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Dickens said, it was the best of the times, it was the worst of the times. The words have never been truer. Best because there’s never been a better time to be an entrepreneur. Worst because the clutter is mind-numbing. Founder Thesis breaks through the noise to bring you stories of success & failure, grit & struggle, bouquets & brickbats from some of the most brilliant entrepreneurs in India.
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Jul 25, 2025 • 1h 51min
How to Scale Food Like Software - And Still Make Money | Jaydeep Barman (Rebel Foods)
"I have this fundamental belief that you make abnormal returns not when you are right but when people don't agree with you." This contrarian mindset from Jaydeep Barman perfectly captures how Rebel Foods built a $1.4 billion unicorn by doing what everyone thought was impossible: decoupling restaurant brands from physical real estate. Jaydeep Barman is the Co-founder and Group CEO of Rebel Foods, the world's largest internet restaurant platform operating 450+ cloud kitchens across 100+ cities in three countries. Under his leadership, the company processes 3 million orders monthly, generates ₹1,800+ crores in annual revenue, and achieved unicorn status at a $1.4 billion valuation. A former McKinsey Associate Partner with an MBA from INSEAD, Jaydeep pioneered the multi-brand cloud kitchen model that revolutionized how restaurants operate. In this candid conversation with host Akshay Datt, he shares the journey from a failed Kolkata roll startup to building a category-defining global company. Key Insights from the Conversation: 👉Contrarian Strategy: Being misunderstood by competitors created a protective moat during Rebel's early growth years 👉Cloud Kitchen Economics: 12-15 month payback periods with 25-30% monthly profits, dramatically better than traditional restaurants 👉Multi-Brand Innovation: Single kitchens operating 15+ brands simultaneously, maximizing asset utilization 👉Technology Moat: Proprietary Rebel OS automates cooking processes, ensuring consistency across hundreds of locations 👉Global Expansion: Strategic approach to international markets, focusing on structural advantages rather than rapid scaling 👉People Philosophy: Hiring for "founder mentality" over CVs, creating an intentionally "abnormal" company culture#CloudKitchen #StartupFounder #FoodTech #Unicorn #RebelFoods #EntrepreneurJourney #StartupStrategy #FoodDelivery #BusinessModel #StartupPodcast #FounderStory #IndianStartups #RestaurantTech #VentureCapital #BusinessStrategy #Entrepreneurship #StartupLessons Disclaimer: The views expressed are those of the speaker, not necessarily the channel

Jul 18, 2025 • 2h 2min
Beyond Chatbots: How AI Agents Are Transforming Business | Rajesh Sinha (Fulcrum Digital)
How do you build a $100 million enterprise tech company - without raising a single dollar from venture capital? In this episode, host Akshay Datt speaks to Rajesh Sinha, Founder of Fulcrum Digital and Culinary Digital, shares his remarkable story of scaling two global businesses to ~$100M ARR - fully bootstrapped. From building a customer-funded SaaS + services hybrid model to leading the shift toward autonomous AI agents, Rajesh reveals his frameworks for disciplined growth, tech innovation, and global expansion. He also unpacks how AI agents - powered by SLMs (Small Language Models), governed by secure enterprise frameworks, and orchestrated via Fulcrum's proprietary FT Rise platform - are set to reshape the future of business software. Whether you're a startup founder, enterprise AI strategist, or services operator, this conversation is packed with insight on how to scale without capital, differentiate in crowded markets, and win in the age of AI. Key Topics Covered: 👉How to bootstrap a $100M SaaS and digital services company 👉The evolution of Fulcrum through 5 tech eras: Web 1.0 → AI economy 👉Why vertical and horizontal AI agents are the future of work 👉How Fulcrum is using SLMs vs LLMs for cost-effective AI delivery 👉The mechanics of AI agent governance, pricing, and orchestration 👉Fulcrum’s global delivery model: India, Brazil, Argentina, and beyond 👉Navigating enterprise sales, customer concentration risk, and culture 👉Why Rajesh now sees the value of investors - but didn’t need them #BootstrappedStartup #AIAgents #DigitalTransformation #TechEntrepreneur #StartupGrowth #CustomerFunding #IntelligenceAmplification #PlatformBusiness #EnterpriseAI #FounderThesis #TechServices #ScalingWithoutVC #AIStrategy #BusinessAutomation #TechLeadership #StartupPodcast #Entrepreneurship #SaaS #GlobalBusiness #techinnovation Disclaimer: The views expressed are those of the speaker, not necessarily the channel

