

A Productive Conversation
Mike Vardy
Hosted by productivity strategist Mike Vardy, A Productive Conversation offers insightful discussions on how to craft a life that aligns with your intentions. Each episode dives into the art of time devotion, productiveness, and refining your approach to daily living. Mike invites guests who are thinkers, doers, and creators to share their strategies for working smarter and living more intentionally. From practical tips to deep dives on mindset shifts, this podcast will help you reframe your relationship with time and find balance in a busy world.
Subscribe and join the conversation—because a productive life is more than just getting things done.
Subscribe and join the conversation—because a productive life is more than just getting things done.
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Aug 16, 2023 • 41min
Stephanie Chandler Talks About Non-Fiction Publishing And Community Building
I'm admittedly taking a bit of a selfish turn in this episode as I get to chat with the renowned Stephanie Chandler.Stephanie, an acclaimed author of "The Nonfiction Book Publishing Plan," is the force behind the Nonfiction Authors Association and the unique Nonfiction Writers Conference - an online event that's been changing the game since 2010. As someone who's graced platforms like Entrepreneur, BusinessWeek, and Wired magazine, she's an embodiment of expertise and passion. Stick around as we delve into topics like the art of 'chunking' your writing, the intriguing world of hybrid publishing, and so much more.Key Discussion Points
Stephanie's transition from corporate life in 2003 to a bookstore owner in Sacramento and eventually to being a renowned author and community builder.
Crafting a Thriving Community: How Stephanie enriches her community with valuable content, battling the wave of misinformation.
"Chunking" the Writing Process: A look at daily manageable writing targets and the echoing effects of consistent book releases.
Target Audience's Power: The art and science of niching down and addressing audience-specific challenges.
Deciphering Bookstores: The ongoing battle between traditional bookstores and the rise of audiobooks.
The Publishing Dilemma: A discussion on the allure of big publishers vs. the liberty of alternative routes.
Navigating Hybrid Publishing: A glance at its role in the current market and its pros and cons.
This conversation with Stephanie Chandler was both productive and enlightening. From the nuanced intricacies of non-fiction publishing to the evolving landscape of bookstores and publishing routes, Stephanie's insights were invaluable. If you're a budding author or simply interested in the world behind the books you read, this is an episode you wouldn't want to miss.Links Worth Exploring
Connect with Stephanie: Website | Facebook | X (néeTwitter) | LinkedIn
The Nonfiction Authors Association: Visit The Website
The Nonfiction Writers Conference: Learn More Here
The Productivity Diet Campaign Page: Check It Out
Related Conversation: Episode 335: Mind Map Your Writing with Daphne Gray-Grant
Related Blog Post: On Not Writing
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Aug 9, 2023 • 39min
Vinay Pitankar Talks About Process Management
In the latest episode of "A Productive Conversation", yours truly (Mike Vardy) and guest Vinay Patankar delve into the intricacies of process versus project management. Vinay Patankar is the CEO of Process Street. Manage employee onboarding, workflow automation, checklists, the team’s handbook & more with Process Street’s AI powered process platform.Vinay underscores the value of specialized tools, suggesting a blend of both for optimal business operations. They also explore the nuances of repeatable work, emphasizing that every business has inherent processes. Vinay shares insights on leveraging project management experiences for future tasks, using Uber's market entry as an example of a project evolving into a process. And that's just for starters.Key Discussion Points
Process vs. Project: Dive into the nuanced differences. Which is right for your business?
Tool Synergy: The magic of combining tools. Why might HR, finance, and real estate need a special touch?
Repeatable Work: Everyone has processes, but are they optimized? Discover the "productivity diet."
Project Management Insights: How can Uber's strategy teach us about turning projects into processes?
Projects Birth Processes: Uber's new venture hints at how projects evolve. What's the secret?
Scaling Challenges: Beyond starting a project—what does it truly take to scale? Uncover the "unsexy" side of business.
AI in Business: AI is revolutionizing processes. How might GPT change employee onboarding?
