

Profound
John Willis
Ramblings about W. Edwards Deming in the digital transformation era. The general idea of the podcast is derived from Dr. Demming's seminal work described in his New Economics book - System of Profound Knowledge ( SoPK ). We'll try and get a mix of interviews from IT, Healthcare, and Manufacturing with the goal of aligning these ideas with Digital Transformation possibilities. Everything related to Dr. Deming's ideas is on the table (e.g., Goldratt, C.I. Lewis, Ohno, Shingo, Lean, Agile, and DevOps).
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Aug 6, 2024 • 52min
S4 E19 - Andrew Clay Shafer - Unpacking DevOps Evolution and the Future of Digital Transformation
Andrew Clay Shafer, a pivotal figure in the DevOps community, discusses the evolution of DevOps and its role in digital transformation. He highlights the importance of foundational principles like those of W. Edwards Deming and critiques superficial adoption of methodologies. The conversation touches on the impact of AI and the need for true organizational learning to navigate challenges. Shafer emphasizes that platform engineering is an extension of DevOps philosophy and addresses the dynamics of marketing in the tech landscape.

Jul 23, 2024 • 1h 15min
S4 E18 - Joseph Enochs - Embracing AI in the Enterprise
In this episode, I speak with Joseph Enochs, Managing Director of AI/ML and Emerging Technologies at Enterprise Vision Technologies. Known for his extensive background in DevOps and digital transformation, Joseph shares his remarkable journey transitioning into the AI domain.Joseph begins by recounting how his interest in AI was sparked, notably influenced by the foundational concepts of W. Edwards Deming and the subsequent developments in DevOps. He details the pivotal moments that led him to pursue a master's degree in AI, highlighting the importance of continuous learning and the foresight needed to anticipate technological trends.The discussion covers the evolution and integration of AI within large enterprises, emphasizing the challenges and strategies for incorporating AI into existing systems. Joseph explains the significance of vector databases, context windows, and the roles of orchestrators and agents in enhancing AI capabilities. He also delves into the practical applications of AI in business, such as improving call center efficiency and automating complex tasks.In the final segment, Joseph offers practical advice on how to start learning about AI, emphasizing the importance of experimentation and validation of assumptions. The episode concludes with a reflection on the profound impact AI is set to have on the future of technology and business.

Jul 9, 2024 • 1h 21min
S4 E 17 - Dr. Barbara Lawton - Insights on Evolution and Learning in the Digital Age
In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Barbara Lawton, a distinguished statistician and expert in experimental design. Dr. Lawton shares her journey from studying biology and ecology to diving deep into statistics, eventually finding herself at the Rocky Flats nuclear weapons facility. It was here she experienced a pivotal moment that led her to W. Edwards Deming's teachings.Dr. Lawton recounts how a significant project at Rocky Flats fell apart due to budget cuts, illustrating Deming's principle that quality is determined in the boardroom. This realization propelled her to attend a seminar by Deming, which profoundly changed her perspective on quality and management. She describes her experience of traveling with Deming, learning from his insights, and understanding the importance of continuous learning and adaptation.The conversation delves into Deming's System of Profound Knowledge (SoPK), highlighting its relevance in today's fast-evolving world. Dr. Lawton emphasizes the need for an appreciation of systems, understanding of variation, psychology, and theory of knowledge, and expands on these concepts by integrating ideas from physics and ecology. She discusses the role of entropy, thermodynamics, and the dynamic nature of systems, explaining how these principles apply to modern organizations and leadership.Dr. Lawton also touches on the importance of emotional intelligence, mindfulness, and effective communication in leadership. She advocates for creating environments that foster continuous learning and adaptability, essential for navigating the complexities of today's digital landscape.You can find Dr. Barbara Lawton's LinkedIn Below:https://www.linkedin.com/in/barbara-lawton-8b920b6/Show Notes:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ2U7F0RJd0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWiH5S55iDg&t=25m28s

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Jun 26, 2024 • 58min
S4 E16 - Angela Montgomery - Integrating Deming and Goldratt for Organizational Transformation
Angela Montgomery, co-founder of Intelligent Management and author, shares her fascinating journey from the arts to collaborating with physicists. She discusses the integration of Deming's philosophy with Goldratt's Theory of Constraints to drive organizational change. Montgomery highlights the significance of identifying constraints over mere bottlenecks and the challenges of systemic thinking in traditional structures. Through engaging narratives, she introduces the Decalogue Method and advocates for sustainable practices in management, emphasizing the importance of flow and innovation.

