a common cold and demand antibiotics So much depression, ADHD, and anxiety in children these days, it’s crazy When he asks people what they eat they're offended Our society is soft We need to start with our community food system first - not the big food companies or policy at the top level https://www.westonaprice.org http://www.eatwild.com “It’s been the great con job of our century to make us think that all this stuff is hard and foreign and out of reach”   Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post   Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com   Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg   Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/  

Welcome back everyone, I’m Brian Sanders and I quit my job and have dedicated my life to the investigation of nutrition and lifelong health. I’m creating the feature length documentary Food Lies, this podcast, and a health technology company here in Los Angeles with a doctor and 2 other partners. Today we have Layne Norton who I had a great time talking with and has a lot of good messages… Nobody should get too caught up in one way of doing something, even if it has tons of apparent benefits. I’ve always tried to keep an open mind and have repeatedly talked about how many different dietary strategies can work, especially on the two opposite ends of the spectrum. Just don’t get caught in the middle like most Americans. This wasn’t supposed to be a debate. Previous guest Dr. Dom D’Agostino recently had a quote debate with Layne on Joe Rogan’s podcast which I recommend that everyone check out. I don’t think Dom challenged him enough so I wanted to have him on and ask a few more questions. I believe people can do fine running on fat or glucose, or both, there's just benefits and downsides depending on which. I see almost no downsides to fat, it’s working for me, I see way more lines of evidence pointing to this being our default state, and so I continue to lean on this side as the preferred metabolic state. We talked about a very interesting study that just came out in November that I feel puts a big hit on his position that if you keep protein and overall calories consistent between to groups of people, the fat and carb content doesn't matter. This study which I linked to in the show notes https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4583 by Dr. David Ludwig controls for these, lasts 20 weeks - so long enough to actually get the subjects fat adapted (which I wanted to make a bigger point of that almost all other big studies fail to do) - and clearly shows as you drop your carb intake and replace it with fat, you burn more calories. If you’re burning more energy, you're losing weight. I have so many regrets on things I could have brought up and I’m sure I left things out. Many people listening will probably be yelling at their phones that I could have contradicted the old Kevin Hall studies in this way or brought up some point here or there. I’ll just say it’s hard to get everything out in the moment, live on air.   One thing I was was going to say was NuSi funding the study doesn't make it biased. They purposely found researchers that don’t agree with the hypothesis to run the experiments with Dr. Ludwig. The subject changed and I forgot to bring this up. I also wanted to point to the blood markers that improved in the low carb group in this study compared to the higher carb group. This is important no matter what, but even more important to me because they weren't in a calorie deficit - they were just maintaining weight. That’s huge. Layne always says all the benefits of low carb can be attributed to being in a deficit. He said he didn’t get a chance to go over the study yet though. I’ll have to ask him about this another time. I posted the images of the graphs from the study on Instagram so you can see them there if you go back a few posts. Just search for @food.lies. Also, I’m not diminishing all the great aspects of keto. I feel like I’m going to piss off the keto community in this episode because they think I’m dismissing it or not bringing up all the studies showing the unique benefits. That’s for another time - I’m talking to Dr. Ryan Lowery about coming on the podcast soon who is the guy Layne is having a little online war with that comes up in this episode. He’ll talk about all the great studies on the benefits of a ketogenic diet. I wanted to focus on other things with Layne. We agree on a bunch of stuff in the first half then start to debate things in the second half. A bit more about him; he has a PhD in Nutritional Science and a background in biochemistry, he’s a professional natural bodybuilder, he’s won a bunch of competitions, he’s published a number of scientific papers, he’s a bodybuilding and physique coach, and also an author of a new book on weight loss. Before we get to the interview, I want to say if you have gotten any value out of the last 24 podcasts, the best way to show your support is to click through the link in the show notes and preorder a copy of the Food Lies film on Indiegogo. You can also find it by going to FoodLies.org I’m doing everything I can on a daily basis to spread information and create content to help people find unbiased and accurate information on something that should be everyone’s top priority in life - their health. Thanks so much for your support, and here’s Layne Norton. http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post   Show Notes He recently debated previous guest