
The New Mason Jar with Cindy Rollins
The New Mason Jar with Cindy Rollins explores the application of Charlotte Mason’s philosophy to the atmosphere, discipline, and life of our homes and schools. We cover Charlotte’s timeless principles as they work themselves out in our real and modern lives. Interviewing seasoned moms who have cherished Charlotte’s works while raising real children in real families, we endeavor to lay a foundation of hope and possibility for our listeners. However imperfectly.
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Jun 6, 2024 • 1h 11min
S6E85: Morning Time for Moms, Part 4, with Christina Baehr
Show Summary: In today’s episode of The New Mason Jar, Cindy shares a chat she had with Christina Baehr, a second generation homeschooling mom in Tasmania, Australia A little about Christina’s background and various creative pursuits, including music and writing What is Pilgrim Hill, and why did Christina and her husband start it? How Christina’s own self-education was deeply influenced by her mother How Christina home educates her own children Why Christina never really stopped self-educating How Christina gets through difficult seasons Evaluating expectations as a homeschool mom How Christina got back into writing What Christina is reading right now That each thing is a word Requiring us to speak it; From the ant to the quasar, From clouds to ocean floor- The meaning not ours, but found In the mind deeply submissive To the grammar of existence, The syntax of the real; So that alien is changed To human, thing into thinking: For the world’s bare tokens We pay golden coin, Stamped with the king’s image; And poems are prophecy Of a new heaven and earth, A rumour of resurrection “Credo” by James Phillip McAuley Books and Links Mentioned: Elizabeth Goudge Edith Nesbit Elizabeth Von Arnim Cheaper by the Dozen by Frank Gilbreth and Ernestine Gilbreth Carey The Secrets of Ormdale Series by Christina Baehr Total Truth by Nancy Pearcey Beyond Mere Motherhood by Cindy Rollins Anthony Trollope P. G. Wodehouse The Mabinogion by Anonymous How We Might Live by Suzanne Fagence Cooper Find Cindy and Christina: Morning Time for Moms Cindy’s Patreon Discipleship Group Mere Motherhood Facebook Group The Literary Life Podcast Cindy’s Facebook Cindy’s Instagram Christina’s Website Christina’s Instagram Christina’s Facebook Page Pilgrim Hill “It is no small part of education to have seen much beauty, to recognize it when we see it, and to keep ourselves humble in its presence.” Charlotte Mason, Toward a Philosophy of Education

May 23, 2024 • 55min
S6E84: Morning Time for Moms Part 3 with Elissa Kroeger
On The New Mason Jar this week, Cindy and Dawn sit down to talk with veteran homeschool mom Elissa Kroeger about her own journey of self-education How Elissa first heard about Charlotte Mason Elissa’s own history with reading and self-education through her school years How Elissa’s early homeschooling community grew organically How was a Charlotte Mason lifestyle a catalyst for wholeness in Elissa’s life? How has life changed since most of Elissa’s children have grown and are no longer in her homeschool? What Elissa does now for self-education Who were the women who made the biggest impression on Elissa’s life? If we know one person who grows pale at a lofty thought, whose tears come at the telling of a heroic action, let us learn, from that, that these are thoughts and actions that have the power to move us all; therefore, we must give freely of our best, without the supercilious notion that So-and so would not understand. If music, poetry, art, give us joy, let us not hesitate to present these joys to others; for indeed, those others are made in all points like as we are, though with a different experience. The orator whose Sympathy is awake appeals to the generosity, delicacy, courage, loyalty of a mixed mob of people; and he never appeals in vain. His Sympathy, his comprehension, has discerned all these riches of the heart in the unpromising crowd before him and; like Ariel, released from his tree prison leaps out of many a human prison, a beautiful human being at the touch of this key. Charlotte Mason, Ourselves Books and Links Mentioned: Better Late Than Early by Raymond Moore Mere Motherhood by Cindy Rollins The Chronicles of Prydain by Lloyd Alexander The Tripods Series by John Christopher Byzantium by Stephen Lawhead The City of God by St. Augustine Genevieve Foster H. E. Marshall Spiritual Sight by Joyce McPherson AmblesideOnline Set Your Feet Retreat It is by way of an effort towards this adjustment of power that I wish to bring before parents and teachers the subject of ‘masterly inactivity’. We ought to do so much for our children, and are able to do so much for them, that we begin to think everything rests with us and that we should never intermit for a moment our conscious action on the young minds and hearts about us. Our endeavours become fussy and restless. We are too much with our children ‘late and soon’. We try to dominate them too much, even when we fail to govern, and we are unable to perceive that wise and purposeful letting alone is the best part of Education. But this form of error arises from a defect of our qualities. We may take heart. We have the qualities and all that is wanted is an adjustment; to this we must give our time and attention. Charlotte Mason, School Education Find Cindy and Dawn: Morning Time for Moms Cindy’s Patreon Discipleship Group Mere Motherhood Facebook Group The Literary Life Podcast Cindy’s Facebook Cindy’s Instagram Dawn’s Swedish Drill website Dawn’s A Reasoned Patriotism website Dawn’s Substack