Thank you for tuning into this enlightening episode of 'A Productive Conversation.' As always, our goal is to equip you with actionable insights to elevate your business endeavors. Until next time, remember to stop "doing" productive and start being productive.Links Worth Exploring
Connect with Vinay: Website | Facebook | X (née Twitter) | LinkedIn
Process Street + AI: Read The Story
Vinay's Writing: Check it out
Related Conversation: Episode 121: Beyond The E-Myth With Michael E. Gerber
Related Blog Post: The Process
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Aug 2, 2023 • 33min
Marc Lesser Talks About Finding Clarity
In this enlightening episode, I engage in a meaningful (and productive) conversation with Marc Lesser. Marc is a multifaceted leader with roles as a CEO, executive coach, and Zen teacher. With an MBA from New York University, he has founded three companies and authored five books, notably "Finding Clarity". His passion for integrating mindfulness into leadership culminated in the "Search Inside Yourself" program at Google, an influential initiative that married emotional intelligence with mindfulness. Marc also brings unique insights from his ten-year residency at the San Francisco Zen Center and his stint as the director of Tassajara, the first Zen monastery in the Western world. His distinct blend of business expertise and Zen principles positions him as an exceptional figure in the spheres of mindful leadership and business strategy.The episode moves forward with a fascinating discussion about the concept of clarity. Contrary to common belief, Marc proposes that clarity is not just a state of complete understanding or transparency but also includes elements of mystery and the unknown. This ties into what he refers to as the "fifth discipline of leadership", emphasizing the practice of finding clarity within these nuances. Furthermore, Marc shares unconventional "anchors" or strategies that can assist individuals in finding clarity, including his unique 'no festering' rule.Key Discussion Points
The importance of understanding clarity as a concept that incorporates mystery and not just a state of perfect lucidity.
Unconventional strategies for finding clarity, including the 'no festering' rule.
An exploration into the role of ego in compassion and accountability, demonstrating how curiosity can replace judgement and anger.
The trap of ego and the role of confidence and deep listening in avoiding this trap.
Lesser's views on the role of will in meditation, distinguishing between will and willpower.
The transformative power of turning breakdowns into breakthroughs, accepting change and discomfort.
There's also a mention of Ted Lasso that makes its way into our discussion – a discussion that is well worth your time. Enjoy.Links Worth Exploring
Connect With Marc: Website | Facebook | X (née Twitter) | LinkedIn | Instagram
The Book We Discussed: Finding Clarity: How Compassionate Accountability Builds Vibrant Relationships, Thriving Workplaces, and Meaningful Lives
Marc's Other Books: Check them out here
An Article That Channels A Touch Of Ted Lasso: Read It Here
Related Conversation: Episode 473: Oscar Trimboli talks about Deep Listening
Related Blog Post: Why You Need A Clarity Day (And How To Make It Happen)
Thanks to all of the sponsors of this episode. You can find all of the sponsors you heard me mention on this episode on our Podcast Sponsors page.Want to support the podcast? Beyond checking out our sponsors, you can subscribe to the show wherever you listen to podcasts. Click on any of the links below to make that happen.Spotify | Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | StitcherYou can also click on this link to paste the podcast feed into your podcast app of choice.Thanks again for listening to A Productive Conversation. See you later.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jul 26, 2023 • 43min
FROM THE VAULT: James Clear Talks About Atomic Habits
We're going back into the vault for this episode for a conversation that I had in January 2019 with the one and only James Clear. James is best known as the author of Atomic Habits: An Easy And Proven Way To Build Good Habits And Break Bad Ones.During our conversation, James discusses why he wrote Atomic Habits and how it differs from other habit books, the importance of breaking habits down into "atomic" small changes, and the "two minute rule" for making habits simple and easy to do. We also get into how seasons and social reinforcement can help with habit consistency, strategies for curtailing behaviours that you want to do in moderation, and his collaboration with Baronfig.Key Discussion Points
Start small with habits by scaling them down until they take two minutes or less. This makes them simple to automate.