Jul 11, 2025 • 2h 16min
Understanding Private Credit, AIFs & Startup Financing | Vinod Murali (Alteria Capital)
"Venture debt is like an umbrella - you buy it before it starts raining, because once it starts raining, everything becomes expensive." This analogy perfectly captures the strategic timing required for startup capital - smart founders raise debt when they don't need it, not when they're desperate. Vinod Murali is the Co-founder and Managing Partner of Alteria Capital, India's largest venture debt fund managing ₹4,500 crores across multiple funds. Widely recognized as the pioneer of venture debt in India, he has over 17 years of experience in the space and has personally backed more than 220 startups including unicorns like Spinny, Rebel Foods, Country Delight, and OneCard. His firm has deployed over ₹7,500 crores to date, making him one of the most influential figures in Indian startup financing. Before founding Alteria, Vinod spent nearly a decade building India's first venture debt business at Silicon Valley Bank and later InnoVen Capital. Key Insights: 👉Private Credit Evolution: Venture debt sits within the ₹2 trillion private credit ecosystem, filling the gap between traditional banking and equity financing 👉Indian Market Adaptation: India required a complete rewrite of the Silicon Valley venture debt model due to its execution-heavy versus IP-heavy nature 👉Risk Framework: Successful venture debt relies on evaluating four key risks - selection, performance, payment, and resolution 👉Capital Timing Strategy: The best time to raise debt is when you don't need it, not during crisis situations 👉Portfolio Performance: Alteria has achieved less than 0.5% losses across their ₹7,500 crore deployment 👉Regulatory Arbitrage: The shift from NBFC to AIF structure unlocked better capital access and tax efficiency for venture debt funds#VentureDebt #StartupFunding #IndianStartups #PrivateCredit #StartupCapital #VentureCapital #AlteriaCapital #StartupAdvice #Entrepreneurship #StartupStrategy #VinodMurali #FounderThesis #AkshayDatt #StartupFinance #VentureFinancing #StartupEcosystem #BusinessStrategy #StartupGrowth #FinancialStrategy #startuppodcast Disclaimer: The views expressed are those of the speaker, not necessarily the channel.

Jul 4, 2025 • 2h 1min
Building a World-Class IT Services Business | Kalyan (QualiZeal)
In this powerful episode of Founder Thesis, host Akshay Datt speaks with Kalyan Rao Konda, Co - founder of QualiZeal, a quality engineering firm transforming how global companies approach software testing and quality assurance. With over two decades of experience in QA, Kalyan shares his journey - from the early days of reactive testing to today’s proactive, “shift-left” quality engineering model. He unpacks what it takes to build a world-class IT services company, grounded in deep client-centricity, employee empowerment, and a willingness to sacrifice short-term wins for long-term trust. We also explore how AI is revolutionizing software testing, including: 👉How QualiZeal’s proprietary “Humanities AI” platform augments engineers (not replaces them) 👉Solving modern QA challenges like AI hallucinations 👉Improving productivity by 25–30% with AI co-pilots Kalyan candidly breaks down the economics of IT services-from pricing, utilization, and accelerators to gross margins and client segmentation. He explains why value buyers win, how accelerators and COEs give firms a strategic edge, and how to stand out in a crowded, commoditized market. For aspiring entrepreneurs, Kalyan offers hard-won insights on: 👉Founding a company at 45 👉Sales strategies that emphasize relationships (“People buy from people”) 👉Navigating legal challenges while scaling 👉Finding your niche and staying the course This is a must-watch for anyone building in quality engineering, IT services, AI-powered testing, or enterprise SaaS. #QualityEngineering #SoftwareTesting #AIinQA #ShiftLeftTesting #QAPlatform #FounderThesis #ITServicesBusiness #EnterpriseSaaS #StartupJourney #SoftwareQuality #AIinSoftwareTesting #ClientCentricity #HumanitiesAI #BusinessOfQA #Entrepreneurship #FounderthesisDisclaimer: The views expressed are those of the speaker, not necessarily the channel.