May 9, 2024 • 1h 11min
S6E83: A Heart to Heart with the AmblesideOnline Advisory
On The New Mason Jar today, we bring you a conversation Cindy and Dawn had with the AmblesideOnline Advisory members Anne White, Donna-Jean Breckenridge, Karen Glass and Leslie Laurio. How the friendship of the AO Advisory developed and has been a gift for each member throughout the years Did the Advisory members use the whole AO curriculum as written? What about those fears about missing out on something if a family doesn’t do everything in the curriculum perfectly? The simplicity of the Charlotte Mason approach to language arts Do any of the Advisory doubt Charlotte Mason’s methods now that they have all graduated their children? Are there any things that aren’t common knowledge that the Advisory wants to share? Books and Links Mentioned: AmblesideOnline Six Voices, One Story by Donna-Jean Breckenridge, et. al. In Vital Harmony by Karen Glass For the Children’s Sake by Susan Schaeffer Macaulay AO Advisory Bios: Anne White grew up and still lives in southern Ontario. She anticipated David Epstein’s Range by changing her university major three times and stretching a four-year degree into seven, but she did complete a BA in creative writing, and later added a BEd in adult education. In the thirty years between those things, she (and her husband) raised three homeschooled daughters, who have each found their own Range. Anne has been associated with AmblesideOnline since its beginning, and is the author of several books about Charlotte Mason’s philosophy. Donna-Jean Breckenridge lives with her family in northern New Jersey. She is honored to be a founding member of the AmblesideOnline Advisory, and she continues to serve AO’s community while homeschooling her granddaughters. She is a public speaker, writer (This Country of Ours – Annotated, Edited, and Updated and Six Voices, One Story: The Heart of AmblesideOnline), and audiobook narrator. She counts her greatest roles as mom to her four children, grandmother to five, and grateful friend. Her heart’s desire is to encourage others that God is safe to trust, no matter what. After living 25 years in Krakow, Poland, Karen Glass currently lives in Indiana with her husband and youngest daughter. She is a founding member of AmblesideOnline and home educated her four children through graduation. She is the author of several books related to Charlotte Mason and speaks and teaches on the philosophy and methods (especially narration). She reads, writes, tries to grow things, and has been known to crochet doilies and knit socks. Leslie Laurio is an art school dropout, a veteran, a homeschool mom, and one of the founders and original creators of AmblesideOnline. She and her husband live in Tennessee and have four children who were homeschooled all the way from kindergarten through high school, and are now married and scattered across the eastern US pursuing various careers and passions. She has paraphrased the Charlotte Mason series, Parables From Nature, and other works. The person who can live upon his own intellectual resources and never know a dull hour (though anxious and sad hours will come) is indeed enviable in these days of intellectual inanition, when we depend upon spectacular entertainments pour passer le temps [to pass the time]. If knowledge means so much to us, “What is knowledge?” the reader asks. We can give only a negative answer. Knowledge is not instruction, information, scholarship, a well-stored memory. It is passed, like the light of a torch, from mind to mind, and the flame can be kindled at original minds only. Thought, we know, breeds thought; it is as vital thought touches our minds that our ideas are vitalized, and out of our ideas comes our conduct of life… The direct and immediate impact of great minds upon his own mind is necessary to the education of a child. Charlotte Mason, Towards a Philosophy of Education, p. 303 Let us, out of reverence for the children, be modest; let us not stake their interests on the hope that this or that new way would lead to great results if people had only the courage to follow it. It is exciting to become a pioneer; but, for the children’s sake, it may be well to constrain ourselves to follow those roads only by which we know that persons have arrived, or those newer roads which offer evident and assured means of progress towards a desired end. Charlotte Mason, School Education, p. 245