Layer many small habit changes on top of each other to achieve big results over time.
Use tools and software to help with habit consistency, especially for infrequent habits.
Slow down and pay attention to your current behaviours to identify where to insert new habits.
Write things down in a central place to capture ideas and sort them later. Don't worry about organization in the moment.
I hope this very productive conversation with James Clear gives you some valuable insights into building good habits through small, sustainable changes. Atomic Habits provides a practical, science-backed approach that you can start implementing today. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good – take that first small step and build the habit from there.Links Worth Exploring
Connect with James: Website | Twitter | Facebook | Instagram
James’s Book: Atomic Habits: An Easy and Proven Way to Build Good Habits and Break Bad Ones
Baronfig x James Clear Collection: Check out this collaboration
Read James' Newsletter: Subscribe
Related Conversation: Episode 454: Michelle Segar talks about habits and The Joy Choice
Related Blog Post: 3 Steps to Building Productivity Habits That Stick
Thanks to all of the sponsors of this episode. You can find all of the sponsors you heard me mention on this episode on our Podcast Sponsors page.Want to support the podcast? Beyond checking out our sponsors, you can subscribe to the show wherever you listen to podcasts. Click on any of the links below to make that happen.Spotify | Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | StitcherYou can also click on this link to paste the podcast feed into your podcast app of choice.Thanks again for listening to A Productive Conversation. See you later.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jul 19, 2023 • 32min
Josselyne Herman Saccio Talks About The Art of Being Unmissable With
Josselyne Herman Saccio joins the show to discuss her work helping people transform limiting beliefs and shift from a place of reaction to creation. She is a transformative coach and course leader with more than 30 years experience and as an author, CEO, Community Activist, founder of a non -profit and coach, she has worked with all kinds of people to empower them to live the life of their dreams NOW and ultimately be "unmessablewith."She shares how she helps people develop the "muscle of creation" by getting clear on their vision and what they really want, beyond just goals. We also discuss the importance of journaling and storytelling, how to best fill out your calendar, and why Josselyne calls her work "the art" of being unmessable.Key Discussion Points
The importance of creating, not just managing or reacting
Developing the muscle of creation by exercising it regularly
Getting clear on your vision and what you really want, beyond just goals
Dismantling the stories and limiting beliefs that hold you back
Shifting from feeling complete to creating being complete
Distinguishing what is actually happening versus the stories you tell yourself
Filling your calendar with why you're doing things and what you're creating, not just content
This conversation provides insights and strategies to help you transform limiting beliefs, shift from a place of reaction to creation, and develop the "muscle of creation". By dismantling the stories that hold you back and getting clear on your true vision, you can fill your life with more meaning and fulfillment, regardless of your circumstances. Listen in to discover tools that may help you unlock your untapped potential and create the life you desire.Links Worth Exploring
Connect with Josselyne: Website | Facebook | Twitter | LinkedIn
Josselyne's Youtube Channel: Watch now
Josselyne's Newsletter: Check it out
A Blast From Josselyne's Past: "That's What Love Can Do"
Related Conversation: Episode 245: What Happy Successful People Do Differently with Marc and Angel Chernoff
Related Blog Post: Why Improving Your Relationship with Time is the Key to Mastering It
Thanks to all of the sponsors of this episode. You can find all of the sponsors you heard me mention on this episode on our Podcast Sponsors page.Want to support the podcast? Beyond checking out our sponsors, you can subscribe to the show wherever you listen to podcasts. Click on any of the links below to make that happen.Spotify | Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | StitcherYou can also click on this link to paste the podcast feed into your podcast app of choice.Thanks again for listening to A Productive Conversation. See you later.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jul 12, 2023 • 31min
Peter Ivanov Talks About Powering Up Virtual Teams
In this episode of "A Productive Conversation," I'm joined by Peter Ivanov. Peter is an inspiring keynote speaker, renowned for his expertise in virtual teams and future-oriented leadership. With 20 years of experience as a Senior Manager leading international virtual teams across Europe, Africa, and Asia, Peter's teams have achieved remarkable success, including winning the prestigious "Global IT Connect Award" in 2012. As the author of the acclaimed book "Virtual Power Teams," translated into six languages and ranked as an "Amazon Top 3" in international management, Peter's mission is to unite global talent in tackling humanity's toughest challenges.During our discussion, Peter unravels the secrets to building trust and fostering collaboration. Discover strategies to navigate conflicts and ensure knowledge flow in virtual and hybrid teams. Explore the emerging role of the Chief Remote Officer and learn how to enhance team productivity beyond mere metrics. Peter also reveals a simple action you can take right now to elevate your team's performance. Get ready for an enlightening conversation filled with practical tips to unlock the full potential of your remote work setup.Key Discussion Points
Building trust is essential in remote teams.
