Deep Dive with Shawn

**This episode was originally released on June 3, 2022. Given Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene's recent comments about a "national divorce," it seems appropriate to revisit the history around this subject (with this week's episode), and the legality and likelihood of that happening in the future (next week's episode). This episode is the first of two (one today and one next week) focusing on secession – the separation of a state or region from another. This week, I'm talking to Dr. Susan Schulten, a professor, author, and historian at the University of Denver. She is an expert on the Civil War and the precipitating events, including the secession of eleven southern states from the Union. While the conversation is historical, we also discuss the political climate in the United States today, as well as parallels that might exist between then and the now. I want to know if we should be concerned and Dr. Schulten reminds me of the fluid nature of history and events. Mentioned:Scopes TrialCamping Grounds: Public Nature in American Life from the Civil War to the Occupy Movement – Phoebe S.K. Young Recommended: A History of America in 100 Maps – Susan Schulten -------------------------Follow Deep Dive:BlueskyYouTube Email: deepdivewithshawn@gmail.com Music: Majestic Earth - Joystock

Today's episode is the second of a three-part series that seeks to understand what underpins the Trumpism movement in the United States – who these voters are and what motivates them, and then how that fits into a broader global shift we’re seeing - away from liberal democracy. Last week I spoke to Dr. Arlie Hochschild about her book Strangers in Their Own Land  to understand the paradox of conservative folks and their support for policies that do tangible harm to them.Today I’m talking to Dr. Philip Gorski, professor and sociologist at Yale University, and the co-author of the book The Flag and the Cross. Together, we discuss another seeming paradox – why self-identified Christians align so closely with Trump who, for all intents and purposes, is not a true Christian. He certainly hasn’t lived his life in accordance to scripture. I want to know how Christians square this alliance and this allegiance, how we got here, and if there is any chance that this relationship could be short-circuited – and, if so, how. Mentioned: Strangers in Their Own Land: Anger and Mourning on the American Right - Arlie HochschildThe Religion of American Greatness: What's Wrong with Christian Nationalism - Paul D. MillerJesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation - Kristin Kobes Du MezRecommended:The Flag and the Cross: White Christian Nationalism and the Threat to American Democracy - Philip S. Gorski and Samuel L. Perry-------------------------Follow Deep Dive:BlueskyYouTube Email: deepdivewithshawn@gmail.com Music: Majestic Earth - Joystock

On November 8th, American voters did something relatively remarkable for a midterm election. We now know that Democrats will keep the Senate (perhaps even expand it by a seat) and that Republicans will narrowly take the House. This is a massive underperformance for Republicans.Along with a lot of other people, I’m interested in understanding what happened – and specifically, how the Dobbs decision and the abortion question might have influenced this election – if at all. So, my guest today is a former colleague of mine, Dr. Joshua Wilson – Professor and Chair of the Political Science Department at the University of Denver and Associate Editor of the Law & Policy academic journal. Dr. Wilson has written and published extensively about abortion politics – and other things – including the books The New States of Abortion Politics, The Street Politics of Abortion, and most recently, Separate but Faithful: The Christian Right’s Radical Struggle to Transform Law and Legal Culture with co-author Amanda Hollis-Brusky. His research has also been published in numerous academic journals and appeared in mass media outlets, such as Newsweek, Christian Science Monitor, Washington Post, and Politico – to name just a few. We talk about how anti-abortion activists manipulated the legal landscape on abortion issues over the decades in such a way that they primed an entirely new political debate and pursued strategies that culminated in the overturning of Roe. We talk about what this might look like moving forward, if the national Republican Party has an appetite for a nationwide abortion ban, and if the Dobbs decision cost Republicans what – by all accounts – should have been an overwhelming retaking of Congress. We also talk about the state of American politics and why Donald Trump leaving the political arena won’t solve the problem of political violence in the United States. Mentioned:Whole Women's Health v. HellerstedtJune Medical Services LLC v. RussoThe Count of Monte Cristo - Alexandre DumasRecommended: In Cold Blood - Truman CapoteThe Executioner's Song - Normal Mailer-------------------------Follow Deep Dive:BlueskyYouTube Email: deepdivewithshawn@gmail.com Music: Majestic Earth - Joystock