Apr 25, 2024 • 1h 8min
S6E82: Morning Time for Moms (and Dads!), Part 2, with Summer and Mike Smith
Every plant bears fruit, ‘fruit and seed after his kind.’ All this is stale knowledge to older people, but one of the secrets of the educator is to present nothing as stale knowledge, but to put himself in the position of the child, and wonder and admire with him; for every common miracle which the child sees with his own eyes makes of him for the moment another Newton. Charlotte Mason, Home Education, p. 54 Show Summary: On The New Mason Jar this week, Cindy and Dawn continue their Morning Time for Moms series with guests Summer and Mike Smith How Summer and Mike first learned about Charlotte Mason and her philosophy Mike’s early love for books and Summer’s own life of reading How Mike and Summer continued to enjoy reading and self-education after formal schooling Some thoughts on the college experience How Summer keeps up her own education while homeschooling How Mike and Summer help their children see ministry opportunities in their community Books and Links Mentioned: In Vital Harmony by Karen Glass Snow Treasure by Marie McSwigan Number the Stars by Lois Lowry Ice Magic by Matt Christopher The Kid Who Only Hit Homers by Matt Christopher Brighty of the Grand Canyon by Marguerite Henry Pickle Chiffon Pie by Jolly Roger Bradfield Little House Series by Laura Ingalls Wilder Anne of Green Gables by L. M. Montgomery The Upstairs Room by Johanna Reiss Summer of My German Soldier by Bette Greene The Diary of A Young Girl by Anne Frank Calico Palace by Gwen Bristow Jubilee Trail by Gwen Bristow Celia Garth by Gwen Bristow American Regional Books by Lois Lenski Nancy Drew series by Carolyn Keene Kent Family Chronicles series by John Jakes Range by David Epstein Holling C. Holling The Supper of the Lamb by Robert Farrar Capon Beyond Mere Motherhood by Cindy Rollins Paradise Lost by John Milton The Iliad by Homer The Aeneid by Virgil Understood Betsy by Dorothy Canfield Fisher C. S. Lewis T. S. Eliot Far From the Madding Crowd by Thomas Hardy The Trumpet-Major by Thomas Hardy Jerusalem Delivered by Torquato Tasso Arabian Sands by Wilfred Thesiger The Major and the Missionary by Diana Pavlac Glyer The Odyssey by Homer A Curious Life for a Lady by Pat Barr Church History in Plain Language by Bruce Shelley The Latin Letters of C. S. Lewis ed. and trans. by Martin Moynihan Find Cindy and Dawn: Morning Time for Moms Cindy’s Patreon Discipleship Group Mere Motherhood Facebook Group The Literary Life Podcast Cindy’s Facebook Cindy’s Instagram Dawn’s Swedish Drill website Dawn’s A Reasoned Patriotism website Dawn’s Substack We should allow no separation to grow up between the intellectual and the ‘spiritual’ life of children; but should teach them that the divine Spirit has constant access to their spirits, and is their continual helper in all the interests, duties, and joys of life. Charlotte Mason, Principle 18

Apr 18, 2024 • 38min
S6E81: “Joy in the Morning” Summer Discipleship
If mankind had not been organized into families, it would never have had the organic power to be organized into commonwealths. Human culture is handed down in the customs of countless households. It is the only way in which human culture can remain human. G. K. Chesterton, Marriage and the Modern Mind Show Summary: For this week’s episode of The New Mason Jar, Cindy and Dawn share about this year’s summer discipleship course, “Joy in the Morning” Gretchen Neisler tells about her own experience with past summer discipleship and why she keeps coming back for more What you can expect from this year’s Morning Time for Moms content and schedule Other ways you can benefit from Cindy’s wisdom and interact with other moms (Scroll down to the “Find Cindy” section for all the links) Books Mentioned: A White Bird Flying by Bess Streeter Aldrich A Lantern in Her Hand by Bess Streeter Aldrich In Vital Harmony by Karen Glass Ideas Freely Sown by Anne White Mere Motherhood by Cindy Rollins Live Not By Lies by Rod Dreher Charlotte Mason’s Great Recognition by Deani Van Pelt and Camille Malucci Joy in the Morning (Jeeves in the Morning) by P. G. Wodehouse Much Ado About Nothing by William Shakespeare Norms and Nobility by David Hicks Find Cindy: Morning Time for Moms Cindy’s Patreon Discipleship Group Mere Motherhood Facebook Group The Literary Life Podcast Cindy’s Facebook Cindy’s Instagram Subscribe: Audible Apple Podcasts Google Podcasts Podcast Addict Spotify Those who believe in the dignity of the domestic tradition, who happen to be the overwhelming majority of mankind, regard the home as a sphere of vast social importance and supreme spiritual significance, and to talk of being “confined” to it is like talking of being chained to a throne or set in the seat of judgment as if it were the stocks. G. K. Chesterton, “The Dignity of Domesticity,” The Illustrated London News, 1929