Handling conflicts and pre-emptive responses to maintain team harmony.
The importance of knowledge flow in virtual and hybrid teams.
The rise of Chief Remote Officers and the concept of equal opportunities in remote work.
Balancing quantified productivity with other tools and mechanisms for managing distributed teams.
Listeners can expect a thought-provoking conversation filled with practical insights to improve remote team dynamics and productivity. By implementing Peter's strategies and leveraging the suggested tools, leaders and team members alike can enhance their remote work experiences and achieve greater success.Links Worth Exploring
Connect with Peter: Website | Facebook | LinkedIn | YouTube
Peter’s Book: Virtual Power Teams: How to Deliver Products Faster, Reduce Costs, and Develop Your Organization for the Future!
Running Remote: Website
Mike Vardy + David Allen at Running Remote 2023: Watch on YouTube
Related Conversation: Episode 420: Daniel Coyle talks about The Culture Playbook
Related Blog Post: How to Be Prudent and Productive
Thanks to all of the sponsors of this episode. You can find all of the sponsors you heard me mention on this episode on our Podcast Sponsors page.Want to support the podcast? Beyond checking out our sponsors, you can subscribe to the show wherever you listen to podcasts. Click on any of the links below to make that happen.Spotify | Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | StitcherYou can also click on this link to paste the podcast feed into your podcast app of choice.Thanks again for listening to A Productive Conversation. See you later.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jul 5, 2023 • 40min
Terry Cralle Talks About The Relationship Between Sleep And Productivity
In this episode, I chat with Terry Cralle, a registered nurse based in Washington DC, and the conversation dives into the topic of sleep and its impact on productivity and well-being. Terry is certified in clinical sleep health and has co-authored two books on sleep; Snoozby and the Great Big Bedtime Battle (Rowe Publishing, 2015), the first nonfiction book directly messaging the benefits of sufficient sleep to young children and Sleeping Your Way to the Top (Sterling Publishing, 2016), the ultimate guide to success through sufficient sleep. She also serves on the Start School Later Board of Directors and works with a variety of organizations throughout the U.S. and Canada to promote sleep health and wellness.Terry kicks off the conversation by emphasizing the importance of having a healthy relationship with sleep and seeing it as a natural need rather than a battle to conquer. She shares down-to-earth strategies to improve sleep, like setting up a cozy sleep environment, soaking in some morning sunlight, and establishing a soothing bedtime routine. Together, we explore the signs of sleep deprivation and unmanaged sleep disorders that we should watch out for.Key Discussion Points
The importance of establishing a good relationship with sleep
Understanding sleep as a biological need, not a battle
Simple strategies to improve sleep, including exposure to natural light and establishing a bedtime routine
The significance of sleep for mental well-being and productivity
Sleep as a foundational pillar of health and wellness, alongside diet and exercise
The benefits of setting aside sufficient time for sleep and the value of napping
Challenges faced by shift workers and the need for healthier hours
Advocacy for later school start times for teenagers
Get ready to be inspired and equipped with practical advice to transform your sleep habits in this down-to-earth conversation. With Terry Cralle's expert insights, you'll gain valuable tips to ensure a good night's sleep, boost your productivity, and enhance your overall quality of life. So, grab your cozy blanket, sit back, and prepare to unlock the secrets of better sleep for a more productive and fulfilling life.Links Worth Exploring
Connect with Terry: Website | Twitter | LinkedIn | Instagram
Terry’s Book: Sleeping Your Way to the Top: How to Get the Sleep You Need
The Better Sleep Council: Website
Medium Post Worth Reading: The Story of "Yesterday"
Related Conversation: Episode 401: Dr. Michael Breus talks about Energy Management, Movement and Sleep
Related Blog Post: Begin Before Bed
