
Profound
Ramblings about W. Edwards Deming in the digital transformation era. The general idea of the podcast is derived from Dr. Demming's seminal work described in his New Economics book - System of Profound Knowledge ( SoPK ). We'll try and get a mix of interviews from IT, Healthcare, and Manufacturing with the goal of aligning these ideas with Digital Transformation possibilities. Everything related to Dr. Deming's ideas is on the table (e.g., Goldratt, C.I. Lewis, Ohno, Shingo, Lean, Agile, and DevOps).
Latest episodes

Feb 17, 2022 • 50min
Profound - Dr Deming - S2 E6 - John Hunter - Curious Cat (Part 1)
This is part 1 of a two-part episode with John Hunter. John Hunter's background includes two areas of focus: management improvement and information technology program management. His experience is in improving the performance of organizations. For the last 15 years, his focus has been on management improvement with a concentration on using technology to aid this process. LinkedinCurious CatJohnhunter.comHere are some links John sent me. Sales Commissions https://deming.org/eliminate-sales-commissions-reject-theory-x-management-and-embrace-systems-thinking/ (including why Fog Creek Software got rid of sales commissions) Why ThoughtWorks Eliminated Sales Commissions https://deming.org/why-thoughtworks-eliminated-sales-commisions/ https://deming.org/eliminating-sales-commissions-at-air-force-one/The System of Profound Knowledge Applied to Sales and Marketing (presentations at Deming Institute) https://deming.org/the-system-of-profound-knowledge-applied-to-sales-and-marketing/Related Material: https://management.curiouscatblog.net/2010/01/28/the-trouble-with-incentives-they-work/The Existing Management Conditions Limit How Effective New Strategies Will Be https://deming.org/the-existing-management-conditions-limit-how-effective-new-strategies-will-be/ (with related links including ) https://management.curiouscatblog.net/2010/12/08/building-adoption-of-management-improvement-ideas-in-your-organization/ )

Feb 17, 2022 • 41min
Profound - Dr Deming - S2 E7 - John Hunter - Curious Cat (Part 2)
This is part 2 of a two-part episode with John Hunter. John Hunter's background includes two areas of focus: management improvement and information technology program management. His experience is in improving the performance of organizations. For the last 15 years, his focus has been on management improvement with a concentration on using technology to aid this process.LinkedinCurious CatJohnhunter.comHere are some links John sent me.Sales Commissions https://deming.org/eliminate-sales-commissions-reject-theory-x-management-and-embrace-systems-thinking/ (including why Fog Creek Software got rid of sales commissions)Why ThoughtWorks Eliminated Sales Commissionshttps://deming.org/why-thoughtworks-eliminated-sales-commisions/https://deming.org/eliminating-sales-commissions-at-air-force-one/The System of Profound Knowledge Applied to Sales and Marketing (presentations at Deming Institute) https://deming.org/the-system-of-profound-knowledge-applied-to-sales-and-marketing/Related Material:https://management.curiouscatblog.net/2010/01/28/the-trouble-with-incentives-they-work/The Existing Management Conditions Limit How Effective New Strategies Will Be https://deming.org/the-existing-management-conditions-limit-how-effective-new-strategies-will-be/(with related links including )https://management.curiouscatblog.net/2010/12/08/building-adoption-of-management-improvement-ideas-in-your-organization/ )

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Feb 7, 2022 • 1h 7min
Profound - Dr Deming - E2 S5- Gene Kim- Socio-Technical Maestros
Topics discussed include the impact of influential figures in the DevOps field, achieving high performance through organizational simplicity, communication in high-stress environments, efficiency through single piece flow, Amazon's organizational paradigm, and the role of a socio-technical maestro.

Feb 3, 2022 • 55min
Profound - Dr Deming - S2 E4- Bill Bensing- Supply Chain and Security
In this episode, Bill and I discuss operations research and supply chain concepts and how they apply to security. Bill gives an overview of his work with DOD on project DEDSORD. He also gives a great overview of DevOps Automated Governance and usage of Sigstore. We also touch on SBOM's. Bill can be found mainly on LinkedIn here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/billbensing/

Jan 30, 2022 • 42min
Profound - Dr Deming - S2 E3 - Chris Roberts - The Hacker Mentality
Chris Roberts is my guest on this episode. I have had the privilege of getting to know him over the past few years. I find him fascinating to talk with. Chris describes himself as a ... Hacker, InfoSec, Safety, Cyberstuff Researcher, Advisor, @Hacknotcrime henchman, and various other names in the technical world. Chris serves as a vCISO or advisor for several entities worldwide. We discuss his background and how our industry may have lost its soul. This episode is definitely worth listening to. Chris can be found at the following places:Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sidragon1/Twitter: @Sidragon1