and keto researcher, Dom D’Agostino on Joe Rogan’s podcast He’s main goal is to call bullshit on bad science and bad dietary advice Dr. Mark Haub and the junk food diet http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html Calories in = calories out will always stand, there’s a lot more to it though The real problem is excess eating, so find a way that works for you to not do this He just finished an Ebook on losing weight and actually keeping it off called Fat Loss Forever https://www.biolayne.com/fat-loss-forever/ Everyone has their own hack or restriction they prefer. It could be keto makes you never feel hungry, for him it’s tracking his calories and macro intake People get really zealous about one way of eating when it works for them Exercise doesn't contribute a ton of weight loss by burning calories unless you’re doing a ton of it Exercise lowers the set point your body defends Some research showing exercise or activity sensitizes you to satiety signals Bengali workers study https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article-abstract/4/2/169/4787034 Recency and delayed gratification Change your reward structure The real problem is fat and carbs together Why do diets fail? Rodent study showed it took twice as long to lose weight the 2nd attempt at dieting and they regained the weight 3 times as fast 4 basic components of your metabolic rate: BMR, NEAT, TEF, activity expenditure Don’t ever attempt a “diet” that has a start and end point, it’s destined for failure - choose lifestyle modification you can stick to Diets fail when things go wrong in people’s lives - limited will power I believe there are benefits to being fat adapted New study showing more energy is burned on a low carb diet compared to low fat, when calories and protein are controlled https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4583 Here’s one study about the brain (in rodents) using ketones preferentially over glucose https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2874681/ Here’s another in humans https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0271678X16669366?journalCode=jcba Also from a Biochem textbook: “Many tissues prefer to use fatty acids and ketone bodies as oxidizable fuels in place of glucose. Most such tissues can use glucose but prefer to oxidize fatty acids and ketone bodies” Thomas M. Devlin, ed., Textbook of Biochemistry with Clinical Correlations Humans can only store around 600g of glycogen in the muscles and liver yet we can store basically unlimited fat - we’re meant to run like batteries. Glucose wasn't always around. Metabolic flexibility Layne Norton’s keto experiment More carb vs. fat debate He is doubting if Tim Noakes actually had type 2 diabetes symptoms TOFI Thin on the Outside, Fat on the Inside Protein leverage hypothesis and Dr. Ted Naiman Eating pop tarts and their expensive toll Evolution and fat Eating at a deficit might be all that matters What about all the micronutrients? His angle is coming from bodybuilders who have a lot of energy to burn and are already good at tracking things like calories and being disciplined What he’s changed his mind on He’s debating Dr. Shawn Baker on Mark Bell’s podcast about vegetables   Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post   Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com   Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg   Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/  

Welcome back everyone, I’m Brian Sanders and I quit my job and have dedicated my life to the investigation of nutrition and lifelong health. I’m creating the feature length documentary Food Lies, this podcast, and a health technology company here in Los Angeles with a doctor and 2 other partners. Today my guest is Dr. David Klurfeld, which is a quite a treat. This is his first podcast appearance and had to get special clearance to be able to participate. He couldn’t talk about certain things because he’s the National Program Leader for Human Nutrition in the Agricultural Research Service of the USDA since 2004. He was also on the working group of the World Health Organization that decided meat causes cancer in 2015. I won’t leave you guessing - he was very opposed to it and called it “the most frustrating professional experience of his life.” He’s accumulated a vast amount of knowledge over his 40 years researching nutrition and dietary factors in cardiovascular diseases and cancer. He wrote an amazing peer-reviewed article defending meat titled “what is the role of meat in a healthy diet” which I linked to in the show notes. https://academic.oup.com/af/article/8/3/5/5048762 He’s not going to support a fully carnivorous diet, but certainly sees past the bogus vegan propaganda Speaking of support - PLEASE support Food Lies on Indiegogo. Thanks for everything so far. The campaign just ended but Indiegogo allows us to keep funding because we hit our baseline goal. We need a bit more help to hit the real goal, however. Pre-order a copy of the film or check out some of the other perks. Also, this podcast has a website that I have barely even mentioned. Check out peak-human.com for all episodes and detailed show notes. A little more about Dr. Klurfeld before we start: He is responsible for the scientific direction of the intramural human nutrition research conducted by USDA laboratories. He has published more than 200 peer-reviewed articles and book chapters. He was Editor-in-Chief of the Journal of the American College of Nutrition for 6 years and is currently Associate Editor of the American Journal for Clinical Nutrition. He is also a member of National Institute for Diabetes, Digestive and Kidney Diseases Advisory Council. Let’s just say he’s done his homework… and still enjoys a good steak… here he is!   