Jun 27, 2025 • 2h 11min
India's IT Infra Leap: Data Centers, Cloud, AI & What's Next | A S Rajgopal (NxtGen)
"Each rack can deliver 2 crores of revenue versus 6 lakh rupees from data centers." This striking comparison from A.S. Rajgopal reveals why cloud services generate 10x more revenue per rack than traditional data center hosting - a fundamental shift that's reshaping India's digital infrastructure landscape. A.S. Rajgopal is the Managing Director & CEO of NxtGen Cloud Technologies, one of India's leading sovereign cloud providers. With nearly 30 years of corporate experience at Dell, Microsoft, and Reliance Communications, he built and led Reliance's enterprise division to over ₹1000 crores in revenue. Since founding NxtGen in 2012, he has grown it to serve 1000+ organizations with a 44% EBITDA margin and 24% year-on-year growth from existing customers alone. An alumnus of Kellogg and Yale executive programs, Rajgopal is now raising $400 million to build India's largest AI GPU infrastructure, positioning NxtGen at the forefront of India's digital sovereignty movement. Key Insights from the Conversation: 👉Data Sovereignty: Indian enterprises are shifting from cost-focused to compliance-focused cloud adoption due to data localization requirements and foreign jurisdiction risks 👉Infrastructure Evolution: AI workloads require 10x more power density (100-600 kilowatts per rack) compared to traditional servers, demanding complete data center redesign 👉Business Model Transformation: Cloud services generate 10x revenue per rack compared to traditional data center hosting while requiring higher but more profitable investments 👉Open Source Strategy: Leveraging Red Hat OpenStack/OpenShift reduces customer costs by 10x compared to proprietary platforms while maintaining enterprise-grade capabilities 👉India AI Opportunity: The government's ₹10,000 crore AI initiative creates a ₹20,000 crore market opportunity for sovereign GPU cloud providers#DataCenter #CloudComputing #AIInfrastructure #DigitalIndia #Entrepreneurship #TechFounder #SovereignCloud #GPUCloud #IndiaAI #Datacenter #CloudServices #TechEntrepreneur #DigitalTransformation #AIRevolution #TechInfrastructure #IndianStartups #EnterpriseCloud #TechLeadership #FounderStory #CloudStrategy #AIComputing #TechInnovation #DigitalSovereignty #CloudInfrastructure #TechPodcast

Jun 20, 2025 • 2h 1min
Cracking India's Beverage Market with Beer & Kombucha | Ishan Varshnei(Latambarcem Brewers)
"Craft does not define size... craft is defined by technique, innovation, and quality." This insight from Ishan Varshnei challenges the common misconception that craft businesses can't scale. His scientific approach to brewing has proven that maintaining artisanal quality while achieving commercial scale is not just possible, but profitable. Ishan Varshnei is the CEO of Latambarcem Brewers, housing craft beer brand Maka Di and functional beverage brand Borécha. He has built a dual-brand beverage empire generating ₹30 crores annual run rate, with 80 lakhs monthly revenue from kombucha alone and 400% projected growth this year. After bootstrapping with ₹25 crores family funding for 4 years, he raised ₹12.5 crores in Pre-Series A and is targeting ₹500 crores revenue within 5 years. Ishan holds advanced degrees in Nanoengineering from UC San Diego and Materials Science from Columbia University, and previously worked as a Business Analyst at a Blackstone portfolio fund. Key Insights from the Conversation: 👉Product-First Philosophy: Spending only 10% on marketing vs competitors' 40-50%, focusing on product excellence over promotion 👉Regulatory Navigation: Successfully operating across multiple Indian states with varying alcohol policies and taxation structures 👉Scientific Innovation: Developing patented SCOBY technology for kombucha using metagenomics and 16S rRNA sequencing 👉Sustainable Growth: Building profitable unit economics before scaling with external capital👉Distribution Mastery: Achieving 30% revenue from quick commerce and 30% from institutional sales within 6 months 👉Family Funding Dynamics: Leveraging family investment for patient capital and long-term vision alignment#BrewingBusiness #BeverageStartup #FermentationInnovation #IndianEntrepreneurs #StartupJourney #BootstrappedToFunded #QuickCommerce #FounderStory #FounderThesis Disclaimer: The views expressed are those of the speaker, not necessarily the channel.

