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Mar 20, 2024 • 41min

DNS OARC's many faces

This time on PING we have Phil Regnauld from DNS Operations Analysis & Resource Center (DNS-OARC) talking about the three distinct faces OARC presents to the community.Phil came to the OARC presidents role, replacing Keith Mitchell who was the founding president since 2008 through to this year. Phil previously has worked with the Network Startup Resource Centre (NSRC) and with AFNOG, and the Francophone Internet community at large.DNS OARC has at least 3 distinct faces. It is a community of DNS operators and researchers, who maintain an active ongoing dialogue face to face in workshops and online in the OARC Mattermost community hub. Secondly it is a home, repository and ongoing development environment for DNS related tools such as DNSVIZ (written by Casey Deccio) hosting the AS112 project, and development of the DSC systems amongst many other tools.Thirdly it is the organiser and host of the Day In The Life or DITL activity, the periodic collection of 48-72 hours of DNS traffic from the DNS root operators, and other significant sources of DNS traffic. Stretching back over 10 years DITL is a huge resource for DNS research, providing insights in the use of DNS and its behaviour on-the-wire.Read more about DNS OARC and its activities:The Domain Name Service Operations, Analysis and Research CenterThe DSC data collection and analysis systemDNS OARC software tools catalogThe Day In The Life (DITL) collection
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Mar 6, 2024 • 1h 2min

DELEG - a proposed new way to manage DNS Delegation in-band

In this episode of PING, APNICs Chief Scientist Geoff Huston discusses a new proposed DNS resource record called DELEG. The record is being designed to aid in managing where a DNS zone is delegated.Delegation is the primary mechanism used in the DNS to separate responsibility between child and parent for a given domain name. The DELEG RR is designed to address several problems, including a goal of moving to new transports for the name resolution service the DNS provides to all other Internet protocols.Additionally, Geoff believes it can help with cost and management issues inherent in out-of-band external domain name management through the registry/registrar process, bound in the whois system and in a protocol called Extensible Provisioning Protocol or EPP.There are big costs here and they include some problems dealing with intermediaries who manage your DNS on your behalf.Unlike whois, EPP, and registrar functions, DELEG would be an in-band mechanism between the parent zone, any associated registry, and the delegated child zone. It’s a classic disintermediation story about improved efficiency and enables the domain name holder to nominate intermediaries for their services, via an aliasing mechanism that has until now eluded the DNS.Read more about DELEG on the APNIC Blog and on the IETF website.DNS and the proposed DELEG record (APNIC Blog)‘Extensible Delegation for DNS‘ (IETF draft)Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) (IETF RFC)
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Feb 21, 2024 • 36min

Taking the PULSE of the Internet

This time on PING we have Amreesh Phokeer from the Internet Society (ISOC) talking about a system they operate called Pulse, available at https://pulse.internetsociety.org/. Pulse’s purpose is to assess the “resiliency” of the Internet in a given locality.Similar systems we have discussed before on Ping include APNIC’s DASH service, aimed at resource holding APNIC members, and the MANRS project. Both of these take underlying statistics like resource distribution data, or measurements of RPKI uptake or BGP behaviours and present them to the community, and in the case of MANRS there’s a formalised “score” which shows your ranking against current best practices.The Pulse system measures resilience in four pillars: Infrastructure, Quality, Security and Market Readiness. Some of these are “hard” measures analogous to MANRS and DASH, but Pulse in addition to these kinds of measurements includes “soft” indicators like the economic impacts of design decisions in an economy of interest, the extent of competition, and less formally defined attributes like the amount of resiliency behind BGP transit. This allows the ISOC Pulse system to consider governance-related aspects of the development of Internet, and has a simple scoring model which allows a single health metric analogous to the use of pulse and blood pressure by a physician to assess your condition, but this time applied to the Internet.Read more about Pulse:The https://pulse.internetsociety.org/ websiteThe Pulse BlogDon’t put all your internet infrastructure in one basket (Robbie Mitchell in the APNIC Blog)Internet Resilience on PulseInternet Resilience Index Methodology
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Feb 7, 2024 • 54min

