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Oct 2, 2023 • 1h 30min
332 The Future of Tech Startups with Paul Martino of Bullpen Capital
If you have been following Silicon Valley and tech news, you might be wondering what the future of tech startups in general are and what trends venture capitalists are following nowadays. Our guest, Paul Martino, might be able to answer those questions for you.
Paul Martino is the founder of eight companies including Tribe; one of the world's first social networks, and aggregate knowledge a big data advertising company. Paul holds over a dozen patents on core social networking concepts, content targeting and recommendation systems.
This is a fun, fascinating and deeply insightful conversation with one of our favorite thinkers in the tech startup world.
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Paul Martino on Venture Capital, Fundraising, and Market Sentiment
The conversation begins with Paul Martino and Christopher Lochhead talking about the challenging environment for venture capitalists.
Paul Martino acknowledges the tough 18 months, highlighting a temporary upswing but anticipating further challenges.
Christopher shares mixed signals from CEOs, noting a tough market despite some positive indicators. Paul observes a significant change in fundraising capital availability in Q2, attributing it to increased confidence with NASDAQ's rise.
As Christopher mentions entrepreneurs preferring angel investors over traditional VCs due to difficulties and lowered valuations, Paul disapproves of VC complacency during tough times and assures entrepreneurs that committed VCs like him are open for business, emphasizing their entrepreneurial mindset. He also understands the logic behind entrepreneurs relying on existing investors during market uncertainty.
Paul Martino on the impact of market downturn on early- and late-stage companies
They then continue to discuss the challenges faced by late-stage companies dealing with overvalued situations.
Paul emphasizes the distinction between a down round and a recap, suggesting that a down round, while not ideal, is manageable. He also stresses the importance of CEOs accepting a realistic valuation to issue new options and retain employees, criticizing those who let ego hinder practical decisions.
Christopher raises concerns about companies with significantly reduced growth rates, questioning their true value. Paul gives a hypothetical example of a $10 billion company dropping to $3 billion, highlighting the need for companies to adapt and not shy away from necessary adjustments to move forward.
Paul Martino on San Francisco's decline and potential for recovery
The conversation shifts to the topic of the decline of vibrant cities like San Francisco and Portland.
Paul observes the eerie emptiness in once-bustling areas, expressing concern for the loss of the lively environment. Lochhead shares similar sentiments, reminiscing about the exciting times they experienced during previous boom periods. They discuss the root causes of these issues, focusing on policy changes like Prop 47 and Prop 57 in California that decriminalized theft under $1,000, leading to increased crime rates.
Paul believes it will take a new generation of pragmatic leaders to address institutional problems and revive cities, estimating a 20-year timeframe for San Francisco's recovery. The conversation highlights their shared disappointment in witnessing the decline of the cities they once knew.
To hear more from Paul Martino and the future of tech startups, download and listen to this episode.
Bio
Paul Martino is a Managing General Partner at Bullpen Capital. Paul is the founder of eight companies including Ahpah Software (a computer security firm acquired by InterTrust; Tribe (one of the world’s first social networks), and Aggregate Knowledge (a big data advertising attribution company acquired in 2014 by Neustar).
Paul’s early online gaming innovations in multi-play...

Sep 25, 2023 • 1h 34min
331 How To Have A Legendary Career, Regulate AI & Much More with David Schellhase, Silicon Valley Legal Obi Wan and Salesforce & Slack’s Former General Counsel
If you're someone who wants to have a legendary, long-term, and super-successful professional career, you're going to love this dialogue with Silicon Valley’s Legal Obi-Wan, David Schellhase.
David Schellhase is considered as one of the greatest General Counsels in Silicon Valley history. David was the GC at Salesforce for nine years, and he was the GC that took them public. He was the GC at Groupon, and most recently, the GC at Slack.
On this highly engaging episode, David and Christopher cover everything from the problems plaguing San Francisco in California, to how lawyers can be true partners who helped power the success of a legendary business.