Thanks to all of the sponsors of this episode. You can find all of the sponsors you heard me mention on this episode on our Podcast Sponsors page.Want to support the podcast? Beyond checking out our sponsors, you can subscribe to the show wherever you listen to podcasts. Click on any of the links below to make that happen.Spotify | Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | StitcherYou can also click on this link to paste the podcast feed into your podcast app of choice.Thanks again for listening to A Productive Conversation. See you later.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jun 28, 2023 • 32min
FROM THE VAULT: Keith Ferrazzi talks about Leading Without Authority
In this episode from the vault, I revisit my conversation with Keith Ferrazzi from May 2020. The discussion centers around leading without authority, breaking down silos, and transforming teams through collaboration. Keith explains the concept of leading without authority, highlighting the need for an agile and adaptable operating model within organizations. He shares insights into co-elevation and the two philosophies of leadership.The conversation also explores the challenges people face in shifting mindsets and adopting new ways of thinking, emphasizing the importance of self-awareness and personal growth. The attributes of a high-performing team and strategies for coaching co-ed teams are discussed.Key Discussion Points
Leading without authority involves breaking down silos and reinventing collaboration
The importance of adopting an agile and adaptable operating model
Understanding the challenges of mindset shifting and its impact on success
The attributes of a high-performing team and strategies for coaching co-ed teams
Transforming a company through leadership without authority and redefining teams
Overcoming self-limiting beliefs and taking responsibility for success
The significance of having a framework to measure success and unleashing growth through empathy
Balancing humility and ego for effective leadership
Advice for those who prefer working alone and a simple action to start leading without authority
During our discussion, Keith provides practical advice on how to lead without authority and redefine teams, emphasizing the role of responsibility and eliminating self-imposed limitations. The episode also delves into the importance of having a framework to measure success and the power of empathy in unleashing growth and development and addresses the concerns of individuals who feel they work better alone, offering advice on the importance of patience and taking small steps to start leading without authority. I'm glad I revisited this conversation "from the vault" and trust you'll enjoy it. Thanks for listening!Links Worth Exploring
Connect with Keith: Website | Twitter | Facebook | Instagram
Keith’s Book: Leading Without Authority: How the New Power of Co-Elevation Can Break Down Silos, Transform Teams, and Reinvent Collaboration
Keith's Training: Ferrazzi Learning
Check out this opportunity: Virtual Teams Win
Related Conversation: A Very Special Episode: Liam Martin talks about Running Remote
Related Blog Post: Why Reading Leadership Books will Boost Your Productivity
Thanks to all of the sponsors of this episode. You can find all of the sponsors you heard me mention on this episode on our Podcast Sponsors page.Want to support the podcast? Beyond checking out our sponsors, you can subscribe to the show wherever you listen to podcasts. Click on any of the links below to make that happen.Spotify | Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | StitcherYou can also click on this link to paste the podcast feed into your podcast app of choice.Thanks again for listening to A Productive Conversation. See you later.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jun 21, 2023 • 35min
Thanh Pham talks about His Productivity Journey (Part 2)
In the second part of my podcast conversation with Asian Efficiency's Thanh Pham, we explore various aspects of productivity, time management, and the impact of AI. The conversation covers breaking past time barriers, the utility value of money at different life stages, prioritization and trade-offs, the challenges with to-do lists, and the potential of AI to enhance productivity. Additionally, the importance of clarity in writing, understanding human behaviour, preferred mediums for content creation, and staying updated with industry trends are also discussed.We also share insights into their preferred mediums for content creation and offer advice on how to stay updated with industry trends. There was a lot of ground to cover in our first conversation for this podcast, so dividing it up into two parts was a wise move. I trust you'll get a lot out of it.Key Discussion Points
Breaking past the barrier of time is crucial for productivity
The utility value of money at different stages of life is explored