DNS is the new BGP

In this episode of PING, APNIC’s Chief Scientist Geoff Huston discusses the role of DNS in directing where your applications connect to, and where content comes from. Although this more “steering” traffic than it “routing” in the strict sense of IP packet forwarding, (that’s still the function of the border gateway protocol or BGP) It does in fact represent a kind of routing decision, to select a content source or server logistically “best” or “closest” to you. So in the spirit of “Orange is the new Black” -DNS is the new BGP.As this change in delivery of content has emerged, the effective control on this kind of routing decision has also become more concentrated, into the hands of the small number of at-scale Content Distribution Networks (CDN) and associated DNS providers worldwide. This is far less than the 80,000 or so BGP speakers with their own AS and represents another trend to be thought about. How we optimise content delivery isn’t decided in common amongst us, its managed by simpler contractual relationships between content owner and intermediaries.The upside of course remains the improvement in efficiency of fetch for each client, the reduction in delay and loss. But the evolution of the Internet over time and the implications for governance in “steering” decisions is going to be of increasing concern.Read more about Geoff’s views of Concentration in the Internet, Governance, and Economics on the APNIC Blog and at APNIC Labs:DNS is the new BGPInternet Governance in 2023On Internet Centrality and FragmentationThe Internet as a Public UtilityAn Economic Perspective on Internet CentralityLooking at Centrality in the DNS
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Jan 24, 2024 • 38min

Global Cyber Alliance Measurements

In this episode of PING, Leslie Daigle from the Global Cyber Alliance (GCA) discusses their honeynet project, measuring bad traffic internet-wide. This was originally focussed on IoT devices with the AIDE project but is clearly more generally informative. Leslie also discusses the quad-nine DNS service, GCA’s domain trust work and the MANRS project. Launched in 2014 with support from ISOC, MANRS now has a continuing relationship with GCA and may represent a model for the routing community regarding the ‘bad traffic’ problem which the AIDE project explores.Leslie has a long history of work in the public interest, as Chief Internet Technology Officer of the Internet Society, and with the IETF. She is currently the chair of the MOPS working group, has co-authored 22 RFCs and was chair of the IAB for five years.Read more about GCA, AIDE, domain trust and honeynets:The Global Cyber Alliance (GCA)The AIDE programme at GCADomain Trust at GCAHoneynet tagged blog entries at APNIC
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Jan 10, 2024 • 56min

IPv6 Fragmentation and the DNS

In this episode of PING, APNIC’s Chief Scientist Geoff Huston discusses the change in IP packet fragmentation behaviour adopted by IPv6, and the implications of a change in IETF “Normative Language” regarding use of IPv6 in the DNS.IPv4 arguably succeeds over so many variant underlying links and networks because it’s highly adaptable to fragmentation in the path. IPv6 has a proscriptive requirement that only the end hosts fragment, which limits how intermediate systems can handle IPv6 data in flight. In the DNS, increasing complexity from things like DNSSEC mean the the DNS packet sizes are getting larger and larger, which risks invoking the IPv6 fragmentation behaviour in UDP. This has consequences for the reliability and timeliness of the DNS service.For this reason, a revision of the IETF normative language (the use of capitalised MUST MAY SHOULD and MUST NOT) directing how IPv6 integrates into the DNS service in deployment has risks. Geoff argues for a “first, do no harm” approach to this kind of IETF document.Read more about IPv6, Fragmentation, the DNS and Geoff’s measurements on the APNIC Blog and APNIC Labs:IPv6, the DNS and Happy EyeballsHow we measure DNSSEC ValidationDNS is the new BGP To DNSSEC or Not 
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Dec 6, 2023 • 30min

The ICANN DNS stats collector system

In this episode of PING, Sara Dickinson from Sinodun Internet Technologies and Terry Manderson, VP, Information Security and Network Engineering at ICANN discuss the ICANN DNS stats collector system which ICANN commissioned, and Sinodun wrote for them.This system consists of two parts, a DNS stats compactor framework which captures data in the C-DNS format, a specified set of data in CBOR format, and the DNS stats visualiser which is uses Grafana. The C-DNS format is not a complete packet capture but allows the recreation of all the DNS context of the query and response. It was standardised in 2019, in an RFC authored by Sara, her partner John, Jim Hague, John Bond and Terry.Unlike DSC, which is a 5 minute sample aggregation system, this system is able to preserve a significantly larger amount of the seen DNS query information and can even be used to re-create an on-the-wire view of the DNS (albiet not 1 to 1 identical to the original IP packetflows)Read more about the systems, and IMRS online:RFC8618 Compacted-DNS (C-DNS): A Format for DNS Packet CaptureThe ICANN github repository for DNS StatsICANN Managed Root Server (IMRS)
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Nov 22, 2023 • 1h 17min

