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Dec 23, 2021 • 1h
The scary truth about service design careers / Alessandra Canella / Episode #139
Regardless of where you are today in your career, at some point you'll want to work on new challenges, learn new things and be exposed to new experiences.
When you start to get this itch it's important to recognize that it's a pivotal moment.
At this point one might take the approach where they grab the best next opportunity that presents itself on the journey.
This opportunistic approach will probably lead you to some interesting adventures, but it also comes with a significant risk.
When you let your career be determined by the direction of the wind you might end up drifting away from the things you love to do.
And the longer you stay in this position the harder it will be to let go of the lifestyle that comes with it.
This is exactly what happened to Alessandra Canella, our guest in this episode. Her career took a path which is similar to many service design professionals.
Starting out as a practitioner she slowly worked her way "up" to being a lead, managing a design team.
But what if you discover that you don't enjoy management, at all? What if you realize that your true passion is to stay close to the actual practice?
Are there still any growth opportunities left for you as a service design professional? This was the burning question Alessandra needed to find an answer to.
In this episode of the Show we discuss how she took a designerly career development approach and managed to reignite the fire within her.
You can't guarantee that every step in your career will work out the way you hope. But there's definitely a lot you can do to increase the likelihood.
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00:00 Welcome to episode 139
04:20 Who is Alessandra
05:00 60 second rapid fire
07:15 Career paths in service design
09:00 Key moments
15:15 Deliberate or organic path
18:45 The expectation
24:45 A lateral move
30:15 It's not for every organisation
33:00 How to stay on track
39:15 Finding the courage
42:15 The right moment to move
47:00 Recognizing the signals
53:00 Closing thoughts
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* https://www.linkedin.com/in/alessandracanella/
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Dec 16, 2021 • 45min
Best practices on getting buy-in and support for service design
Looking for practical service design tips and tricks? Who doesn't right :)
So in this episode you'll hear four commited service design professionals open up and share their best practices with you.
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These best practices focus on how you can get buy-in and support for your work (especially from non-designers). Which, as you probably have experienced, is not a trivial task.
To understand where these best practices are coming from we also discuss the challenges these professionals were running into, the lessons they learned the hard way and of course... what they are doing differently today to be more successful.
Is it mostly about the small details? Or is a bigger mindset shift needed?
Enjoy the episode and if you have any best practices on this topic I'd love to know!
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Dec 9, 2021 • 59min
How to establish service design in a product driven tech company? / Chris Risdon / Episode #138
A clear pattern is emerging... You know what I see when I look at who is hiring service design professionals these days?
It's product driven tech companies!
When you take a closer look it's not that surprising that these companies are looking into service design.
They are realizing that they need to take responsibility for a larger part of the user experience. A part which includes many non-digital aspects.
Just think of how AirBnB deals with properties, Uber with cars and Amazon with physical goods. But it's not just these tech giants. Examples are all around us.
You could say that these tech companies are going through their own analoge transformation.
Coming in as a service designer into such an environment is... well, quite an interesting experience with it's own set of challenges.
For instance you'll find that your work potentially overlaps a lot with product managers. Next to that you're often not tied to operation so it's hard to show tangible impact on customers. And as you start out embedded in the digital part of the company it means you can influence the entire journey.
So considering all this it's fair to say that the odds of you being successful are not stacked in your favor.
But there's hope.
Our guest this week Chris Risdon has made a sport out of establish service design within tech driven companies. And over the past years he learned through trail and error what works and what doesn't.
As often is the case the most important lessons boil down to a few simple things... things which are unfortunately easy to forget.
Luckily Chris does a great job of reminding us of them.
Even if you're currently not in a product driven tech company I'm confident that these lessons will help you be more impactful.
Enjoy the episode and keep making a positive impact :)
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00:00 Welcome to episode 138
03:30 Who is Chris
04:30 60 second rapid fire
10:15 Humanizing technology
15:15 Where is this coming from
18:45 The challenges
22:30 Is service design compatible
25:45 Sharing the wins
29:30 Where to start
34:45 The overlap with product management
39:15 What does impact look like
41:30 Connecting the dots
46:00 Be a journalist
51:45 The first steps
56:00 Final thoughts
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* https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisrisdon/
BOOKS
* https://rosenfeldmedia.com/books/orchestrating-experiences/
* Artemisia Gentileschi - https://amzn.to/31Fllse
* Visualizing Black America - https://amzn.to/3EEaNZ0
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Nov 25, 2021 • 53min
100 examples of good service design for non-designers / Daniele Catalanotto / Episode #137
Ever wanted to have a good service design case study?
What about 100? Coming up! Read on to learn more.
I still struggle when someone asks me for a case study. Because services play out over time with many micro interactions across time it's hard to capture the entire thing in one case study.
So why don't we take a different approach?
What would happen if we tear a service apart and look at those smaller interactions rather than the entire thing?
Would that help to identify best practices and elements of good service design?
We'll that's exactly what Daniele Catalanotto did... and he turned the principles which he found into a book.