Jun 13, 2025 • 2h 12min
What Does It Take to Scale a Hardware Startup in India? Amit Gupta (Yulu) Has the Answers
"We have zero customer acquisition cost with a hardware business." This seemingly impossible statement from Amit Gupta reveals a counterintuitive truth: asset-heavy businesses can create stronger competitive moats than asset-light ones. While Silicon Valley preaches software scalability, Amit proved that owning physical infrastructure can lead to supply-constrained growth where customers queue up for your product. Amit Gupta is the Co-founder and CEO of Yulu, India's largest shared electric mobility platform with 45,000+ vehicles facilitating over 80 million rides and 20+ million monthly deliveries. Previously, he co-founded InMobi, one of India's first profitable unicorns valued at $1+ billion, where he drove global expansion across 70+ countries and helped build a $200 million revenue business. From mobile advertising networks to electric vehicle fleets, Amit has mastered the art of building category-defining companies in completely different industries. Key Insights from the Conversation: 👉Asset-Heavy Advantage: Physical infrastructure creates defensible moats that digital competitors cannot easily replicate 👉Supply Constraint Strategy: Being supply-constrained with high demand beats demand-constrained growth models 👉EBITDA vs EBIT: Understanding the financial progression from operational profitability to full profitability in asset-heavy businesses 👉Purpose-Built Design: Custom-designed vehicles for commercial use achieve 10x better unit economics than generic products 👉Regulatory Arbitrage: Strategic product design around regulations (sub-25kmph) expanded addressable market significantly 👉Second-Time Founder Lessons: Technology focus vs business expansion - applying learnings across different industries 👉Zero CAC Achievement: Network effects in physical infrastructure leading to organic customer acquisition Chapters: 0:00:00 - Introduction: From Family Business to Tech Entrepreneur 0:18:32 - Early Career: Software to Banking to Startups 0:26:36 - M-Khoj: SMS Search to Mobile Internet Pioneer 0:49:22 - InMobi Success: Building India's First Profitable Unicorn 1:07:21 - Glance Innovation: Lock Screen Revolution Within InMobi 1:17:37 - Yulu Genesis: Personal Traffic Frustration to Mobility Mission 1:25:28 - Product Evolution: Bicycles to Electric Vehicles Pivot 1:39:14 - Technology Deep Dive: IoT, Predictive Maintenance & Security 1:51:52 - Business Model: Asset-Heavy Strategy & Unit Economics 2:12:14 - Scaling Strategy: Direct Operations vs Franchise Model 2:24:51 - Second-Time Founder Wisdom: Key Transferable Lessons #ElectricVehicles #SharedMobility #StartupIndia #Unicorn #AssetHeavy #Hardware #IoT #UrbanMobility #Sustainability #SecondTimeFounder #Entrepreneurship #TechStartups #MobilityTech #IndianStartups #VentureCapital #Scaling #ZeroCAC #SupplyConstrained #RegulatoryStrategy #PhysicalInfrastructure #EntrepreneurAdvice #startuplessons Disclaimer: The views expressed are those of the speaker, not necessarily the channel.