**On January 24, 2023, Pope Francis stated in an interview with the AP that being a homosexual is not a crime. This reminded me of a conversation that I had in October of 2022 with Dr. Frank Mugisha of Uganda about being gay and also Catholic. Today, Deep Dive is re-visiting that conversation. **Today I’m talking to Dr. Frank Mugisha. He is the Executive Director of SMUG – which stands for Sexual Minorities Uganda, a support and advocacy organization for queer Ugandans that was recently shut down by the Uganda government. For his work, Frank was awarded the Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights Award and the Rafto Prize in 2011. In 2014, he was a nominee for the Nobel Peace Prize. In 2017, he was listed as one of Fortune Magazine’s World’s Greatest Leaders. And, this year, 2022, he was awarded the Civil Rights Defender of the Year Award.   In Uganda, gay sex is illegal and, depending on the charges levied, could carry the death penalty. In addition to harassment by government officials and law enforcement, mob violence is a very real threat in Uganda. This has led to the beating and murder of a number of Frank’s friends and colleagues. Since SMUG was shut down, the government has waged a social media campaign directly targeting Frank, labeling him a groomer and pedophile (mirroring the same tactics that Republicans are employing in the states).   I want to thank United States Senator Tammy Baldwin and her office for providing some assistance. If you would like to assist Frank in any way, whether it be moral, legal, or emotional support, please contact him at frankmugisha@gmail.com You can also contact Shawn at deepdivewithshawn@gmail.com for other ways to provide support, or to make the appropriate connection on your behalf. If you are are in a similiar situation, or know someone who is, the following resources may be useful: Center for Constitutional RightsUnited States Citizenship and Immigration Service - Refugees and Asylum Seekers-------------------------Follow Deep Dive:BlueskyYouTube Email: deepdivewithshawn@gmail.com Music: Majestic Earth - Joystock

In July of last year – 2022 – Lever Alejos emerged from the jungle in Panama, with no shoes, and just the tattered remains of clothes that still clung to his body after almost a week trekking through the Darien Gap – a 60 mile stretch of untamed, undeveloped jungle between Colombia and Panama. Lever was coming from Venezuela, escaping political persecution, in search of a better life. On arriving at the Texas border, he was processed by the United States government and then - and put on a bus out of the state, not knowing where he was being sent, presumably at the direction of Texas governor Greg Abbott. Although – I have to say that the governors of Texas, Arizona, and Florida have all employed this practice with immigrants arriving at the border, and they have done so shrouded in secrecy, so the details remain unclear as to which governor is responsible for which bus. This fact alone is unsettling – and, to my mind, I have to wonder why keep it a secret, unless one is worried about its legality or its humanity. In end, Lever was dropped off in Washington DC, and this is is currently where he is.  This episode is about Lever and his experience coming to the United States – why he left Venezuela, what his journey here was like, how he has been received in the United States, and what he hopes for his future.  While this is a very personal story – I urge you to consider this when listening: this is one of thousands of similar stories. Of people fleeing persecution, violence, war, torture – at the hands of their governments, most often authoritarian governments. Lever was one of the lucky few to have successfully made it – and by that I mean, survived the journey. Many people have died trying – either succumbed to the environment or have been murdered by police, cartels, bandits, and other nefarious actors.  As you will hear from Lever – people are putting their lives, very literally, on the line for a better life than the one their own government is providing. And, regardless of your politics, this should give you some pause. At minimum – to consider how lucky we all are to live in the country that we do. Mentioned:Lever Profiled in New York TimesUnited Nations High Commissioner for RefugeesRecommended:Doctors Without Borders-------------------------Follow Deep Dive:BlueskyYouTube Email: deepdivewithshawn@gmail.com Music: Majestic Earth - Joystock