Show Notes Dr. David Klurfeld focuses his research on the 3 macronutrients and their effect on health on chronic disease - specifically breast and colon cancer People debate on how much what we eat affects diet and disease A paper published tries to stick all of cardiovascular disease precisely on 10 factors https://jamanetwork.com/data/Journals/JAMA/936095/joi170008f1.png Full article: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2608221 David and I spoke earlier and are on the same page - there’s no one-size-fits-all solution for how to eat, and nobody should pretend they have all the answers. There’s a framework and some general guidelines, however, that people should be aware of (if this isn’t already abundantly clear, this is the goal of the Food Lies film They have high salt as #1 factor of “cardiometabolic mortality attributable to dietary habits” and #2 being “low intake of nuts and seeds” There’s no evidence to support these specific quantities like amount of PUFAs Residual confounding is a big problem that’s not really addressed The thing that meat consumption correlates with most is not living a healthy life and ignoring doctor’s recommendations. Smoking, not exercising, etc. Eating meat made us human - why would it be killing us? Dr. David Klurfeld: Red meat is somehow blamed for a multitude of varying diseases and cancers. Imagine if one medication was purported to cure all of these disparate things? It’s just not plausible You can get half your daily requirement of protein in just 3.5 ounces of meat Dr. David Klurfeld: there are 8 essential amino acids which are in animal foods but absent in all plant foods We should get the best of both worlds and eat an omnivorous diet We don’t know exactly what our ancestors ate but they sure didn't have international trade of peaches and didn’t have farms. We chased animals He’s done a lot of research on fiber and therefore not that hot on the carnivore diet Even though there’s no requirement for fiber in our guidelines, he believes we have more science now He believes if you don't eat fiber in your diet, your body will eat away the good mucus membrane in your intestinal walls I ask about people or populations on long term carnivore diets - connective tissue in animals feed gut intestines like fiber does He also says the lifetime risk of colon cancer is only 5 out 100 - so we’d have to study hundreds of thousands of people for a long period of time to get meaningful data - we just don’t know the effects He’s like to see dietary guidelines have a grade for the level of evidence After all the decades of research and gazillions of dollars he still can’t say anything with any level of certainty about what you can eat to get or not get cancer Processed meat is said to increase risk of cancer by 1.2 while cigarettes are 10 to 30 times the risk You don’t know if it’s real risk or noise in the system at these very low levels like 1.1 and 1.2 He talks about studies they do which are pretty controlled with meals handed out and weighed in the lab - way better than these bogus food questionnaires People can’t remember what they ate over the course of the whole year Tylervegan.com has a graphing tool for correlations. He made a graph showing the correlation between per capita consumption of beef and deaths by lightning that are correlated by almost 90% - this stuff CAN’T show causation He actually appeared in the plant based film Forks Over Knives where they tried to get him with a gotcha moment and make it seem like the meat industry is funding them and they are biased Dr. David Klurfeld says the USDA is a giant organization with 90k employees and many different departments - they don’t influence each other though when it comes to studies. He is 100% certain about that He’s seen vegetarians on these committees who want everyone to be vegetarian, but never meat eaters who want everyone to eat meat He believes being a vegetarian is a conflict of interest on these committees He was on the World Health Organization working group to decide if meat causes cancer in 2015 with a bunch of vegetarians and vegans and says it was the most frustrating professional experience of his life There were 22 scientists - half of which were epidemiologists They claimed they used 800 studies but they actually only used 18 There was a group of people that were strongly against the vote He thinks a number of the people made up their minds before they even arrived National Cancer Institute study with 900 people split into 2 groups who had an intestinal polyp removed on a colonoscopy. One group told to eat whatever they want, one group was assigned a “healthy” diet low in red meat and processed meat, high in fruits, vegetables, and whole grains. 3 years later the risk to get a 2nd polyp was exactly the same in both groups. The emission of red and processed meats did nothing. Then came the Women’s Health Initiative - largest nutrition study in history. 