

Profound
John Willis
Ramblings about W. Edwards Deming in the digital transformation era. The general idea of the podcast is derived from Dr. Demming's seminal work described in his New Economics book - System of Profound Knowledge ( SoPK ). We'll try and get a mix of interviews from IT, Healthcare, and Manufacturing with the goal of aligning these ideas with Digital Transformation possibilities. Everything related to Dr. Deming's ideas is on the table (e.g., Goldratt, C.I. Lewis, Ohno, Shingo, Lean, Agile, and DevOps).
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Oct 18, 2022 • 52min
S2 E10 - Dave Mangot - DevOps Old School
Dave and I have a long history together. Besides being one of the DevOps OG's (did I say that right?) Dave has also been a fan of Dr. Deming for many years and came on the podcast to let me know about his consulting work and Deming's principles. Dave specializes in DevOps and private equity. When I hang out with Dave, I always have a great time. You can find him at:https://www.linkedin.com/in/dmangot/

Mar 8, 2022 • 55min
Profound - Dr Deming - S2 E9 - Rob England - The Original Skeptic
Rob and I go old school in this episode. We had first met back in my early days before DevOps when I used to run a Tivoli consulting business. Rob describes how he used Dr. Deming's principles in his consulting work. Rob works alongside Dr. Cherry Vu and describes himself as a Teal Unicorn. LinkedIn and Twitter are the best places to find Rob and Cherry's ideas and work.https://www.linkedin.com/in/robenglandattwohillshttps://twitter.com/rob_england

Feb 22, 2022 • 1h 7min
Profound - Dr Deming - S2 E8 - Domenico Lepore - Deming and Goldratt
Dominico Lepore developed the Decalogue™ management methodology together with Oded Cohen, a leading, world-renowned expert in The Theory of Constraints. One of the first books I read about Dr. Deming is his "Deming and Goldratt: The Theory of Constraints and the System of Profound Knowledge." In this episode, we cover everything from Dr. Deming's empathy to how the Talmud explains of Theory of Constraints. If you stick around long enough we discuss Umberto Eco. Intelligent Managementhttps://www.intelligentmanagement.ws/Ess3ntial: a tool with a missionhttps://ess3ntial.com/

Feb 17, 2022 • 41min
Profound - Dr Deming - S2 E7 - John Hunter - Curious Cat (Part 2)
This is part 2 of a two-part episode with John Hunter. John Hunter's background includes two areas of focus: management improvement and information technology program management. His experience is in improving the performance of organizations. For the last 15 years, his focus has been on management improvement with a concentration on using technology to aid this process.LinkedinCurious CatJohnhunter.comHere are some links John sent me.Sales Commissions https://deming.org/eliminate-sales-commissions-reject-theory-x-management-and-embrace-systems-thinking/ (including why Fog Creek Software got rid of sales commissions)Why ThoughtWorks Eliminated Sales Commissionshttps://deming.org/why-thoughtworks-eliminated-sales-commisions/https://deming.org/eliminating-sales-commissions-at-air-force-one/The System of Profound Knowledge Applied to Sales and Marketing (presentations at Deming Institute) https://deming.org/the-system-of-profound-knowledge-applied-to-sales-and-marketing/Related Material:https://management.curiouscatblog.net/2010/01/28/the-trouble-with-incentives-they-work/The Existing Management Conditions Limit How Effective New Strategies Will Be https://deming.org/the-existing-management-conditions-limit-how-effective-new-strategies-will-be/(with related links including )https://management.curiouscatblog.net/2010/12/08/building-adoption-of-management-improvement-ideas-in-your-organization/ )

Feb 17, 2022 • 50min
Profound - Dr Deming - S2 E6 - John Hunter - Curious Cat (Part 1)
This is part 1 of a two-part episode with John Hunter. John Hunter's background includes two areas of focus: management improvement and information technology program management. His experience is in improving the performance of organizations. For the last 15 years, his focus has been on management improvement with a concentration on using technology to aid this process. LinkedinCurious CatJohnhunter.comHere are some links John sent me. Sales Commissions https://deming.org/eliminate-sales-commissions-reject-theory-x-management-and-embrace-systems-thinking/ (including why Fog Creek Software got rid of sales commissions) Why ThoughtWorks Eliminated Sales Commissions https://deming.org/why-thoughtworks-eliminated-sales-commisions/ https://deming.org/eliminating-sales-commissions-at-air-force-one/The System of Profound Knowledge Applied to Sales and Marketing (presentations at Deming Institute) https://deming.org/the-system-of-profound-knowledge-applied-to-sales-and-marketing/Related Material: https://management.curiouscatblog.net/2010/01/28/the-trouble-with-incentives-they-work/The Existing Management Conditions Limit How Effective New Strategies Will Be https://deming.org/the-existing-management-conditions-limit-how-effective-new-strategies-will-be/ (with related links including ) https://management.curiouscatblog.net/2010/12/08/building-adoption-of-management-improvement-ideas-in-your-organization/ )

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Feb 7, 2022 • 1h 7min
Profound - Dr Deming - E2 S5- Gene Kim- Socio-Technical Maestros
Topics discussed include the impact of influential figures in the DevOps field, achieving high performance through organizational simplicity, communication in high-stress environments, efficiency through single piece flow, Amazon's organizational paradigm, and the role of a socio-technical maestro.