This book is a much needed contribution to our field. It sort of shows very directly the outcome of good service design. Without bothering you with how that outcome came to be. Very different from the books on tools and methods or the ones that describe the high level strategic perspective.
Daniele's book helps to solve one of the biggest challenges in our work... how to make tangible what service design is for.
So how do you identify these principles? What should you look for? And what is it that you actually capture? Daniele shares his entire process in this episode.
And let me tell you that something magical happens when you start noticing and collecting these principles.
Your not only building a valuable resource library which you can easily reference later when you're looking for inspiration.
Maybe the most important part is that you start training your mind to instinctively recognize the elements of a good (and bad) service design.
This is as close to a superpower as you'll get. At least I :)
Throughout the conversation we joke about having a "pinterest for services". Which actually might not be such a bad idea.
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00:00 Welcome to episode 107
01:40 Who is Dan
03:20 60 second rapid fire
05:40 Why talking about value matters
08:30 Feeling valued
09:30 The stigma around business
11:00 Object value pricing
13:15 The basis of value pricing
15:00 Creating alignment around a goal
18:10 What is important to you
19:10 The dangerous separation between business and design
21:00 Challenger sales
24:10 Setting a benchmark
27:00 Prototyping with numbers
29:45 Giving guarantees
31:40 Pricing experiments
35:20 When do you start charging
38:00 Do this in every sales conversation
40:45 Look for win-wins
42:30 Recommended resources
43:30 Get in touch with Dan
43:55 Final thoughts
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- https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielecatalanotto/
- Episode #91 with Daniele: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br1j61UEDnA
- The book: https://store.swissinnovation.academy/service-design-principles-101-200
- Service Design: From Insight to Implementation (book) - https://amzn.to/3cC37dn
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Nov 18, 2021 • 38min
How to train your service designer? / Emily Winograd / Circle #05
Does it matter? Can you be a good service design professional without any formal training or background?
Many people I know just started doing service design without having a diploma or certificate. That's how I started in this field as well.
Mastering the craft on the job and figuring stuff out as they go along. They have, what I would call, practical wisdom.
But this lack of formal education sometimes causes unnecessary doubt and prevents you from doing your best work.
So should you get that service design degree after all?
Well, Emily Winograd has had to answer this question for herself a few times.
So I've invited Emily on the Show to share her story and the lessons she learned along the way with you.
In this conversation you'll also hear about a simple framework.
This framework helps you to uncover blind spots and learn about the strengths of your team members.
If you ever had signs of imposter syndrome in your work make sure you listen to this episode as it offers some very helpful insights!
I found Emily's story really encouraging for our field and hopefully you'll do as well.
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00:00 Welcome to the Show
03:00 Who is Emily
04:15 How to train your service designer
08:30 Stamp of approval
12:00 Imposter syndrome
14:30 The tension
17:30 The framework
22:45 Best practices
28:45 Roadblocks
32:00 Lessons learned
36:00 Closing thoughts
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Join our community of in-house service design professionals at the Circle.
https://www.servicedesignshow.com/circle/

Nov 11, 2021 • 54min
How to be a good design leader? / Todd Wilkens / Episode #136
The answer was simple...
"It gave me the opportunity to start doing things the way I really thought they should be done."
That's what Todd Wilkens said when I asked him why he decided to take on a leadership role.
I think that every service design professional out there wants to have more influence on the decisions that are being made.
Because you are the one who is fighting to do the "right thing" for your users. Who can argue against that right? Well in reality it's not that easy.
When you want more influence, moving into a leadership position is almost a must.
But what does this even mean? And is it a career step that you should consider?
In this episode Todd takes us along his transformational journey from being a design practitioner to becoming a design leader.
You'll learn about the mistakes he made along the way and now is slowly recovering from.
I have to admit that this is quite a unique perspective that hasn't been shared on the Show often.
So if you're interested in having a greater influence on the decisions around you, this is an episode you definitely don't want to miss.
What I took out of our conversations was how we should hold on tightly to the things that designers do really well. Especially when we move into a different role within the organisation.
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00:00 Welcome to episode 136
03:00 Who is Todd
04:45 60 second rapid fire
06:45 What's in store
08:45 Start of the journey
12:15 The opportunity
17:30 Making the jump
23:15 New responsibilities
28:00 Lessons learned
32:15 A better approach
39:30 Tradeoffs and compromises
42:45 What to look for
46:45 It will change you
48:15 The first step
51:15 Closing thoughts
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* https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddwilkens/
--- [ HOW TO EXPLAIN SERVICE DESIGN ] ---
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Nov 4, 2021 • 43min
Ritual design: make the mundane meaningful / Adam Cochrane / Circle 04
Let's talk about rituals (and design)...
Rituals have the power to turn an ordinary experience into something meaningful.
They can be large and community based like a family reunion dinner. They can be small and personal like writing in your gratitude journal every morning.
But what are rituals exactly? And how are they different from habits and routines?
Adam Cochrane has been looking into the field of ritual design for a while.
In this episode we explore the power of rituals as well as the potential dark side. We also discuss how you can bring rituals into your own design practice.
Curious how to make the mundane meaningful again? Make sure you don't miss this conversation!