9 years of a low fat diet compared to a control - again, no difference in risk for colon cancer So they threw out the 2 studies that were actually scientifically controlled on humans, none of the animal studies showed any problem with meat, and they're left with epidemiology and mechanistic studies they CANNOT show causation One of the members of the working group did a study feeding mice bacon and also an agent to induce cancer and actually found the bacon diet reduced precancerous lesions! They relied on one study that fed mice blood sausage at 3 times the normal dose of protein and the diet had a calcium deficiency - only then was The report on that 2015 decision finally came out this summer and he has no idea why or if they omitted those studies he brought up He mentioned to a staff member of the WHO that he thought people on the working group should declare that they are a vegetarian as a conflict of interest - she laughed and said she was a vegetarian and they changed the subject Being a vegetarian, in his view, is far more of a conflict of interest than who funds you - it's a more deep-seated belief He estimates ¼ to ⅓ of the committee making the decision against red meat were vegetarians His journal article “The role of meat in a healthy diet” https://academic.oup.com/af/article/8/3/5/5048762 Since the only used observational studies, it should only be suggestive that they should look into it more, certainly not causal In other fields of study this is the case. Nutrition is somehow held to different and much looser standards Nutrition researchers with a bias think they're saving the world and push this information without solid evidence, just their beliefs and some observations People have different responses to whole grains and refined grains - there’s no way to tell. So many factors from gut bacteria to genetics It’s impossible to give everyone in the country personalized tests and recommendations. Personalized nutrition is the future though. What can we do now knowing this? His personal nutrition ideas are 1) eat a variety of foods, 2) don’t eat too much of any one food, 3) enjoy what you eat He mentions nutrient density - Americans eat an enormous amount of calories from non-nutrient dense foods packed with white flour plus sugar and fat Eating out used to be a once per week treat, now it's almost every meal Soda used to be a 7oz bottle as a treat - now people are luggin home multiple 2 liters to have on hand at all times We started getting obese when we gave out the dietary guidelines - the problem was we said eat less fat so carbohydrates got a free pass He thinks we are on a bounce back from the low fat thing and it's not correct to say carbs are bad Unless you have high blood pressure you don’t have to go on a low salt diet Salt is essential and fine - the problem is processed foods usually have too much salt so we think it’s a problem, but it’s actually the processed food For all vitamins and minerals - it's dose dependent “The dose makes the poison” - toxicologists have known this for 500 years With nutrition it’s all or nothing, though All the studies we have showing fruits and vegetables are good for us are from people eating conventionally raised produce - not organic He says half the fruits and vegetables we eat have no pesticide residue on them at all - the USDA tests thousands and thousands of samples each year Here’s the latest available (2016) report https://www.ams.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media/2016PDPAnnualSummary.pdf.pdf He’s right - it says only 0.46% of samples exceeded the safe levels The permissible levels have built in margins of safety He says heart attack rates are way down and cancer is up due to us living longer (I beg to differ) Commercial fryers can have oxidized PUFAs We need a more balanced Omega 3 to Omega 6 ratio We should be cooking more at home - no profit for big food manufacturers however What about carcinogens in meat from burning or charring? I say we have been cooking meat for 2 million years and have developed mechanisms to deal with this acute stressor just like the small toxins in plants The animal studies pointing to problems in animals had 1000 times the carcinogens as in a well done piece of meat (that I would never cook anyway…) Why would we blame meat, that we’ve been eating for all of human history, for our modern diseases Elderly people need adequate protein and ground beef would be preferable to cottage cheese or tofu because all of the great micronutrients and total nutrient profile It’s insane that what many people today consider a “healthy diet” is one that avoids red meat He did the first study showing benefits of red wine back in the 80s Future of nutrition research is going to be more personalized Companies are selling a bunch of yogurt - we have no idea if those help your gut bacteria or not Maybe we’ll have 10-20 “buckets” to put people in based on their physiology that will give them an ideal nutritional approach It’s all about developing a healthy pattern of eating   Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post   Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies   Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg   Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/

