
AI Summer
Tim Lee and Dean Ball interview leading experts about the future of AI technology and policy. www.aisummer.org
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Apr 16, 2025 • 58min
Dean Ball is leaving the podcast
A co-host transitions to a new role as a senior policy advisor for AI in the White House. Speculations arise about how AI might reshape the world over the next few decades. The discussion contrasts human uniqueness with the evolving role of AI, focusing on creativity and morality in an automated landscape. Insights into the Office of Science and Technology Policy reveal its critical role in AI governance. The need for transparency and ethical considerations in AI development is emphasized, alongside a heartfelt farewell to a key team member.

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Apr 7, 2025 • 1h 2min
Charles Yang on AI and Science
In this engaging conversation, Charles Yang, a former Department of Energy staffer and the mind behind the Rough Drafts newsletter, discusses AI's transformative potential in science. He dives into how AI can revolutionize materials science and biology, emphasizing the development of self-driving labs that automate experiments. The talk also highlights the complexities of integrating AI with quantum computing and the need for robust experimental databases. Yang shares insights on the challenges of making scientific research more efficient and reproducible.

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Mar 19, 2025 • 53min
James Grimmelmann on the copyright threat to AI companies
James Grimmelmann, a Cornell law professor and copyright expert, discusses the complex legal landscape of AI and copyright. He explores the fine line between fair use and infringement, referencing pivotal cases like Google Books. Grimmelmann highlights concerns about generative AI's ability to reproduce copyrighted material, emphasizing the potential impact on copyright holders. The conversation also covers the slow-moving legislative response and suggests future rulings could favor large companies negotiating licensing deals, reshaping the tech industry.

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Feb 27, 2025 • 1h 1min
Andrew Lee on running an AI email startup
Andrew Lee, co-founder of Shortwave and former Firebase founder, shares insights on transforming traditional email into an AI-powered experience. He discusses how Shortwave employs large language models for advanced inbox organization and message drafting. Andrew explores the balance between open and closed models, the vital role of user feedback, and emerging AI security challenges. He also speculates on the future of email management, emphasizing user customization and productivity enhancements through innovative AI solutions.

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Feb 21, 2025 • 1h 3min
Dean and Tim on Deep Research and the Paris Summit
Dean shares insights from the AI Action Summit in Paris, where Vice President Vance addressed AI regulation. The conversation dives into Europe's mindset on AI, highlighting tensions with American tech dominance and differing regulatory priorities. They also explore OpenAI's new deep research agent, which promises a revolutionary approach to policy research and dynamic investigation. The challenges of AI's cognitive limitations and the evolving roles for think tank professionals in the age of AI are also discussed, emphasizing the importance of human perspectives.

Feb 12, 2025 • 52min
Kashmir Hill on falling love with ChatGPT
Kashmir Hill, a New York Times reporter known for her insights on technology's social impacts, dives into the intriguing world of AI companionship. She discusses how users develop emotional and even romantic connections with chatbots like ChatGPT, raising ethical questions about safety—especially for younger users. Hill explores the humor and implications of personalized AI interactions, particularly in the context of adult content. She also addresses the challenges posed by facial recognition technology and its profound effect on privacy and civil liberties.

Feb 5, 2025 • 1h 3min
Sophia Tung on riding a self-driving taxi in China
Sophia Tung, an entrepreneur and YouTuber, shares her riveting experiences with self-driving taxis in China and the U.S. She contrasts her ride in Baidu's Apollo Go with her experiences in Waymo, revealing significant issues in the former. Sophia navigates the complexities of China's autonomous vehicle landscape, discussing cultural differences, safety concerns, and the rapid yet challenging implementation of technology. The conversation also dives into the broader implications of the AI race between China and the U.S., highlighting unique advancements and persistent challenges.

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Jan 29, 2025 • 57min
Dean and Tim on DeepSeek and AI progress
Dean and Tim dive into DeepSeek’s r1 release and its significance for the AI field. They analyze the implications of export controls on AI competition, particularly between the U.S. and China. The conversation highlights the innovations in hardware and the economic ramifications of AI advancements. Despite the hype around new models, skepticism remains regarding their ability to handle complex reasoning. The duo reflects on the balance between automation, productivity gains, and the potential societal impacts.

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Jan 27, 2025 • 1h 19min
Nathan Labenz on the future of AI scaling
Nathan Labenz, host of the Cognitive Revolution podcast and an AI scout, joins to discuss the recent slowdown in AI scaling. He notes that while technology adoption has lagged, significant advancements still occur in model capabilities. Labenz anticipates continued rapid progress, maintaining that we're still on the steep part of the scaling curve. The conversation also highlights AI's potential to discover new scientific concepts, emphasizing the need for a deeper understanding of scaling laws and the complexities within AI organizations.

Jan 23, 2025 • 1h 6min
Lennart Heim on the AI diffusion rule
Lennart Heim, an information scientist at the RAND Corporation specializing in AI governance, delves into the Biden administration’s diffusion framework aimed at regulating advanced AI. He discusses the geopolitical implications of this framework and its potential legacy under different administrations. The conversation highlights the complexities surrounding AI export controls, particularly concerning national security and competition with China. The impact on major companies like NVIDIA and AMD, along with the ethical concerns surrounding global AI distribution, are also key topics.
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