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David Schellhase on the Challenges facing San Francisco
The dialogue starts off on the topic of the current state of San Francisco. David described downtown San Francisco as a ghost town with a lack of energy and a significantly reduced population, feeling like just a really small scale of what it was four years ago. He expressed concern that there's no immediate rebound in sight.
Christopher pointed out that policies and politicians may have contributed to the city's issues, but some complexity exists in understanding the causes. David acknowledged that many are well-intentioned but lack a clear understanding of cause and effect.
They discussed the challenges of addressing issues like addiction and the need for comprehensive solutions, rejecting simplistic approaches. David emphasized the difficulty of the situation and the desire for an easy solution.
Stuck in the middle
David Schellhase discussed the challenges of dealing with complex problems, particularly in San Francisco, where there's a high tolerance for individuals facing issues like addiction and homelessness. He noted the difficulty of reaching marginalized individuals with chemical problems.
Christopher shared a scuba diving analogy, emphasizing the need to make a clear choice between being supportive and caring or taking a more serious approach. He highlighted the inconsistency in dealing with crimes related to opioids, such as fentanyl, where some individuals receive lenient sentences despite carrying dangerous substances. Christopher argued that society is stuck in an ambiguous middle ground, where it either needs to fully legalize and regulate these substances or enforce stricter criminal penalties, as the current approach is leading to harmful consequences.
David Schellhase on addressing the societal issues in San Francisco
David and Christopher then continued to discuss the lack of a coherent strategy to address societal problems in San Francisco and the broader United States. They acknowledged the need for a balanced approach that avoids mass incarceration but also holds individuals accountable for their actions.
David emphasized the complexity of San Francisco's permissive culture and the challenges it faces in dealing with issues like addiction and homelessness. Christopher highlighted the importance of a holistic approach, including both support programs and consequences for criminal behavior. He argued that the U.S. lacks effective measures to deter crime, with many serious offenses going unsolved and unpunished.
To hear more from David Schellhase and his thoughts about the current Justice system, rise of AI, and how to build a long-term successful career, download and listen to this episode.
Bio
David Schellhase is of Counsel to Sullivan & Cromwell.
He is resident in the Firm’s Palo Alto office and focuses on a range of technology-related and business issues.
David has more than 25 years of experience in the technology industry and most recently served as the General Counsel of Slack Technologies, Inc.
While at Slack, David oversaw the company’s 2019 direct stock listing IPO.
Prior to that,

Sep 13, 2023 • 1h 29min
330 The World’s Leading Alien Hunter: Harvard’s Top Astronomer Dr. Avi Loeb, Author of Interstellar
On this episode of Christopher Lochhead: Follow Your Different, Dr. Avi Loeb makes a return to discuss why traditional science and academic circles still consider researching aliens as taboo. If you are not familiar with Dr. Avi Loeb and his work, you can check out our previous conversations with him (FYD 202 & FYD 230).
Dr. Avi Loeb is the most credential scientist and astronomer ever to say that we have been visited by something outside of our galaxy that is alien in nature. He also has a new book out called Interstellar: The Search for Extraterrestrial Life and Our Future in the Stars.
And now, Professor Loeb with his team are the first ever to discover and retrieve interstellar objects that landed on Earth. And even further, Professor Loeb says that he thinks there's a case to be made that these remnants of these objects that came from outside of our solar system and landed in our ocean could be alien. So if you are interested in that and things from outside our earth, stay tuned to this episode.
You’re listening to Christopher Lochhead: Follow Your Different. We are the real dialogue podcast for people with a different mind. So get your mind in a different place, and hey ho, let’s go.
Dr. Avi Loeb and his Interstellar discovery
The conversation begins with Christopher expressing his admiration for Professor Loeb's work and delves into the controversial nature of his recent actions. Professor Avi Loeb then talks about his expedition to Papua New Guinea and its connection to a significant interstellar discovery.
Professor Loeb explains that his journey to Papua New Guinea was prompted by the detection of a fast-moving object that collided with Earth in 2014. This object exhibited unusual properties, including its high speed and material strength. It was determined to have come from outside the solar system, which sparked initial skepticism among his colleagues but was later confirmed by the US Space Command.