Today I had the pleasure of talking to celebrity chef, filmmaker, and all around great guy, Pete Evans. He co-hosts the #1 show in Australia, My Kitchen Rules which is in its 10th season and is shown in 160 countries. He’s written a ton of books and cookbooks, he’s created the show The Paleo Way, and has a great podcast called Recipes For Life. You may know him from the documentary The Magic Pill, which everyone listening has probably already seen on Netflix.   He’s an amazing, positive force in Australia and the world, and it may not be apparent from our brief talk. We only had an hour so I’m going to have him on again because there’s so much more to get into. I’ll get a better recording situation next time. You’ll notice the quality wasn’t so great due to the recording service we were forced to use. A lot to enjoy in this episode though - he brings up some really creepy stuff about the dietitians association of Australia colluding to discredit and silence himself and a prominent doctor who advocate for people to lower sugar in their diet. Absurd, but true.   These are the last few days you can pre-order the Food Lies film on Indiegogo. We really need your help to get this finished. We’re not taking any outside funding and have so far used much of our own time, money, and resources. It’s really coming out fantastic, and I can’t wait to share it with the world. Pre-ordering is the only way to have your own copy and share it with family and friends and you’ll get it a couple months early. It’s also the best way to show your support for this podcast and getting this information out there. I really appreciate all the support so far and can’t thank this awesome community enough. Click through the link in the show notes on your podcast app, at peak-human.com, at FoodLies.org, or search for it on Indiegogo.com Thanks and please enjoy my talk with Pete Evans.   http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post   Show Notes Find out more about Pete Evans https://peteevans.com His TV show My Kitchen Rules https://mkr.7plus.com.au His series The Paleo Way https://peteevans.com/initiatives/the-paleo-way/ He self funded The Magic Pill and The Paleo Way and executive produced it Got a distributor and it went nowhere… He realized he had a lot of great content and a documentary was a better format for this valuable information His director Rob Tate came in huge Hope For Health - benefitting the Australian Aboriginals https://www.hopeforhealth.com.au Why Warriors Lay Down and Die http://www.whywarriors.com.au/services/why-warriors-lie-down-and-die/ He brings up Weston A. Price - has he been mentioned every episode? The power of an ancestral diet is undeniable - changes unfolded in real time on film as people got off their diabetes medication and got healthier The trial of Professor Tim Noakes (listen to Prof. Noakes in episode 3) was going on at the same time so they decided to film that as well Dr. Gary Fettke has also been silenced by the dieticians in Australia. He’s an orthopedic surgeon who cuts off limbs due to diabetes yet he was silenced for telling patients to avoid sugar Had great stories from Nina Teicholz, Joel Salatin, and Lierre Keith (all friends of Food Lies film/this podcast) Original cut of Magic Pill was more controversial and inflammatory but Pete wasn’t comfortable with that The president of the Australian Medical Association called it a dangerous film and tried to get it taken off of Netflix. He’s now been replaced… He’s working with Dr. gary Fettke to get the dietary guidelines changed in Australia Dr. Gary Fettke got ahold of some internal files showing Dietitians Association colluding with multinational food organizations to have himself, Pete, and other members of the paleo community silenced or discredited The more films and information about ancestral eating, the better Carnivore movement - Shawn Baker and Mikhaila Peterson - it’s good to fight against the vegan propaganda and prove meat isn’t harmful, but in fact beneficial Pete put up a $1 million bet if those dietitians can prove that the grass fed, grass finished steak and vegetables he served his family for dinner can be proven to be harmful As a chef, why would you use the blandest foods in your cooking? The pasta, the bread, the plain starches that add no nutritional value or flavor. Instead you can use the most nutrient dense and delicious foods possible - all the low carb foods Nora Gedgaudas and her life changing book for Pete, Primal Body Primal Mind https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9571633-primal-body-primal-mind They went on a speaking tour together over the course of 2 years Food should be something you can eat straight from nature, full of nutrients and flavor. That is not wheat and grains The problem is we are taking bland foods devoid of nutrients (refined carbs) and adding fake flavors to them which is tricking us into overeating and not getting adequate nutrition The Dorito Effect https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22609354-the-dorito-effect From a restaurant’s point of view, the best thing for someone to order is the pasta because there’s such a high profit margin Cooking your own grass fed meat, wild caught seafood, and organic vegetables is very affordable and can be cheaper if you make a little effort Don’t wait until your health fails to start eating correctly What if there was a generation of young people who grew up thriving their entire lives on a good diet? How can we implement a change even in the school system where kids are taught what to eat and how to cook? Pete Evans says the dietary guidelines need to be changed After a birthday party the kids leave with a a bag of candy - what a bizarre tradition Pete tells a very good story about his daughters when they were younger We wrap things up with some positive messages and a plan to continue the conversation when there’s more time at a later date   Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post   Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com   Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg   Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/