Low Earth Orbit and the TCP congestion control problem

In this episode of PING, APNIC’s Chief Scientist Geoff Huston discusses the rise of Low Earth Orbiting (LEO) Satellite based Internet, and the consequences for end-to-end congestion control in TCP and related protocols.Modern TCP has mostly been tuned for constant delay, low loss paths and performs very well at balancing bandwidth amongst the cooperating users of such a link, achieving maximum use of the resource. But a consequence of the new LEO internet is a high degree of variability in delay, loss and consequently an unstable bandwidth, which means TCP congestion control methods aren’t working quite as well in this kind of Internet.A problem is, that with the emergence of TCP bandwidth estimation models such as BBR, and the rise of new transports like QUIC (which continue to use the classic TCP model for congestion control), we have a fundamental mismatch in how competing flows try to share the link. Geoff has been exploring this space with some tests from starlink home routers, and models of satellite visibility. His Labs starlink page shows a visualisation of behaviour of the starlink system, and a movie of views of the satellites in orbit.Read more about TCP, QUIC, LEO and Geoff’s measurements on the APNIC Blog and APNIC Labs:APNIC Labs measurements of Starlink. (2023, Geoff Huston)Comparing TCP and QUIC (November 2022, Geoff Huston)Testing LEO and GEO Satellite Services in Australia (May 2022, Geoff Huston)Transport Protocols and the Network (May 2021, Geoff Huston)Congestion Control at IETF110 (March 2021, Geoff Huston)
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Nov 8, 2023 • 33min

Negative Caching of DNS Resolution Failures

In this episode of PING, Verisign fellow Duane Wessels discusses a late state (version 08) Internet draft he’s working on with two colleagues from Verisign. The draft is on Negative Caching of DNS Resolution Failures and is co-authored by Duane, William Carroll, and Matt ThomasThis episode discusses the behaviour of the DNS system overall in the face of failures to answer. There are already mechanisms to deny the existence of a queried name or a specific resource type. There are also mechanisms to define how long this negative answer should be cached, just as there are cache lifetimes defined for how long to hold valid answers, things that do exist, and have been supplied.This time, it’s a cache of not being able to answer. The thing asked about? It might exist, or it might not. This cached data isn’t saying if it does exist or not, it’s a caching failure to be able to answer. As the draft states: “… a non-response due to a resolution failure in which the resolver does not receive any useful information regarding the data’s existence.”Prior DNS specifications did provide guidance on caching in the context of positive responses and negative responses but the only guidance relating to failing to answer was to avoid aggressive re-querying of the nameservers that should be able to answer.Read more about the draft, and other DNS-related work by Duane on the APNIC Blog:The draft Negative Caching of DNS Resolution Failures (2023, Version 08)Adding ZONEMD protections to the root zone (2023, APNIC Blog post)[Podcast] Adding ZONEMD protections to the root zone (2023, related podcast on PING)[Podcast] A look back at notable root zone changes (Duane discusses three significant root zone changes over the last decade)
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Oct 25, 2023 • 1h 20min

What really happened — 30 years of APNIC

In this episode of PING, instead of a conversation with APNIC’s Chief Scientist Geoff Huston we’ve got a panel session from APNIC56 he facilitated, where Geoff and six guests got to discuss the 30 year history of APNIC.With Geoff on the panel were:Professor Jun Murai known as the ‘father of the Internet’ in Japan. In 1984, he developed the Japan University UNIX Network (JUNET), the first-ever inter-university network in that nation. In 1988, he founded the Widely Integrated Distributed Environment (WIDE) Project, a Japanese Internet research consortium, for which he continues to serve as a board member. Along with Geoff, Jun was one of the main progenitors of what became APNIC.Elise Gerich, a 31 year veteran of Internet networking, is recognised globally for her significant contributions to the Internet. Before retiring, Elise was President of PTI and prior to that, Vice President of IANA at ICANN. Elise served as the Associate Director National Networking at Merit Network in Michigan. While at Merit she was also a Principal Investigator for NSFNET’s T3 Backbone Project and the Routing Arbiter Project and was responsible for much of the early address management Impetus which led to the creation of the RIR system.David Conrad Previously the Chief Technology Officer of ICANN, who was involved in the creation of APNIC as its first full-time employee and founding Director-General.Akinori Maemura the JPNICChief Policy Officer, and a member of the APNIC EC for 16 years, 13 of which he was Chair of the EC.Gaurab Raj Upadhaya Head of WWW Video Delivery Strategy, Prime Video at Amazon. Gaurab has been active in the Internet community for more than a decade and like Akinori served on the APNIC EC for 12 years, 7 of these as Chair of the EC.Paul Wilson has more than thirty years’ involvement with the Internet, including 25 years’ experience as the Director General of APNIC.The Panel discussed the early years of the Internet and the processes which led to the creation of APNIC along with some significant moments in the life of the registry.

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