Prioritization is a practice that requires trade-offs
The challenges people face with their to-do lists are addressed
The potential of AI to make more valuable things is highlighted
Clarity of thought is emphasized for good writing
Understanding human behaviour remains significant despite technological advancements
Insights into preferred mediums for content creation and staying updated with trends are shared
You can expect an engaging and informative discussion on productivity, time management, and the role of AI. The episode provides valuable insights and practical tips that can help you enhance your productivity and make better use of your time. From understanding the value of money to mastering prioritization and embracing AI's potential, this conversation offers a wealth of knowledge to apply in daily life. Enjoy this finale to a very productive conversation!Links Worth Exploring
Connect with Thanh: Website | Twitter | Facebook | Youtube
Thanh's podcast: The Productivity Show
Recommended by Thanh: Die With Zero: Getting All You Can from Your Money and Your Life
Recommended by Thanh (and me): Four Thousand Weeks: Time Management for Mortals
Related Conversation: Episode 479: Thanh Pham talks about His Productivity Journey (Part 1)
Related Blog Post: Why You Need A Clarity Day (And How To Make It Happen)
Thanks to all of the sponsors of this episode. You can find all of the sponsors you heard me mention on this episode on our Podcast Sponsors page.Want to support the podcast? Beyond checking out our sponsors, you can subscribe to the show wherever you listen to podcasts. Click on any of the links below to make that happen.Spotify | Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | StitcherYou can also click on this link to paste the podcast feed into your podcast app of choice.Thanks again for listening to A Productive Conversation. See you later.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jun 14, 2023 • 30min
Thanh Pham talks about His Productivity Journey (Part 1)
In the first part of my podcast conversation with Thanh Pham, founder of Asian Efficiency, we explored our shared experiences in the productivity space. We discussed the evolution of productivity advice and systems, emphasizing the importance of choosing one system and adapting it to your needs. Thanh highlighted the shift from being reactive to proactive, underscoring the value of planning for the next day and week to stay on top of tasks.Thanh also shared his personal journey of focusing on building deeper relationships and community, which led to increased happiness and productivity. This served as a powerful reminder that productivity isn't just about getting more done—it's also about enhancing our overall well-being.Key Discussion Points
The landscape of productivity has changed over the years, and there's no one right way to do something. The rise of the cult of getting things done has shown that there are multiple ways to approach productivity.
Small changes can lead to significant results. You don't have to make drastic changes to get the results you're looking for. A single tweak a week can lead to major improvements.
Sustainability is a challenging aspect of learning. Trying to get everything done in a single day can lead to burnout. It's important to recognize that you have more time than you think.
Reflective practice, such as journaling, can help improve productivity. It's important to take time to reflect on what you're doing and why.
The importance of a weekly review and being aware of the cadence and pace of life can help manage productivity.
Happiness and productivity are linked. Happy people tend to be more productive.
The concept of productivity has evolved over the last decade. It's not just about time and money, but also about health.
Our conversation concluded with a discussion on the changing perception of productivity, shifting from efficiency to optimizing for happiness. This perspective has been a game-changer for Thanh, and he believes it can be for others as well. Stay tuned for the second part of our conversation next week, where we'll delve deeper into these themes and more.Links Worth Exploring
Connect with Thanh: Website | Twitter | Facebook | Youtube
Thanh's podcast: The Productivity Show
Recommended by Thanh: Die With Zero: Getting All You Can from Your Money and Your Life
Recommended by Thanh (and me): Four Thousand Weeks: Time Management for Mortals
Related Conversation: Episode 83: Overnight Success with Aaron Mahnke
Related Blog Post: Why You Need To Take Personal Productivity Personally
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