Marty Kendall is an engineer, a speaker, and a writer. He’s analyzed a bunch of data and built some cool, free technology. He’s also brought a lot of people together who are working on cutting edge, practical information. He runs a group where some of the smartest people in nutrition are interacting daily, sharing information and studies and clinical experience. This includes Dr. Ted Naiman who was my first guest and who we bring up a few times in this episode. These are not anti-carb people, they aren’t dogmatic, they don’t let other interests or beliefs enter the picture. They're after information and truth and are working towards healing people and changing lives. They’re coming at this from all sides and from all over the world. Some are doing the research, some are just interpreting it and thinking about it from new angles. Ted is in the clinic daily, putting it into practice and reversing diabetes. Marty is building tools and thinking about it from his engineering perspective. I love people who think about it this way - I’m like a broken record, because I’m an engineer too. We need to stop thinking that only a doctor can be an expert on nutrition. Why would they be? They have extremely little or no nutrition specific training. They are brilliant when it comes to a million other things, but they aren't the end-all be-all of nutrition They can be though. But so can an engineer who dedicates years of their life to researching a topic. Not everyone who does this will be smart or correct, but some are. These are the people I get on the podcast. Ivor Cummins, Tucker Goodrich, Gabor Erdosi, Dave Feldman soon, and now Marty Kendall. There’s many more as well, and I’ll continue to find them. Enough of my ranting - just a quick word on the Food Lies documentary. It’s going really well and being pushed forward daily. I just booked our trip to Maryland to film with Dr. Bill Schindler. Go back to listen to that episode if you missed it. There’s only about 11 days left on the Indiegogo.com crowdfunding page. Please go there to preorder the film. There’s a link in the show notes in your podcast app and on peak-human.com. You also can search for Food Lies on Indiegogo or go to FoodLies.org to learn more. Now please take a listen to Marty and I talk about my favorite topic - nutrient density. http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post   Show Notes Marty Kendall runs the great site http://optimisingnutrition.com and the facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/1419823171384689/ Ted Naiman, Robb Wolf, Luis Villasenor, and Tyler Cartwright (ketogains) all collaborate with him to figure this nutrition stuff out What is nutrient density? Matt Lalonde’s presentation at AHS 2012 https://youtu.be/HwbY12qZcF4 Cronometer is a great app to track food and nutrients https://cronometer.com Nutrient dense foods are less insulinogenic, more satiating, and less energy dense Try to quantify things because nutrition is confusing enough I disagree with Joel Fuhrman’s nutrient density scoring system His version of nutrient density is variable and is based on what you personally aren’t getting enough of If you’re getting enough micronutrients, you’re very likely to be getting all the protein you need Can’t make a perfect diet because too many factors - season, cost, preference, etc. Some of the most nutrient dense and satiating foods are leafy greens, fish eggs, seafood, liver We’ve always sought after nutritious foods throughout history, with or without knowing it He mentions my recent episode with Tucker Goodrich https://www.peak-human.com/home/tucker-goodrich-on-vegetable-oils-being-at-the-heart-of-modern-disease on seed oils and how unnatural and energy dense they are Modern foods are engineered to trick us - they tastes delicious, but have no nutrition The book The Dorito Effect chronicles this https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22609354-the-dorito-effect?from_search=true It’s a cliche for a reason - eat real foods Trying to formulate a low insulin diet for his wife with type 1 diabetes that is also nutrient dense What are the most nutrient dense foods? Amazing benefits of seafood Modern food is dog food - stuffed with cheap grains and vegetable oils with huge profit margins for big food manufacturers at the expense of the consumer’s health Satiety Used 587,000 day worth of publicly available food data from MyFitnessPal to do some data crunching Fed state, glucagon, and type 1 diabetes closed system insulin pump How to eat less and manage hunger? Holt satiety study in 1995 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/15701207_A_Satiety_Index_of_common_foods Carbs and fat together gives you the highest calorie intake HIs in-depth article on satiety https://optimisingnutrition.com/2018/10/09/calculating-satiety/ They have an app that helps you only by satiating foods in the grocery store Cian Foley has a book called Don’t Eat for Winter https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34616334-don-t-eat-for-winter?from_search=true Protein leverage hypothesis Nutrient leverage hypothesis Crops losing nutrition - USDA data shows nutrients going down as obesity goes up right at the point where Big Agriculture begins Vitamin A, B12, and protein levels dropped as we avoided animal foods We need mixed farming methods that include ruminants that put nutrients