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00:00 Welcome to the Show
02:40 Who is Adam
04:00 What is ritual design
07:30 The opportunity
08:30 The back story
13:45 Your responsibility
17:00 The why of rituals
19:30 Key principles
24:00 Where to start
28:15 Lessons learned
31:30 Next steps
37:30 Circle reflection
40:30 Closing thoughts
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Oct 28, 2021 • 50min
Can service design thrive in a product environment? / Valeria Adani / Episode #135
Isn't it funny... Even though we live in a world which is dominated by services still many organisations have a very strong product mindset.
And I get it (sort of). Products are tangible, easy to measure, perfect to manage. Everything a CEO wants right?
Well, you as a service design professional know that product centric thinking is harmful. It creates silos, destroys the customer experience and in the end is bad for business.
The reality is that product thinking isn't going to go away anytime soon.
So this begs the question: How can you connect service design with "product people" inside an organisation and use each others strengths?
Valeria Adani who's the head of service design at Frog has been faced many times with this challenge in her career.
In this week's episode she shares her most important learnings around finding a common language, focussing on implementation and the pitfalls of oversimplification.
When you take these lessons to heart I can guarantee that you'll be more impactful and do more rewarding work. Curious? Click the link below to learn more.
Hope that you'll enjoy the conversation and get something helpful out of it!
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https://www.servicedesignjobs.com/salaryreport/
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00:00 Welcome to episode 135
03:00 Who is Valeria
03:45 60 second rapid fire
06:00 The problem of a product centric mindset
09:15 Importance of language
11:45 Bridging the gap
17:45 Signs of success
23:00 The impact of design
26:15 Focus on implementation
33:00 We can't do it alone
36:00 Measuring the right things
37:30 Tips on getting started
41:45 Pitfalls of over simplification
46:45 The added value of service design
48:30 Final thoughts
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* https://www.linkedin.com/in/valeriaadani/
--- [ HOW TO EXPLAIN SERVICE DESIGN ] ---
Learn what it takes to get your clients, colleagues, managers, CEOs and even grandmas as excited about service design as you are.
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Oct 21, 2021 • 51min
How to harvest the power of a professional community / Natalie Kuhn / Circle #03
As a service designer you never stop learning.
But as you may have noticed already textbooks will only get you so far.
Pretty quickly you'll want to discuss details and nuances of our practice that aren't easily captured in traditional literature.
So how do you continue developing your skills once you reach that point?
In the old days you would join a guild. The bakers, blacksmiths or brewers.
Today these guilds are more commonly known as professional learning communities.
These communities offer you the opportunity to learn from others, find support and provide the space to reflect on your work.
But a community doesn't magically appear right in front of you.
So in this episode you're going to hear how and where you can find a community where you feel at home.
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00:00 Welcome to the Show
03:00 Who is Natalie
04:15 What is a community
09:45 The limits of online
14:15 Growing through engagement
16:00 Starting a community
23:45 The importance of ownership
25:45 Longevity of communities
31:15 The catalysts
34:45 Enabling interaction
39:15 Trust and vulnerability
42:15 Deep versus wide
46:00 Closing thoughts
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Join our community our in-house service design professionals at the Circle.
https://www.servicedesignshow.com/circle/

Oct 14, 2021 • 1h 2min
How to win the clash with existing business logic / Chris Ferguson / Episode #134
There is a clash...
A clash between existing business logic and service design.
For instance the focus on value extraction versus value creation. The difference in an open versus hierarchical workstyle. And the emphasis on statistical versus empirical evidence.
If not dealt with in the right way, this clash creates tensions which prevents you from making a positive contribution through your work.
The first step to effectively dealing with these tensions is recognizing that you're in a clash.
Our guest in this week's episode Chris Ferguson calls these tensions double binds. And Chris has been doing some foundational research into this topic.
You're going to learn about the most common double binds that he found through his research.
If you stick around till the end of the episode you'll also walk away with some concrete examples on how you can neutralize these tensions.
And if anything, at least you'll see these tensions coming and can prepare in advance :)
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00:00 Welcome to episode 134
02:00 Who is Chris
03:50 Question rapid fire round
06:00 Double binds
09:00 Traditional organisations
10:45 Work style tension
18:45 Transforming the organisation
23:15 Business model bind
30:15 Different cultures
35:15 Understanding belief systems
39:00 Learning from others
42:45 Finding your allies
52:30 Structuring projects
56:00 Final thoughts
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- https://www.linkedin.com/in/1christopherferguson/
- Razorblade Tears (book) - https://amzn.to/3lAXRfl
- The Hard Thing About Hard Things (book) - https://amzn.to/3ADVqN4
- Design Thinking at Work (book) - https://amzn.to/3DAYYlb
- Liminal thinking The pyramid of belief - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G_h4mnAMJg
- The Campfire - https://www.servicedesignshow.com/campfire/
--- [ HOW TO EXPLAIN SERVICE DESIGN ] ---
Learn what it takes to get your clients, colleagues, managers, CEOs and even grandmas as excited about service design as you are.
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