Jun 18, 2024 • 1h 9min
S4 E15 - Mike Beck - Engineering Excellence Through Deming's Lens
In this episode, I had a conversation with Mike Beck. We dive deep into W. Edwards Deming's seminal perspectives on quality and their application in the automotive and healthcare sectors. Mike, with his vast experience at General Motors and Toyota, shares compelling stories and insights on how Deming's principles transformed his approach to engineering and management.Mike Beck's journey began as a mechanical engineer at General Motors in 1979, a time when the company held a dominant market share. His career took a significant turn after attending Deming’s seminar in 1984, which profoundly influenced his perspective on quality and management. This episode captures Mike's evolution from a reliability and test engineer to a leader in statistical methods and quality improvement at GM.Key Discussion Points:Early Career and Deming’s Influence:Mike details his early career at General Motors, the transition of GM from the market leader, and his first exposure to Deming’s teachings which significantly shifted his approach towards statistical methods and leadership.Implementing Statistical Methods:He discusses his application of statistical methods in engine development, particularly using Taguchi methods and design of experiments (DOE) to tackle the issue of bore distortion in the Quad 4 engine.Deming’s Consultancy at GM:Mike shares insights from GM's decision to hire Deming as a consultant, and how this influenced the creation of the Powertrain Statistical Network and a master’s program in statistics, fostering a culture of continuous improvement and statistical thinking within the company.Transition to Toyota:His move to Toyota offered a unique comparison between American and Japanese approaches to quality. Mike highlights Toyota’s meticulous production engineering processes, incremental changes, and the profound cultural differences that underpin their success in quality management.Cultural and Management Lessons:Mike elaborates on the concept of "catchball" in Hoshin Kanri, emphasizing the importance of alignment and communication in achieving organizational objectives. He also contrasts the Western and Eastern views on time and efficiency, shedding light on how Toyota’s approach to planning and reflection contributes to their sustained excellence.Show Notes:Mike's Email: mikebeck001@gmail.com

Jun 5, 2024 • 53min
S4 E14 - Rob Park - Navigating Software Evolution through Deming's Principles
In this episode of the Profound Podcast, I have a conversation with Rob Park. Rob shares his journey from early involvement in extreme programming (XP) to his current fascination with W. Edwards Deming's principles and their application in modern software development.Rob's career path offers a rich tapestry of experiences, from using case tools and adopting scrum practices before they were widely recognized, to working with Kanban and continuous integration/continuous delivery (CI/CD) processes. He reminisces about his introduction to Deming's work through the influence of notable figures in the agile community.A significant portion of the discussion delves into the integration of Deming's theories into software practices. Rob talks about the impact of statistical process control (SPC) and control charts on his work, emphasizing the importance of understanding variation and employing data-driven decision-making. He highlights the utility of Dr. Donald Wheeler's teachings on process behavior charts and the critical difference between enumerative and analytical statistics.The episode wraps up with Rob reflecting on the broader implications of Deming's work, advocating for its relevance in addressing contemporary challenges in software development. He shares his experiences of applying Deming's theories in real-world scenarios, illustrating how these timeless concepts continue to drive quality and efficiency in the digital age.You can find Rob Park's LinkedIn below:https://www.linkedin.com/in/robpark-4ls/

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May 28, 2024 • 1h 16min
S4 E13 - Beth Blankenship - Exploring Deming's Legacy and Modern Applications
Beth Blankenship, an expert in quality management and disciple of W. Edwards Deming, discusses Deming's principles and their relevance today. She critiques Six Sigma, emphasizes customer focus and innovation, and reflects on Deming's impact on Japanese industry. Beth shares her journey, research insights, and ongoing efforts to promote Deming's teachings.

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May 21, 2024 • 58min
S4 E12 - Dr. Jabe Bloom - Temporal Design and Digital Transformation
Dr. Jabe Bloom, a design studies and organizational theory expert, discusses temporality, design decisions, timeful design, continuous adaptation, bounded rationality in digital systems, recombining in design, shared problem-solving, economies of developers and operators, intentional objects, question formulation in digital transformation, and shared responsibility in digital transformation, emphasizing continuous negotiation and context-driven design.

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May 14, 2024 • 51min
S4 E11 - John Dues - Transforming Education Through Deming's Principles
Join John Dues, Chief Learning Officer at United Schools Network, as he discusses applying Deming's principles to transform education. Topics include embracing System of Profound Knowledge, enhancing remote learning during the pandemic, using PDSA cycle, and promoting continuous improvement in educational systems.

Apr 29, 2024 • 54min
S4 E10 - Ariane David, PhD - Embracing Uncertainty in Transformation
In this episode of the Profound Podcast, I have the pleasure of speaking with Ariane David, PhD, an insightful thinker and academic who delves into the principles of non-positional thinking and its profound impact on personal and organizational learning. We explore how W. Edwards Deming's theories on quality and continuous improvement intersect with modern challenges in digital transformation, particularly within IT, healthcare, and manufacturing sectors.Dr. David's introduces the four principles of non-positional thinking, beginning with the 'uncertainty principle,' which emphasizes intellectual humility and the acceptance that our perceptions and conclusions might be flawed. This acknowledgment opens the door to 'curiosity,' the second principle, fostering a desire to explore and understand rather than to confirm biases. The discussion progresses to the 'principle of discernment,' where information is analyzed critically to separate useful insights from noise. Lastly, Ariane discusses 'courage,' which is essential for challenging our own assumptions and committing to a path of genuine understanding and improvement .Throughout the conversation, Dr. David highlights the dangers of 'adaptive learning' in organizations—learning driven by fear and survival instincts—which often prevents genuine insight and improvement. She contrasts this with 'generative learning,' which encourages a blame-free environment where mistakes are seen as opportunities for growth and learning, thereby fostering a culture that supports continuous improvement and aligns closely with Deming's philosophy.You can find Dr. Ariane David's LinkedIn below:https://www.linkedin.com/in/arianedavid/