Apr 11, 2024 • 37min
S6E80: Spring Nature Study with Jeannette Tulis
They notice for themselves, and the teacher gives a name and other information as it is asked for… In this way they lay up that store of “common information”… and what is more important, they learn to know and delight in natural objects as in the familiar faces of friends. Charlotte Mason, School Education, p. 237 Show Summary: On The New Mason Jar this week, we bring you a conversation all about spring nature study with Cindy, Dawn and Cindy’s friend Jeannette Tulis, who has been a previous guest on the podcast How can moms begin nature study when they have never done it before? How to find spring ephemeral wildflowers, and other things to look for at this time of year Ideas for stepping up your nature study game What are some tips for nature journaling? Books and Links Mentioned: Episode 12: Charlotte Mason Study Groups Episode 56: Building a Home Library Who’s Afraid of a Little Paint? by Jeannette Tulis The Tree Identification Book by George Symonds Wild Green Things in the City by Anne Ophelia Dowden The First Book of Weeds by Barbara Beck Find Cindy: Morning Time for Moms Cindy’s Patreon Discipleship Group Mere Motherhood Facebook Group The Literary Life Podcast Cindy’s Facebook Cindy’s Instagram Let them once get in touch with Nature, and a habit is formed which will be a source of delight through life. We were all meant to be naturalists, each in his degree, and it is inexcusable to live in a world so full of the marvels of plant and animal life and to care for none of these things. Charlotte Mason, Home Education, p. 61

Mar 28, 2024 • 42min
S6E79: “A Bit of the World’s Work” with Anne White
Ourselves, our Souls and Bodies is much used in the P.U.S., as I know of no other attempt to present such a ground plan of human nature as should enable the young student to know where he is in his efforts to ‘be good’ as the children say. The point of view taken in this volume is, that all beautiful and noble possibilities are present in every one; but that each person is subject to assaults and hindrances in various ways of which he should be aware in order that he may watch and pray. Hortatory teaching is apt to bore both young people and their elders; but an ordered presentation of the possibilities and powers that lie in human nature and of the risks that attend these, can hardly fail to have an enlightening and stimulating effect. Charlotte Mason, Towards a Philosophy of Education Show Summary: On the New Mason Jar today we welcome back Anne White, veteran homeschool mom, author, and member of the AmblesideOnline Advisory How Anne first discovered Charlotte Mason About Anne’s new book title and how she came to write this work Is this book for homeschoolers? How can we understand and apply “justice” in the way that Charlotte meant here? Why children need time and space to think and let ideas work in them What do you mean by the statement that “there is is only sacred, sanctified education, or desecrated education”? How Anne tied the magic of narration into the ideas in this book Books and Links Mentioned: For the Children’s Sake by Susan Schaeffer Macaulay A Bit of the World’s Work by Anne White Offering Ourselves: A Lenten Journey with Charlotte Mason by Anne White Honest, Simple Souls by Anne White Ourselves by Charlotte Mason Find Cindy and Anne: Morning Time for Moms Cindy’s Patreon Discipleship Group Mere Motherhood Facebook Group The Literary Life Podcast Cindy’s Facebook Cindy’s Instagram Anne Writes Anne’s Author Page on Amazon Anne’s Blog: Dewey’s Treehouse The worth of any calling depends upon its being of use; and no day need go by without giving us practice in usefulness. Each one is wanted for the special bit of work he is fit for; and, of each, it is true that– “Thou cam’st not to thy place by accident: It is the very place God meant for thee.” Charlotte Mason, Ourselves, Bk. 1, pp. 209-210