To investigate further, Professor Loeb led an expedition to the Pacific Ocean, where the object had crashed. The team used a specialized sled with magnets to collect millimeter-sized particles from the ocean floor, which had rained down during the object's explosion. After extensive searching, they found molten droplets and other materials that provided crucial insights into the object's composition and origin.
Dr. Avi Loeb and the Spaceballs
Professor Avi Loeb then talks about the remarkable discovery of spaceballs, which are unusual spherical objects with unique compositions.
Professor Loeb also adds that the expedition was a significant effort funded by private donors, emphasizing the extensive work put into the project. He then talks about receiving the spaceball materials at his doorstep via FedEx, and he wasn't concerned about a slight delay given the billions of years it took for the materials to arrive on Earth.
They then talk in detail about the analysis of these spaceballs, with Professor Loeb's intern, Sophie Bertram, helping to discover and analyze a significant number of them. They found three high-yield regions along the meteor's path, suggesting these regions might correspond to the flares observed during the meteor's entry. The composition of these spaceballs, dubbed "Bilbao," was unique, containing elements not found in known Earth, Moon, Mars, or asteroid materials. This composition further supports the idea that these materials originated from outside the solar system.
Dr. Avi Loeb on the skepticism of Traditional Science
Professor Loeb explains that initially, there was skepticism from some colleagues and reviewers when the data about these interstellar landings that occurred in 2014, leading to a delay in publishing the findings.
However, three years later, the US Space Command formally confirmed the object's interstellar nature with a high level of confidence. This confirmation prompted Professor Loeb to plan an expedition to Papua New Guinea, gather a team, design specialized equipment,

Sep 4, 2023 • 1h 8min
329 The Power of Words with Dr. Valerie Fridland, #1 Bestselling Author of “Like, Literally, Dude”
Dr. Valerie Fridland, a professor of linguistics, discusses the power of words and how language evolves over time. They explore the emergence of new phrases, the evolution of the word 'dude,' the changing meaning of the word 'partner,' neologism in category design, the power of framing and naming, and the importance of respecting others' preferences and identities.

Aug 28, 2023 • 1h 30min
328 Crime, Justice, & America with Morgan Wright & Steve Murphy, Hosts of The Game of Crimes Podcast
On this episode of Christopher Lochhead: Follow Your Different, we have a riveting dialogue with two of America's favorite crime fighters. The hosts of the Game of Crimes Podcast are here: Morgan Wright and Steve Murphy.
Steve Murphy was one of the real DEA Narcos who took down Pablo Escobar. The Netflix series Narcos is based on his work.
Morgan Wright spent 18 years in state and local law enforcement is a highly decorated police officers state trooper and detective. He was even trained by the original members of the FBI as Behavioral Science Unit on serial crime profiling, which led him to training spies and spooks at places like the NSA.
If you're a crime buff care about justice and or care about the future of the United States, you're going to love this episode.
You’re listening to Christopher Lochhead: Follow Your Different. We are the real dialogue podcast for people with a different mind. So get your mind in a different place, and hey ho, let’s go.
How Gangs are extending their Influence in certain parts of America
The conversation starts off with Steve Murphy sharing shocking revelations about Mexican gangs and their influence on California laws. He mentions their podcast called "Game of Crimes", which has been running for over two years, and their recent episode about an interview with a former member of the Mexican Mafia, referred to as "Mundo." They emphasize not sharing his real name due to safety concerns, as there is a history of violence associated with such revelations.
Steve explains further how criminal groups like the Mexican Mafia manipulate the California penal system and legislators. They work to secure more lenient laws, better prison conditions including improved food, reduced responsibilities, and access to phones for conducting criminal activities from behind bars. The speaker expresses how these criminals mock the California legislators, exploiting their reluctance to confront them, resulting in laws that favor the criminals. This situation is portrayed as detrimental to honest taxpayers in California, who end up losing out.