According to the 2022 Freedom in the World report issued by Freedom House – 38% of the global population live in Not Free countries, and only 20% live in Free countries. In 2022 alone, 60 countries experienced declines in democratic freedom, while only 25 experienced increases. This picture is stark – democracies are in decline. Authoritarianism is on the rise. Increasingly, especially on the Right, this trend is leveraged to suggest that authoritarian regimes are a legitimate alternative to democracy. That the rise of authoritarianism reflects the desire and need for something other than democracy – some counterbalance. But, this argument misses something fundamental. We need to consider something else in tandem with this trend – the rise of authoritarianism - to help us more fully draw conclusions and make assumptions. Perhaps it’s important to know how people living in these countries feel about increasing unfreedom.  So, here’s something to consider. The world is also awash in refugees and immigrants – almost universally fleeing authoritarian, theocratic, and totalitarian regimes; and they are landing in democracies. They are fleeing TO freedom. This undercuts the legitimacy of authoritarianism as a viable alternative to democracy. People don’t want to live in authoritarian states – They don’t want to live without voice, without freedom, without safety.  So, this is a different picture, a reality – that the number of democracies is declining while the number of authoritarian states is increasing – which has led to a massive influx of people fleeing these unfree states into increasingly shrinking available free states  - this is a crisis. Not of democracy. It’s a crisis of authoritarianism.  So, the next two episodes – today and next week - take a closer look at people that are fleeing two of these authoritarian regimes. Next week I’m talking to someone who fled political persecution in Venezuela for a better life in the United States – only to arrive and be placed on a bus commissioned by the Texas governor with no knowledge of where he was going and what would happen when he got there. And, today, I’m talking to someone who has fled Russia –  Sergey refused to be mobilized to fight in support of the Putin’s war in Ukraine. We talk about his life before the war, how and why he decided to leave his homeland, how it has disrupted his life, and what he hopes for his future, having lost everything he had planned for himself and his family. Recommended:Freedom HouseMentioned:Wednesday (TV Series)-------------------------Follow Deep Dive:BlueskyYouTube Email: deepdivewithshawn@gmail.com Music: Majestic Earth - Joystock

When Russia invaded Ukraine in February of last year, the general consensus was that Ukraine was outgunned, disorganized, and unable to mount any type of meaningful resistance. The expectation was that Ukraine would fall quickly – maybe even within days of the assault. But, that didn’t happen. And, it’s not like Russia struggled – Ukraine took the fight directly to Russia, denying a quick win, holding territory that experts expected to fall effortlessly, and even reclaimed territory that Russia had taken. Ukraine’s allies in Europe, the United States, and Canada provided an unexpected level of support that has been maintained, and Russia has become a pariah on the global stage. Nothing is certain at this point, and there are signs that Russia may be regrouping and preparing for another overwhelming assault on Ukraine in the next couple of months. But, the debate has shifted from one of when Ukraine falls and how the rest of the world will react, to one focused on the strong possibility that Russia might actually lose the war. And, if that happens, I wonder that looks like.So, today I’m talking to Dr. Alexander Motyl, professor of political science at Rutgers University and a widely regarded and respected expert on Soviet and post-Soviet politics. He has published extensively – academically, as well as fiction and non-fiction books. One of his recent works in Foreign Policy – an article titled It’s High Time to Prepare for Russia’s Collapse - is the catalyst for today’s discussion. We talk about the possibility that Ukraine wins this war, what that might look like for Russia, and how the rest of the world should be preparing for this outcome.-------------------------Follow Deep Dive:BlueskyYouTube Email: deepdivewithshawn@gmail.com Music: Majestic Earth - Joystock

Consider this. 40% of all plastics that are produced today are just thrown away within a month of acquisition. Only 10% of all plastic waste is recycled – which means 90% is not. And 32% of all plastic waste ends up in nature, including our oceans. 9-14 million tons of plastic waste is dumped into the oceans every year. That’s 17 tons per minute – a garbage truck’s worth of plastic waste dumped into the oceans each minute. And, this problem is only growing. It is estimated that by 2040, between 23—37 million tons of plastic waste will make its way into our oceans each year. This has real and tangible impacts – all negative – on us, the world’s wildlife, particularly marine wildlife, and our atmosphere.Today I’m talking to Elise d'Epenoux, head of internal communications for SeaCleaners – an organization whose sole mission is to work toward pollution-free oceans, and they do so by employing some really unique strategies. They educate, they innovate, and they coordinate. Elize explains this work of SeaCleaners, and some of the more interesting and entrepreneurial projects they’ve got underway, including the Manta innovation – a first of its kind processing ship that literally trolls the seas and collects, treats, and repurposes floating plastic debris, and the Mobula Against Plastic Pollution (or MAPP) program, which unites partner organizations, governments, communities, researchers, and technical experts to implement clean-up operations on inland waters and onland activities to combat plastic pollution. We also talk about the scale of the problem, why it matters, and what we all can be doing in our daily lives to mitigate some of the worst impacts of plastic pollution upstream before it becomes a catastrophe downstream. -------------------------Follow Deep Dive:BlueskyYouTube Email: deepdivewithshawn@gmail.com Music: Majestic Earth - Joystock

