Nareit's REIT Report Podcast

Making substantive progress on ESG issues involves going beyond individual corporate actions to encompass industry-wide efforts to bring about real change, says Mneesha Nahata, SVP, Legal & Chief Sustainability Officer at American Tower Corp. (NYSE: AMT).Speaking on the REIT Report, Nahata noted that in addition to finding practical solutions, making investments, and innovating as a company, “it is really about working together and collaboration with other like-minded companies to make a substantive difference, whether that is working together to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, or bridging the digital divide to provide upskilling opportunities to underserved communities.”Nahata said American Tower has placed sustainable operations at the core of its business. “We believe we can be champions of change in the industry and that requires addressing ESG holistically across our organization. And that includes at the very top.”

The recently enacted Inflation Reduction Act contains $369 billion in energy-related provisions, including new tax credit incentives that were previously unavailable to the REIT industry, says Nareit EVP and General Counsel Cathy Barré.Speaking to the REIT Report, Barré points out that a number of obstacles have historically limited the ability of REITs to utilize tax credit incentives, with REIT tax credits typically going unused.Barré points out that under the new legislation, however, REITs that make an eligible investment in EV charging stations, or geothermal and solar capability, will now have the full tax credit available to sell at the REIT level.During the interview, Barré discusses how the legislation will impact REITs that invest in eligible sustainability-related projects. She also explains the nature of the tax credit incentives, and how REITs can qualify.

A corporate governance structure that includes board members that are independent, yet work as strong partners to the executive board, has clear long-term benefits for REIT performance, says Bill Ferguson, chairman of global professional services firm Ferguson Partners.Speaking on the REIT Report, Ferguson said “it’s a fine balance…the board is there to be a fiduciary and represent the shareholders’ interests, but the bottom line is that they also need to be a good partner to the leadership team to make sure that the strategy and the execution of the business makes sense.”Issues surrounding governance, in addition to a range of other ESG topics, will be explored at Nareit’s upcoming REITworks: 2022 Conference held on Sept. 12-13 in La Quinta, California.

With listed REITs trading at sizeable discounts to their underlying gross asset value, institutional investors should prioritize public real estate at this time, says Dave Bragg, co-head of strategic research at Green Street.“Now is a great time to prioritize the public market as it is on sale,” Bragg told the REIT Report.Bragg stressed the advisability for investors to have a dual mandate across the public and private real estate markets as it “really does maximize one's opportunity to generate alpha.”Listed REITs have had meaningful declines this year, Bragg noted, but it reflects a broader trend, which is that “just about every asset that one can imagine has delivered a negative total return.”Bragg also noted that capital flows are a key driver of the disconnect in public and private market values. Private market flows have remained robust in 2022 and may even match last year’s record-setting tally, he said. Meanwhile, flows into listed REITs “remain quite tepid.”

The sale of roughly half of PREIT’s (NYSE: PEI) portfolio of shopping malls, combined with the replacement of unproductive department stores with better performing assets, positions the company well for the future and makes a compelling case for investors, says Chairman and CEO Joe Coradino.Speaking on the Nareit REIT Report, Coradino also commented on how PREIT is evolving its properties into community hubs.“With assets in Philadelphia and Washington, D.C. that are well located, and with opportunities to do upwards of 4,000 apartments, [as well as] medical facilities and life sciences technology, our ability to attract either buyers or joint venture partners is pretty profound. It gives us a way to harvest capital and create value in these properties,” Coradino said.

Real estate deal activity is concentrating on sectors that can perform well in a rising rate environment or in periods of high inflation, with experiential-oriented assets in particular demand, says Tim Bodner, partner and U.S. real estate deals leader at PwC.Speaking on the REIT Report, Bodner said PwC has continued to see activity building in the lodging space, as well as for casinos, marinas, and ski resorts. “All things that are tied to people being out.”Bodner said PwC is anticipating robust deal activity in the back half of 2022, although it may be more episodic in the listed segment of the market.The current environment has meant that there’s a lot more focus on underwriting, Bodner said. “Certainly, growth in rents and in NOI is something that folks are spending a lot of time putting attention on to make sure they feel good about their forward projections.”

Commercial real estate is in a position to take a leading role to advance the sustainability agenda, while regulation is also helping to move the whole industry forward, says Matt Ellis, founder and CEO of Measurabl, a provider of ESG data management solutions.Speaking on the REIT Report, Ellis said there is a “tremendous leadership opportunity in our sector to really take advantage of the transition to green for the better of everyone—our occupiers and customers, our investors, and certainly ourselves as well. I think that we're in a good position to do it. We just can't slow down. We’ve got to speed up.”Ellis described Measurabl, launched in 2013, as a “decade-long project to build the tools for measuring, managing, reporting, and ultimately acting on sustainability for the real estate sector.” He noted that there has been “a profound migration of organizations of every size around the world towards more sustainable business models. This is being done in just the span of a few years.”

The affordable housing crisis facing the United States today is not just a lower-income phenomena, but impacts individuals making six-figure salaries, says Kenneth Bacon, co-founder and managing partner of financial advisory and asset management firm RailField Partners, and former Fannie Mae executive.Speaking on the REIT Report, Bacon, who also serves as board chair at Welltower Inc. (NYSE: WELL), said “if you pull back the covers and look at the data, you'll see that young professionals, people earning six figure salaries in cities like San Francisco and New York, are hard pressed to find places that they can afford.”Bacon said the biggest problem behind the lack of affordable housing today is that the building process has become too long and difficult.As for the state of the commercial real estate sector today, Bacon said that as interest rates rise he sees a return to a “more normalized investment ecology.” That in turn will mean that investors are “going to have to work a lot harder to get some of these returns. I think some deals just aren’t going to get done.”

Conditions in the lodging and hospitality real estate sector are healthy overall, but the combination of ongoing labor shortages, interest rate creep, and high construction costs are acting to soften margins, says Daniel Weede, partner in Morris, Manning & Martin’s hospitality, real estate, and real estate development & finance practices.Speaking on the REIT Report, Weede noted that “there's a lot of optimism in this industry, and I think, at least for the next several years, that's likely to stay.” However, “margins are thinner,” he added.Weede also discussed the potential for consolidation, noting that there will be likely be more merger and acquisition activity in the next 12 to 24 months than seen in the previous 12 to 24 months. “It's a healthy industry, but you've got some players that are doing really, really well, and others that are struggling a little bit.”

Phillips Edison & Co., Inc. is seeing a “really strong” operating environment across its portfolio, but the REIT also has a realistic view that there are going to be pressures weighing on the consumer from a range of macroeconomic factors, Chairman and CEO Jeffrey Edison said.Speaking on Nareit’s REIT Report, Edison noted that questions from investors at Nareit’s REITweek: 2022 Investor Conference last week revolved around the theme of potential disruption to the current environment from factors including higher interest rates and inflation pressure.“I think we have a realistic view that there are going to be pressures on the consumer from those macro events,” Edison said.