
Digital Fitness
Welcome to "Digital Fitness," the podcast that redefines a healthy digital existence. Join us as we delve into the art and science of utilizing digital tools not just effectively, but mindfully. Our expert guests, each a maestro in utilizing digital tools to their fullest potential, share their strategies to ensure your online activities enhance, rather than hinder, your work and well-being. Here, we dissect the methodologies to keep the digital chaos at bay, ensuring that your virtual interactions and explorations are always in peak condition. Tune in, and power up your digital life with a blend of expertise, clarity, and mindful action.
Latest episodes

Feb 18, 2025 • 1h 4min
Nicole van der Hoeven:"Your notes are the exhaust of learning"
Nicole van der Hoeven, a leading expert in personal knowledge management, shares her innovative ideas on 'learning exhaust'—the notion that notes are a byproduct of active learning. She encourages embracing chaos in knowledge management and overcoming perfectionism to boost creativity. Nicole discusses how public learning can combat imposter syndrome and foster community support. The conversation also highlights the importance of exploring various tools for flexibility and adaptability in our digital learning journeys.

Jan 31, 2025 • 1h 14min
Nick Milo: "I'm a Thing Finder"
In this episode of the Digital Fitness Podcast, hosts Lykle de Vries and co-founder Mark Meinema have a conversation with Nick Milo, a recognized expert in personal knowledge management and the mind behind Linking Your Thinking. Nick explains how a simple, practical approach to note-making can help you keep digital clutter in check and make sense of your ideas without fuss. He shares real-world techniques for connecting information and emphasizes a balance between structure and flexibility—without resorting to overcomplicated systems. This conversation looks at different ways to manage digital information and make note-making more effective, whether you're new to the concept or already have a system in place.Takeaways:Why note-making is more than just storing information—it's about thinking with your notes. How linking ideas actively creates meaning and helps uncover unexpected insights. The difference between note-making and note-taking, and why it matters. Why digital organization should focus on relationships between ideas rather than rigid structures. How personal knowledge management is not just a system, but a way to navigate complexity in work and life.

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Dec 9, 2024 • 1h 4min
Bob Doto: "Getting Lost Is a Feature, Not a Flaw”
In this episode of the Digital Fitness Podcast, host Lykle de Vries and co-founder Mark Meinema sit down with Bob Doto, author of A System for Writing and an expert in personal knowledge management, to explore the transformative role of Zettelkasten. Bob explains why getting lost in your notes is not a problem but a creative opportunity, how letting go of structure can spark new insights, and why a good system supports you without micromanaging your process. This conversation dives into the heart of creativity, making it a must-listen for anyone curious about rethinking how they organize ideas and information.Takeaways: • Embracing the power of “getting lost” in your notes. • Why Zettelkasten is about creativity, not perfection. • Practical first steps for starting your own Zettelkasten. • The difference between systems for storage and systems for discovery.And for those of you who want to do a truly deep dive into Zettelkasten and would like to make actual good use of their system for personal knowledge management: he’s organising a course on building and making good use of your Zettelkasten.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Digital Fitness02:37 Understanding Personal Knowledge Management06:03 Measuring Success in Personal Knowledge Management09:28 The Allure of Zettelkasten12:13 Writing as a Focus in PKM14:21 Translating PKM to Corporate Environments17:51 Defining Zettelkasten20:14 Digital Awareness and Information Skills25:22 Challenges in Education and PKM Adoption30:40 Practical Steps for Educators35:06 The Role of Education in Creativity37:52 Understanding Zettelkasten: A Practical Approach43:58 Overcoming Challenges in the Zettelkasten Process48:02 Starting with Zettelkasten: Baby Steps52:59 The Impact of AI on Knowledge Management54:58 Reflections on the Book and Its Reception

Mar 25, 2024 • 59min
Bianca Pereira:"Playing with knowledge"
In this engaging discussion, Bianca Pereira, a computer science researcher and PKM expert, shares her insights on digital fitness and personal knowledge management. She elaborates on the five essential pillars of digital fitness and emphasizes the importance of optimizing note-taking processes tailored to individual needs. Bianca warns against over-relying on AI in PKM, advocating for the necessity of human connection. She envisions a future where PKM integrates seamlessly into educational and professional settings, fostering critical thinking and creativity.

Mar 14, 2024 • 30min
Marie Poulin:"Messy thinking is actually very useful and important"
Marie Poulin discusses the concept of digital fitness, messy thinking, and the importance of choosing and sticking with tools. She shares her journey with digital tools, the use of AI in Notion, and managing ADHD with Notion. Marie emphasizes the value of finding the right combination of tools and personalizing digital fitness routines.

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Mar 12, 2024 • 53min
Anne-Laure le Cunff:"The perfect note-taking system is the one that works for you"
Exploring different note-taking archetypes like architect, gardener, and librarian. Understanding your preferred digital work style can be liberating. Discussing the balance between efficiency and perfection in digital systems. Replacing habits with nourishing behaviors for personal development. Introduction to the upcoming book on ambition and mental health.

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Dec 20, 2023 • 1h 20min
Tiago Fort:"shift your mindset from consuming information to creating something of value"
Explore how to shift focus from consuming information to creating valuable content with Tiago Forte. Learn about the intersection of personal knowledge management and digital fitness. Discover the journey from delayed start to entrepreneurship and the versatility of the Para Method. Embrace serendipity for creativity and navigate the evolution of digital tools for information management, including the impact of AI on personal note-taking.