back in the soil Graph of highest and lowest intakes of food and macro ratios https://twitter.com/tednaiman/status/977992445387448320 Thermic Effect of Food (TEF) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_dynamic_action Unifying Theory of Nutrition Potato hack diet https://visualimpactfitness.com/potato-hack-for-rapid-fat-loss/ Holt study from 1995 plain baked potato had the most perceived satiety The potato hack and a juice fast may work temporarily but they are ill-advised Best thing to do is eat a nutrient dense diet - my view is that if you can gradually adjust your lifestyle and preferences towards this you never worry about counting calories or being hungry Marty notes the advantages of tracking and being mindful for many people Building positive habits around healthy choices when shopping or eating Watercress is at the top of his satiety and nutrient density data I’m developing a practical version of nutrient density and satiety focused foods that people can look at and make meal choices from it If we want to eat like (some) our ancestors (for some periods of history) and eat a carnivore diet, you need to actually eat like them by eating nose to tail Ideas on how our ancestors eating whole foods diets had well-formed jaws, wide dental arches, and great dental health (along with amazing health in general) His trip to Vanuatu and their amazing tasting, fresh food that they can’t really afford (or maybe prefer) so they sell it and then buy oreos and vegetable oil Dr. Gary Fettke has to go over there and amputate limbs due to the new epidemic of diabetes from these western foods He personally witnessed the striking difference between the people eating the modern foods and the isolated people eating the native whole foods - the isolated people had amazing teeth, well-formed jaws, and perfect health, while the ones in the main city were having a ton of problems Carbohydrate-insulin model of diabesity and the adipose centric model - see the graphic and the full article here https://optimisingnutrition.com/2018/05/03/ted-naimans-dam-fat-storage-insulinographic-explained/ Don’t overeat energy Can do ok on a bivalve plant based diet - still getting nutrient dense animal foods Personal fat threshold We can store a limited amount of protein and carbohydrate, but almost unlimited fat Professor Roy Taylor study - normal weight individuals with type 2 diabetes https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25515001 Thin on the Outside, Fat on the Inside (TOFI) - how do they get like this? One more description of the dam analogy (everyone should check out the full article linked above) Bolus vs. basal insulin in type 1 diabetics - why a low carb diet is good How to keep insulin in check in general - strength training, some HIIT His Nutrient Optimizer app and Never Hungry Diet app - free tools to help you eat more nutrient dense foods, fill in gaps in micronutrients you are lacking, and shop for more satiating foods while in the store https://nutrientoptimiser.com All of diet is so context specific, you can’t recommend just one way of eating He’s off to Low Carb Down Under to do a presentation on Satiety     Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post     Film site: http://FoodLies.org   YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies   Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com     Follow along:   http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg   http://instagram.com/food.lies   http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg     Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/

Gabor is a food scientist with a masters in molecular biology. He lives in Hungary and is one of these engineers slash scientists who I love talking to who look at nutrition differently. He has a very unique perspective because he works for a big food manufacturer that makes sugary syrups that he believes are harmful. It’s rare point of view. He’s spends almost all of his free time researching this stuff to help people understand how bad these processed foods actually are. He has a large community on facebook where he shares and discusses this information. He also has some great presentations he’s done you can find online. We recorded past midnight and I was losing steam at the end and didn’t continue the conversation much. He was talking about a really interesting topic though - the adipose centric model of diabetes. For a long time many people have been talking about the insulin-carbohydrate model of diabetes. There’s a lot to this subject and we’ll get more into it in the coming weeks. I have already recorded an episode covering more of this that will come out next week. It’s basically flipping our thoughts of insulin resistance around. The problems occur when you eat more than your personal fat threshold can take - whether it be carbs, fat, or protein. So the problem is your adipose tissue can’t properly store all the lipids. People start becoming insulin resistant because of their obesity (or overstuffed and inflamed fat cells), instead of becoming obese from the insulin resistance. This may be super boring and esoteric to some, but for others it will be super interesting. I personally am very into it. There’s a couple weeks left to support the Food Lies film on Indiegogo. Thanks so much - we couldn’t do it without you. Listener and crowd support is the only thing powering this film and podcast right now, so I really appreciate it. Now please listen to the wise words