Jan 27, 2022 • 39min
Profound - Dr Deming - S2 E2 - Jesse Getzie - It's Ok To Be Not Ok (Part 2)
We discuss burnout in this episode (part 2). Jesse Getzie shares some of his recent "serious" burnout struggles. Burnout is a major problem in our industry. If Dr. Deming was alive today, I believe he would be a strong advocate for helping people understand this silent killer. If you need to reach us, Jesse and I are just a tweet, email, or phone call away.Jesse can be found at: Email: jgetzie@gmail.com Twitter: @jessgetzieLinkedin: jessegetzie Here's a list of some burnout resources.National Suicide Prevention Lifelinehttps://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ Emotions Anonymoushttps://emotionsanonymous.org/ National Alliance on Mental Healthhttps://nami.org/Home Open Sourcing Mental Illnesshttps://osmihelp.org/ Karōjisatsu — Death From Overworkhttps://itrevolution.com/karojisatsu/Burnout in Information Securityhttp://www.slideshare.net/secburnout/burnout-in-information-securityBurnout and post-traumatic stress disorder: Dr. Geri Puleo atTEDxSetonHillUniversityhttps://youtu.be/hFkI69zJzLIUnderstanding Burnout," Prof. Christina Maslach (U.C. Berkeley)https://youtu.be/4kLPyV8lBbsMaslach Burnout Inventoryhttp://www.mindgarden.com/117-maslach-burnout-inventory REVERSING BURNOUT: How to rekindle your passion for your workhttp://www.choixdecarriere.com/pdf/6573/Maslach_Leiter(2005).pdfDepressionI had a black dog, his name was depressionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiCrniLQGYcLiving With a Black Doghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VRRx7Mtep8Stress and Depression - A taboo in our timehttps://vimeo.com/channels/lascot14/106927863Feeling Good – The New Mood Therapyhttp://feelinggood.com/books/

Jan 27, 2022 • 35min
Profound - Dr Deming S2 E1 - Jesse Getzie - It's Ok To Be Not Ok (Part 1)
We discuss burnout in this episode (part 1). Jesse Getzie shares some of his recent "serious" burnout struggles. Burnout is a major problem in our industry. If Dr. Deming was alive today, I believe he would be a strong advocate for helping people understand this silent killer. If you need to reach us, Jesse and I are just a tweet, email, or phone call away. Jesse can be found at: Email: jgetzie@gmail.com Twitter: @jessgetzieLinkedin: jessegetzie Here's a list of some burnout resources.National Suicide Prevention Lifelinehttps://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ Emotions Anonymoushttps://emotionsanonymous.org/ National Alliance on Mental Healthhttps://nami.org/Home Open Sourcing Mental Illnesshttps://osmihelp.org/ Karōjisatsu — Death From Overworkhttps://itrevolution.com/karojisatsu/Burnout in Information Securityhttp://www.slideshare.net/secburnout/burnout-in-information-security Burnout and post-traumatic stress disorder: Dr. Geri Puleo atTEDxSetonHillUniversityhttps://youtu.be/hFkI69zJzLIUnderstanding Burnout," Prof. Christina Maslach (U.C. Berkeley)https://youtu.be/4kLPyV8lBbsMaslach Burnout Inventoryhttp://www.mindgarden.com/117-maslach-burnout-inventory REVERSING BURNOUT: How to rekindle your passion for your workhttp://www.choixdecarriere.com/pdf/6573/Maslach_Leiter(2005).pdfDepressionI had a black dog, his name was depressionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiCrniLQGYcLiving With a Black Doghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VRRx7Mtep8Stress and Depression - A taboo in our timehttps://vimeo.com/channels/lascot14/106927863Feeling Good – The New Mood Therapyhttp://feelinggood.com/books/

Dec 19, 2021 • 1h
Profound - Dr Deming - Episode 28- Andrew Clay Shafer - Organizational Learning
I get to chat with Andrew Clay Shafer in this episode. Andrew was one of the original pioneers of the DevOps movement. His presentation titled "There Is No Talent Shortage" has always been one of my favorite DevOps presentations. We talked about Andrew's background and how he got into Dr. Deming. He also spoke about his ideas about learning organizations and other interesting topics. It was a great way to end the season. For many years, Andrew has been a mentor and a friend to me.

Dec 18, 2021 • 54min
Profound - Dr Deming - Episode 27- Tom Geraghty- Phycological Safety
I talked with Tom Geraghty in session. Physiological safety is Tom's passion. He tells me a bit about his journey with Dr. Deming. After that, we dive deep into the topic of physiological safety. It was a great session. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. Tom’s Websitehttps://tomgeraghty.co.uk/

Dec 16, 2021 • 7min
Profound - Dr Deming - Episode 29 - 2021 Year End Wrap Up
This podcast is the last podcast of 2021 and marks the end of season #1. I do a quick overview and review of the podcast over the year. I wanted to thank the following guests: Ben Rockwood (@benr)Doris QuinnMary and Tom Poppendieck (@mpoppendieck)Jeffrey Fredrick (@Jtf)George Dekker (@GeorgeDekker)Dr. Steven Spear (@StevenJSpear)Courtney Kissler (@chawklady)Josh Corman (@joshcorman)Kevin Behr (@kevinbehr)Elisabeth Hendrickson (@testobsessed)harper (@harper)Carmen DeArdo Dennis Schlagheck Glenn Wilson (@GlennDynaminet)Mark Burgess (@markburgess_osl)John Waraniak (@JohnWaraniak)Steve Pereira (@SteveElsewhere)Jabe Bloom (@cyetain)Paula Thrasher (@paula_thrasher)Dominica DeGrandis (@dominicad)Laksh Raghavan (@laraghavan)Tom Geraghty (@tom_geraghty)Andrew Clay Shafer (@littleidea)