Mar 14, 2024 • 43min
S6E78: Morning Time for Moms, Part 1, with Jami Marstall
The mind is a spiritual octopus, reaching out limbs in every direction to draw in enormous rations of that which under the actions of the mind itself becomes knowledge. Nothing can stale its infinite variety; the heavens and the earth, the past, the present, and future, things great and things minute, nations and men, the universe, all are within the scope of the human intelligence. Charlotte Mason, Toward a Philosophy of Education, p. 330 Show Summary: On The New Mason Jar this week, Cindy and Dawn kick off a new series of the podcast, Morning Time for Moms, with our first guest in the series, Jami Marstall How Jami first came to hear about Charlotte Mason How much of AmblesideOnline’s curriculum Jami has personally read as the mother and teacher What practices Jami put in place to ensure she was growing in knowledge How the mother-teacher is the guide, philosopher, and friend What is the significance of the “spiritual octopus” quote from the intro? How can moms build a reading life in the busy seasons of life? What Jami is reading now and what some of her other activities are Books and Links Mentioned: Beyond Mere Motherhood by Cindy Rollins For the Children’s Sake by Susan Schaeffer Macaulay For the Family’s Sake by Susan Schaeffer Macaulay Towards a Philosophy of Education by Charlotte Mason The Idea of America by Gordon S. Wood John Adams by David McCullough The Universe Next Door by James Sire The Count of Monte Cristo by Alexander Dumas The Once and Future King by T. H. White Lynn Bruce’s article on The Spiritual Octopus S2E22: Charlotte Mason Through High School with Jami Marstall Find Cindy and Dawn: Morning Time for Moms Cindy’s Patreon Discipleship Group Mere Motherhood Facebook Group The Literary Life Podcast Cindy’s Facebook Cindy’s Instagram Dawn’s Swedish Drill website Dawn’s A Reasoned Patriotism website Dawn’s Substack What we are concerned with is the fact that we personally have relations with all that there is in the present, all that there has been in the past, and all that there will be in the future––with all above us and all about us––and that fullness of living, expansion, expression, and serviceableness, for each of us, depend upon how far we apprehend these relationships and how many of them we lay hold of…. Every [mother] is heir to an enormous patrimony, heir to all the ages, inheritor of all the present. The question is, what are the [educational] formalities necessary to put [her] in possession of that which is [hers]? paraphrase of Charlotte Mason from School Education, pg. 186

Feb 29, 2024 • 54min
S6E77: Seeing the Big Picture with Heather Martin
Three Questions for the Mother…She must ask herself Why must the children learn at all? What should they learn? And, How should they learn it? If she takes the trouble to find a definite and thoughtful answer to each of these three queries, she will be in a position to direct her children’s studies; and will, at the same time, be surprised to find that three-fourths of the time and labour ordinarily spent by the child at his lessons is lost time and wasted energy. Charlotte Mason, Home Education, p. 171 Show Summary: On this week’s episode of The New Mason Jar, Cindy and Dawn sit down to chat with veteran homeschool mom, Heather Martin about a wide variety of topics How and when Heather actually learned about Charlotte Mason after organically using many of her methods all along How getting a teaching certificate actually ensured Heather would choose to home educate instead Were there challenges specific to having only boys? What were some of the intentional things you did in your home to build your family culture? Some encouragement for moms regarding mathematics How Heather started local recitation gatherings with other homeschoolers Books and Links Mentioned: Mere Motherhood by Cindy Rollins Range by David Epstein In Vital Harmony by Karen Glass Find Cindy: Morning Time for Moms Cindy’s Patreon Discipleship Group Mere Motherhood Facebook Group The Literary Life Podcast Cindy’s Facebook Cindy’s Instagram

Feb 15, 2024 • 35min
S6E76: “Beyond Mere Motherhood” with Cindy and Dawn
No one knoweth the things of a man but the spirit of a man which is in him; therefore, there is no education but self-education… Charlotte Mason, Toward a Philosophy of Education, p. 26 Show Summary: On The New Mason Jar this week, Cindy and Dawn sit down to chat about Cindy’s newest book, Beyond Mere Motherhood How this book came to be What Cindy hopes this book to be and who it is for What you can expect from each chapter of the book How this book is helping launch a new podcast series coming soon! Books and Links Mentioned: Toward a Philosophy of Education by Charlotte Mason Beyond Mere Motherhood by Cindy Rollins The Hidden Art of Homemaking by Edith Schaeffer “Why the KJV?” by Lynn Bruce Blue Sky Daisies Find Cindy and Dawn: Morning Time for Moms Cindy’s Patreon Discipleship Group Mere Motherhood Facebook Group The Literary Life Podcast Cindy’s Facebook Cindy’s Instagram Dawn’s Swedish Drill website Dawn’s A Reasoned Patriotism website Dawn’s Substack We allow no separation to grow up between the intellectual and spiritual life of mothers, but teach them that the Divine Spirit has constant access to their spirit and is their continue Helper in all the interests, duties, and joys of life. paraphrase of Charlotte Mason’s 20th Principle