On Gangs using children in their operations
The conversation continues as they discuss the disturbing trend of gangs involving children in their criminal operations, particularly in relation to Mexican fentanyl gangs and trafficking. Christopher expresses his shock about the leniency of consequences for minors involved in serious crimes due to certain laws in California. He describes a conversation with a police chief who shared a case of a 14 or 15-year-old who stabbed a rival gang member and received only a three-month ankle bracelet as punishment.
They then delve into the concept of gangs using children, mentioning how historically even New York City drug dealers employed young kids as lookouts. Steve Murphy shares insights into the psychology of recruitment, explaining how gangs exploit children's need for attention and affection, particularly in impoverished neighborhoods where parental support may be lacking, and the allure of earning “easy money” even as a child. This dynamic leads to these kids being drawn into gang activities.
Morgan Wright adds that Mexican fentanyl gangs are trafficking even children, who are forced into various criminal roles such as drug distribution, human trafficking, and even employment. He highlights the shift in focus for cartels from drug trafficking to human trafficking due to the increased profits and lower risks involved. The term "Minutemen" is mentioned, referencing how quickly kids are released from custody due to relaxed laws, allowing gangs to maintain control over them easily.
Keeping children out of jail
Morgan Wright then stresses how important it is to keep children out of the streets and jails, so they do not fall further into the machinations of these gangs.
“The intervention has to start early and often because if you don't, they’ll arrive at a path to where as he could either stay on the good side,

Aug 14, 2023 • 1h 39min
327 Queer In The C-Suite with Jim Fielding, Bestselling Author of All Pride No Ego: A Queer Executive’s Journey to Living and Leading Authentically
Many of us are different; and for many of us being different is a superpower. But what do you do if your different is not always accepted in the business world? How can you use your different as an advantage? We get into that and much more with our guest, Jim Fielding.
Jim Fielding has had an extraordinary executive career, working at the highest levels of some of the most well-known and respected corporations in the world companies like The Gap, Disney, DreamWorks, and 20th Century Fox. And Jim's got a stunning new book out. It's called All Pride, No Ego: A queer executive’s journey to living and leading authentically.
Today, we get into all of it: from how to have a legendary career as an openly gay man and how to be different. We also dig into many of the thorny social dynamics that are being discussed and dealt with right now around the LGBTQ+ community in modern America.
You’re listening to Christopher Lochhead: Follow Your Different. We are the real dialogue podcast for people with a different mind. So get your mind in a different place, and hey ho, let’s go.
Jim Fielding on being Different and having the Freedom to follow it
The conversation starts off with Jim’s younger years, as he reveals that he felt different around the age of six or seven and had a sense of destiny beyond his hometown.
He grew up in Toledo, Ohio, near Lake Erie, and had a middle-class upbringing with a firefighter father and stay-at-home mom. But he has always felt that his parents gave him a sense of freedom early on.
Jim's book, which was initially meant for 2024, has taken on more urgency amid the evolving LGBTQ+ rights movement. He shares how it has evolved into a platform for conversations, community building, and addressing inequities. They then talk about the impact of the book and how Jim is using his platform to advocate for marginalized communities and human rights.
Jim Fielding on the state of queer communities then and now
They then talk about the state of queer communities over the years. Jim Fielding discusses the evolution of attitudes towards LGBTQ+ individuals and their experiences.
Jim reflects on the changing landscape and the challenges faced by the queer community. He notes that the current situation feels like a mix of progress and regression, with moments of hope interspersed with concerning headlines about anti-LGBTQ legislation and discrimination. Jim emphasizes the need to own the narrative and stand up against efforts to push the community back into the closet. He draws parallels to historical moments, such as the fight for rights in the 1960s and the AIDS crisis in the 1980s.
Despite all these, Jim's optimism remains strong, bolstered by the resilience of the queer community and the activism of younger generations.