Jun 6, 2025 • 2h 22min
The Story Behind UPI, And What's Next: ONDC, BBPS & ULI with Deepak Thakur (NPST)
"When UPI happened, it was like, very clear now, this is something that will change everything." This powerful statement from Deepak Chand Thakur encapsulates the monumental shift the Unified Payments Interface has brought to India's financial landscape. It wasn't just another payment system; it was a revolution that reshaped commerce, financial access, and technological innovation —a revolution that Deepak and NPST have been at the heart of. Deepak Chand Thakur is the Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of Network People Services Technologies Ltd. (NPST). He has guided NPST from a bootstrapped startup to a publicly listed entity on the mainboards of the National Stock Exchange (NSE) and Bombay Stock Exchange (BSE). Under his leadership, NPST achieved FY24 revenues of ₹130.08 crore, a 216% year-on-year increase, and a net profit surging by 310% to ₹26.71 crore. The company's SME IPO in 2021, which Deepak recounts was valued at ₹50 crore, saw it deliver approximately 9000% returns to its early investors and reach a peak market capitalization of around ₹5000 crore. Key Insights from the Conversation: 👉UPI's Genesis & Evolution: A deep dive into how UPI was conceived, its evolution from IMPS, and why it became a uniquely successful global model for digital payments. 👉NPST's Role in UPI: How NPST became a crucial technology service provider, bridging the gap between NPCI and banks to facilitate UPI adoption and build scalable solutions. 👉The Tech Behind Scale: Understanding the microservices architecture NPST employs to handle massive transaction volumes, like processing over 5.5 crore transactions daily for a single banking partner. 👉Innovation Beyond MDR: How the absence of Merchant Discount Rate (MDR) on UPI payments spurred innovation towards creating value-added services and new revenue models. 👉JAM Trinity's Impact: The foundational role of Jan Dhan-Aadhaar-Mobile (JAM) in creating the digital backbone that enabled UPI's widespread success in India. 👉Future of Payments: Exploring what's next after UPI, including digital currency (e₹), ONDC, and BBPS. Chapters: 00:00:49 - Introduction: Deepak's Journey to Becoming a Fintech Founder 00:07:36 - Understanding NPCI and India's Early Payment Ecosystem 00:15:11 - NPST's Bootstrapping Strategy & Early Days Before UPI 00:22:33 - The UPI Revolution: Impact and NPST's Pivot 00:39:14 - Deep Dive: UPI Architecture, Evolution from IMPS & Global Uniqueness 01:07:07 - The Business of UPI: No MDR, Scarcity Driving Innovation 01:19:01 - UPI Going Global & The Foundational JAM Trinity 01:32:55 - Beyond UPI: Exploring BBPS, ONDC & Account Aggregators 01:53:31 - NPST's Business Model in the UPI Era: PPaaS & Value Creation 02:03:48 - The NPST IPO Journey: Fueled by Fintech Growth 02:14:37 - Life After IPO & The Future of Digital Payments in India #UPI #FounderThesis #DigitalIndia #FintechIndia #PaymentsRevolution #NPCI #DigitalPayments #MakeInIndia #StartupIndia #TechInnovation #IndianFintech #Innovation #DigitalTransformation #PaymentGateway #Fintech

May 30, 2025 • 2h 3min
A Founder & VC's Roadmap to Scaling | Rohit M A (PeerCapital & Cloudnine)
"The sooner you can get to a level where you can actually make yourself redundant, I think that's when you start building an institution." This powerful insight from Rohit M A encapsulates a core theme of our conversation: sustainable growth isn't just about a visionary founder, but about building systems and teams that can thrive independently. It’s about transitioning from being the indispensable force to the architect of an enduring enterprise. Rohit M A is the Managing Partner at PeerCapital, an early-stage tech-native venture capital fund. Before co-founding PeerCapital, he was instrumental in scaling Cloudnine Group of Hospitals from a single unit to a national leader with 42 locations and revenues exceeding ₹1200 crores. With over 23 years of entrepreneurial and management experience, and having angel invested in 70-75 companies, Rohit brings a deep operator's perspective to venture investing. PeerCapital's first fund is close to $40 million, focusing on "consumption enablers" and providing "valuable capital" to founders. Key Insights from the Conversation: 👉The Operator-to-VC Journey: Understanding the mindset shift and challenges when transitioning from building a company to funding many. 👉Scaling with Process & Data: How establishing robust processes and leveraging data were critical to massive growth, moving beyond founder-led decisions. 