Emmanuel Macron was only 39 and a relative neophyte when he was elected to the French presidency in 2017. In his first term in office, his policy agenda was so ambitious that it generated mass protest – known as the Yellow Vest movement -  that paralyzed the country. It got so bad that many wondered not only if his agenda would be imperiled, but if he would even survive re-election. It’s against these odds that Macron did manage to transform much of France’s civil and fiscal policy – including its labor, taxation, and pension laws. And, he did, in fact, win re-election in April of 2022 – in a rematch against his 2017 opponent – the right-wing leader of the National Front, Marine Le Pen. Macron, more than any other European leader, has positioned himself as the director of Europe’s response to Russian aggression. While he has maintained contact with Vladimir Putin through the Ukrainian invasion and its subsequent atrocities, much to the chagrin of many of his European counterparts, he has also worked hard to shore up solidarity on the continent, ensuring wave after wave of European sanctions continue to land on Russia. Today, I’m discussing all of this with my guest - Dr. Andy Smith – professor of Political Science at Sciences Po Bordeaux and Director of Research at Centre Emile Durkheim in Bordeaux, France. He is an expert on France, and a specialist of European integration and political economy. He has published extensively on these subjects in numerous academic journals and texts. We talk about how French politics has developed since WWII, how France and its politics are evolving to meet the challenges that the European continent is currently facing, how Macron might be reshaping France and situating himself to be a leader in Europe, and what the future might hold for France, and Europe, in former German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s absence and in the face of Russian aggression. -------------------------Follow Deep Dive:BlueskyYouTube Email: deepdivewithshawn@gmail.com Music: Majestic Earth - Joystock

I’ve had a hard time characterizing this past year – has it been uniformly dire? No – there have been some promising signs. The midterms were a disaster for Republicans. They took the House, but by a vanishingly small margin and they were unable to flip the Senate. Election deniers up and down the ticket lost their elections (although some did win), and abortion-rights movements had a strong showing across the country after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade. Additionally, the Respect for Marriage Act, enshrining the right to marriage for same-sex and bi-racial couples, was recently signed into law by President Biden. There are increasing signs that ex-President Trump might actually be held to account for his numerous misdeeds and crimes. And, it appears as if Congress is set to clarify and protect the electoral count process – perhaps, hopefully, shielding it from any future mischief on the part of Trump or his political offspring. So, was it a bad year? Kinda. Was it a good year? Kinda. I need some clarity, so for this episode I’m relying on some Deep Dive alum to weigh in. I’ve invited back some previous guests to give me their thoughts about the past year, their feelings going into the new year, and also if they celebrate any seasonal holidays and, if so, what some of their traditions are.  I’ll be talking to Dr. James Hawdon of Virginia Tech about far-right extremism and political violence and Dr. Sara Benesh of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee about the Supreme Court and what the past year suggests for its legitimacy. I’m also talking to some friends of mine about travel in the new year and some other friends about being queer in this increasingly confrontational anti-LGBTQ+ environment in the United States. But, first, I’m talking to Dr. David Faris, Associate Professor of Political Science at Roosevelt University. If you’ll remember from the episode we did together in July – we discussed some tools, legislation, and actions that Democrats can employ to ensure that our elections fairly represent the popular will and popular vote for Democrats, but also defangs the Republican Party from continuing to twist norms and procedures to anti-democratic, authoritarian ends. A lot of Dr. Faris’ suggestions hinge on a Democratic majority in Congress and holding the presidency – which we have had for the past two years, but it’s set to expire in January. Following the midterm elections, while Democrats did better than expected, they did lose the House.Recommended:It's Time to Fight Dirty - David FarisThe US Court of Appeals and the Law of Confessions - Sara BeneshDovi DesignSoda Canter - Instagram-------------------------Follow Deep Dive:BlueskyYouTube Email: deepdivewithshawn@gmail.com Music: Majestic Earth - Joystock