of Gabor Erdosi. http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post   Show Notes Gabor is a food scientist with a masters in molecular biology calling in from Hungary He works for a big food manufacturer making sugary syrups Asked to give a presentation on food processing and the short term metabolic effects https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rcfvRGZsDs Long term negative effects would have included seed oils but they only gave him 35 minutes People says processed carbs are bad but nobody asks why or how He doesn’t trust textbooks so he goes to original sources and studies He studied the digestive system, physiology, and mechanisms of how food is digested and the hormone responses If we eat evolutionary appropriate foods like meat, tubers, and berries, for example, the sensors in our small intestine and resulting hormone signaling is fine If we eat flour and ground starches it's very different and not fine But humans have been processing food for all of history? Looks at this with cooking of food vs. raw food, pre-digesting proteins Studies looking at eating a whole apple and a blended apple with all it’s pulp (not just the juice which would be different) - more glucose and insulin response to blended apple THings aren't the same once you break down the structure of the plant Questioning nutrition labels because of this After this surge of glucose, insulin dips below baseline a couple hours later and you become hypoglycemic. And then hungry. Studies show this is also when self-reported satiety kicks in As well as ghrelin surge (which is the hunger signaling hormone) Glycemic index and glycemic load can be thought of proxies for how processed something is or “lacking plant structure” This is why we get inconsistent studies when we use observational data using glycemic index or load as a proxy Fiber is a better indicator because usually these people aren't adding back in fiber - it means they are eating whole foods Also if you destroy the plant structure by processing then add fiber back in it’s not as good - you already destroyed the structure But some fiber is good that swell when you add them back because they increase the volume and slow the gastric emptying Simple message is it’s better to just eat plant foods in their whole form He also says it's safer to just eat animal foods - protein and fat - that don’t have these problems when processed Better to eat carbs at the end of the meal Better to eat slowly Rodent studies show they get more obese when they grind the normal chow Rodent studies are poorly done in general because the chow they use is highly processed with no real food ingredients Their synthetic diet also causes dysbiosis in their large intestine Gut permeability and small intestinal bacterial overgrowth (SIBO), etc. in humans Sometimes the body needs a small and purposeful inflammation In inflammatory disease it’s a chronic inflammation, not acute He does almost all animal foods plus some fruit because of his condition People don’t need to cut out all carbs, but it would be smart to do an elimination diet and add foods back in gradually to see what might be causing problems Not everyone needs to do low carb, some report doing very low fat helps type 2 diabetes This greatly reduces the need for insulin which is a partitioning fuel so you can still be pretty healthy even if you’re taking in a lot of carbs Needs to be really low though - less than 10% - so very few people can actually pull this off He can’t subsist on leaves and flowers and stalks, no thanks Killer combo of fat plus carbohydrate - what’s the mechanism? Fat and protein together take longer to digest, don’t cause the same big jump in hormonal release, and stimulate the receptors in the lower intestine as well - much more balanced GIP and GLP-1 are incretins - they stimulate your pancreas to release hormones You create an insulin and glucagon imbalance if you stimulate these hormones in an unbalanced way Fasted and fed state and metabolic regulation Sweet spot is to eat 1-3 meals per day Total insulin response lower with bigger meals Studies say best to limit your eating window to max 10 hours Autophagy and letting your body rest Microbiome - all the rage these days Study on mostly plant based diet and carnivore diet and microbiota We still don’t know how the microbiome works - just that your diet greatly affects it Rat studies aren’t conclusive for humans Problems with how we treat diabetes today - just the symptom, not underlying problem Type 2 diabetes is actually an adipose problem - can’t store lipids correctly More gut permeability and inflammation from refined foods The beer belly and visceral fat Tying together mechanisms of fatty liver from alcoholics and non-alcoholic sources Caveman check for foods: animals, berries, tubers, etc., not a wheat field Out of season fruit study with rats - not good to eat out of season it seems The answer to health is to reject the modern processed foods - both vegetarian/pecatarian and carnivore/keto/paleo people are doing that He’s going to be doing some more work with organizations soon to spread his learnings He has a closed Facebook group that is really active and interesting called Lower Insulin https://www.facebook.com/groups/198981013851366/   Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post   Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com   Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg   Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/