Feb 3, 2022 • 55min
Profound - Dr Deming - S2 E4- Bill Bensing- Supply Chain and Security
In this episode, Bill and I discuss operations research and supply chain concepts and how they apply to security. Bill gives an overview of his work with DOD on project DEDSORD. He also gives a great overview of DevOps Automated Governance and usage of Sigstore. We also touch on SBOM's. Bill can be found mainly on LinkedIn here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/billbensing/

Jan 30, 2022 • 42min
Profound - Dr Deming - S2 E3 - Chris Roberts - The Hacker Mentality
Chris Roberts is my guest on this episode. I have had the privilege of getting to know him over the past few years. I find him fascinating to talk with. Chris describes himself as a ... Hacker, InfoSec, Safety, Cyberstuff Researcher, Advisor, @Hacknotcrime henchman, and various other names in the technical world. Chris serves as a vCISO or advisor for several entities worldwide. We discuss his background and how our industry may have lost its soul. This episode is definitely worth listening to. Chris can be found at the following places:Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sidragon1/Twitter: @Sidragon1

Jan 27, 2022 • 39min
Profound - Dr Deming - S2 E2 - Jesse Getzie - It's Ok To Be Not Ok (Part 2)
We discuss burnout in this episode (part 2). Jesse Getzie shares some of his recent "serious" burnout struggles. Burnout is a major problem in our industry. If Dr. Deming was alive today, I believe he would be a strong advocate for helping people understand this silent killer. If you need to reach us, Jesse and I are just a tweet, email, or phone call away.Jesse can be found at: Email: jgetzie@gmail.com Twitter: @jessgetzieLinkedin: jessegetzie Here's a list of some burnout resources.National Suicide Prevention Lifelinehttps://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ Emotions Anonymoushttps://emotionsanonymous.org/ National Alliance on Mental Healthhttps://nami.org/Home Open Sourcing Mental Illnesshttps://osmihelp.org/ Karōjisatsu — Death From Overworkhttps://itrevolution.com/karojisatsu/Burnout in Information Securityhttp://www.slideshare.net/secburnout/burnout-in-information-securityBurnout and post-traumatic stress disorder: Dr. Geri Puleo atTEDxSetonHillUniversityhttps://youtu.be/hFkI69zJzLIUnderstanding Burnout," Prof. Christina Maslach (U.C. Berkeley)https://youtu.be/4kLPyV8lBbsMaslach Burnout Inventoryhttp://www.mindgarden.com/117-maslach-burnout-inventory REVERSING BURNOUT: How to rekindle your passion for your workhttp://www.choixdecarriere.com/pdf/6573/Maslach_Leiter(2005).pdfDepressionI had a black dog, his name was depressionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiCrniLQGYcLiving With a Black Doghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VRRx7Mtep8Stress and Depression - A taboo in our timehttps://vimeo.com/channels/lascot14/106927863Feeling Good – The New Mood Therapyhttp://feelinggood.com/books/

Jan 27, 2022 • 35min
Profound - Dr Deming S2 E1 - Jesse Getzie - It's Ok To Be Not Ok (Part 1)
We discuss burnout in this episode (part 1). Jesse Getzie shares some of his recent "serious" burnout struggles. Burnout is a major problem in our industry. If Dr. Deming was alive today, I believe he would be a strong advocate for helping people understand this silent killer. If you need to reach us, Jesse and I are just a tweet, email, or phone call away. Jesse can be found at: Email: jgetzie@gmail.com Twitter: @jessgetzieLinkedin: jessegetzie Here's a list of some burnout resources.National Suicide Prevention Lifelinehttps://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ Emotions Anonymoushttps://emotionsanonymous.org/ National Alliance on Mental Healthhttps://nami.org/Home Open Sourcing Mental Illnesshttps://osmihelp.org/ Karōjisatsu — Death From Overworkhttps://itrevolution.com/karojisatsu/Burnout in Information Securityhttp://www.slideshare.net/secburnout/burnout-in-information-security Burnout and post-traumatic stress disorder: Dr. Geri Puleo atTEDxSetonHillUniversityhttps://youtu.be/hFkI69zJzLIUnderstanding Burnout," Prof. Christina Maslach (U.C. Berkeley)https://youtu.be/4kLPyV8lBbsMaslach Burnout Inventoryhttp://www.mindgarden.com/117-maslach-burnout-inventory REVERSING BURNOUT: How to rekindle your passion for your workhttp://www.choixdecarriere.com/pdf/6573/Maslach_Leiter(2005).pdfDepressionI had a black dog, his name was depressionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiCrniLQGYcLiving With a Black Doghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VRRx7Mtep8Stress and Depression - A taboo in our timehttps://vimeo.com/channels/lascot14/106927863Feeling Good – The New Mood Therapyhttp://feelinggood.com/books/