👉"Valuable Capital": PeerCapital's thesis on providing more than just money – offering strategic, operational, and intellectual support. 👉Fundraising Realities: The candid truth about how difficult fundraising is, both for founders seeking capital and VCs raising funds from LPs. 👉Institutionalizing a Business: The importance of professional management, board governance, and preparing a company for long-term success, including being public-listing ready. 👉Focus on the Problem: Why VCs (and founders) should obsess over the problem being solved rather than getting fixated on a single solution. Chapters: 00:00:00 - Introduction: Rohit M A's Entrepreneurial Path 00:02:13 - The Genesis & Early Vision of Cloudnine Hospitals 00:10:03 - Scaling Cloudnine: From 1 to 42 Hospitals & Key Metrics 00:17:00 - Transitioning to Professional Management & Making Yourself Redundant 00:52:46 - Leveraging Data & Technology for Operational Excellence 01:10:45 - The Cloudnine Fundraising Journey: From VCs to Private Equity 01:24:23 - The Shift to Venture Capital: Founding PeerCapital 01:26:34 - PeerCapital's Investment Thesis: "Valuable Capital" & Founder Fit 01:33:04 - The Surprising Realities & Challenges of Running a VC Firm 01:49:17 - How PeerCapital Evaluates Startups for Investment 02:00:47 - What Kind of Founders Should Approach PeerCapital? #FounderThesis #VentureCapital #StartupIndia #Entrepreneurship #ScalingBusiness #HealthcareInnovation #TechInvestment #OperatorVC #StartupFunding #BuildingInstitutions #LeadershipLessons #IndianStartups #VCInsights #FounderJourney

May 23, 2025 • 1h 44min
Deals to Degrees: Serial Entrepreneur Ashish Munjal's journey from Crown It to Sunstone
"Founders often wear a mask of 'irrational optimism' for their team; a necessary front when leading through uncertainty." This insight from Ashish Munjal delves into the often unspoken psychological aspect of entrepreneurship, where maintaining a strong, positive exterior is crucial for team morale and navigating the startup journey's inherent challenges, even when founders internally grapple with difficulties. Ashish Munjal is the Co-Founder & CEO of Sunstone, one of India's leading higher education service providers. Recognized in the Times 40 under 40 (2022), he is steering Sunstone to impact nearly 20,000 students across 14 cities and over 27 colleges, with projected gross sales of around ₹300 crore by the end of the year discussed in the podcast. His mission is to make quality, job-oriented higher education accessible, particularly for students in Tier II & III cities. Key Insights from the Conversation: 👉Viral Growth & Engagement: How Crown It achieved massive user engagement (50% MTU/MAU) with near-zero paid marketing, relying heavily on organic referrals. 👉Bold Business Models: The strategic thinking behind Sunstone's initial "Pay After Placement" model to build trust and cut through market clutter. 👉The Power of Pivots: Lessons from Crown It's evolution (deals to data monetization, then enterprise) and Sunstone's strategic shifts (like removing pay-after-placement for UG courses) for long-term sustainability. 👉Offline-First in EdTech: How Sunstone's offline-centric approach proved resilient and attractive to investors, especially when the online EdTech wave faced scrutiny. 👉AI in Operations: Practical examples of how AI is already being used at Sunstone for lead qualification, CV automation, and even creating initial drafts of educational content. Chapters: 00:00:00 - Introduction: The Entrepreneurial Itch 00:01:49 - The Crown It Journey: Building a Viral Deals App & Growth Hacks 00:15:35 - Challenges of Gamified Rewards & Why Crown It Pivoted 00:40:47 - The Shift to Education: Identifying the Core Problem for Sunstone 00:48:44 - Sunstone's Innovative Higher Education Model 00:56:19 - "Pay After Placement" & Navigating Sunstone's Early Challenges 01:06:56 - Sunstone's Unique Operations: The University Track vs. Sunstone Track 01:13:18 - Cracking Student Acquisition & The "Easier" Part: Placements 01:23:08 - Funding Journey: Navigating EdTech Investor Waves 01:27:48 - Lessons as a Two-Time Founder & Angel Investing Thesis 01:38:10 - Signalling Credibility to Investors: Early Stage vs. Series A 01:42:52 - AI in Action: Automating Operations & Replacing Resources #FounderThesis #EdTechIndia #HigherEducation #StartupIndia #Entrepreneurship #IndianStartups #SerialEntrepreneur #StartupLessons #GrowthHacking #EdTechTrends #BusinessPivots #VentureCapital #AIinBusiness #Podcast #InnovationInEducation #leadershipjourney Disclaimer: The views expressed are those of the speaker, not necessarily the channel.