On standing up and being an Ally
The conversation then shifts to Christopher's perspective as an ally and his observations about changing attitudes. He contrasts the comparatively accepting atmosphere of the 1970s and 1980s, exemplified by cultural icons like David Bowie and Annie Lennox, with the challenges faced during the AIDS epidemic and subsequent backlash. He expresses confusion about the shifts in attitudes and experiences, wondering if his memories of acceptance were naive or if there has been a recent shift.
Jim offers insights into the impact of the AIDS epidemic on perceptions of the LGBTQ+ community and the subsequent challenges it faced. He discusses how this period led to a more pronounced demonization of LGBTQ+ individuals, especially by conservative groups. They also touch on the struggle for marriage equality and the ongoing fight for LGBTQ+ rights.
Bio
Jim Fielding, a proud Ohio native and Indiana University Hoosier, started his career on the department store floor.
Over the next 30 years, he would lead some of the world’s most beloved media and retail brands, including The Gap, Disney, Claire’s, Dreamworks, and 20th Century Fox.
Jim is known for his ability to combine storytel...

Jul 31, 2023 • 1h 14min
326 The Well-Lived Life with 102-year-old Dr. Gladys McGarey, “Mother of Holistic Medicine” & Bestselling Author
We all want to live life well and long but oftentimes, life gets in the way of having a legendary life. But what if there are secrets to a well lived life? Today, we have a life affirming real dialogue with the legendary Dr. Gladys McGarey.
Dr. Gladys McGarey is a general practitioner, co-founder of the American Holistic Medical Association, and she's a category designer who is considered the mother of holistic medicine.
Dr. Gladys is 102 years old; she began her medical practice at a time when women couldn't even have their own bank accounts. She's got a new number one best seller out and it's already in its second printing, called The Well Lived Life, a 102-year-old doctors six secrets to health and happiness at every age. This conversation takes some fascinating and unexpected turns, and we hope you join us for it.
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Dr. Gladys McGarey on the Importance on focusing on Life and Love
We start the conversation with Dr. Gladys, who is more than 100 years old, and they discuss how amazing it is to communicate through modern technology.
Dr. Gladys expresses her conflicted views on technology's impact, suggesting that the lack of real-life experiences and love in young people's lives might contribute to violence.
She then shares a story about using dogs in the classroom to provide children with a sense of real love, which could prevent harmful behaviors. She also talks about the power of animals to bring joy and love, and how Dr. Gladys' upbringing in India reinforced the importance of love in healing and how it is a powerful medicine, as described in Dr. Gladys' book.
Dr. Gladys McGarey on how to make do with what you have
Dr. Gladys discusses the benefits of modern technology, as well as acknowledge some concerns that herself has. She reflects on her medical career, recognizing the limitations of past practices and the importance of evolving with new knowledge.
She shares a dream that led to the realization of the interconnectedness of masculine and feminine energies. They explore the concept of feminine gestation and manifestation, emphasizing the need to understand and appreciate this process in addition to traditional manifestations. Dr. Gladys suggests that acknowledging and accepting this holistic approach could lead to better outcomes, instead of rejecting them outright.
Find her Voice in her 90s
In her 90s, Dr. Gladys had a breakthrough in finding her voice and embracing her true humanity.
She had always sought validation from others and struggled to trust her own voice. Through a dream, she had a profound realization that her voice mattered and was essential to express her soul essence. This led her to write a book with a deeper focus on the inner aspect of the Divine, emphasizing life and love.
She believes that as humans, we are reaching for our true humanity, understanding the importance of caring for each other and the Earth rather than seeking dominance. Dr. Gladys sees simplicity in embracing life and love as essential elements of our existence.
To hear more from Dr. Gladys McGarey and her views on how to live a fulfilled life, download and listen to this episode.
Bio
Dr. Gladys McGarey is 102 years old in 2023, at the time of the publication of her book “The Well-Lived Life: A 102-Year-Old Doctor's Six Secrets to Health and Happiness at Every Age”
Dr. Gladys is also still a consulting doctor.
Recognized as a pioneer of the allopathic and holistic medical movements, she is also a founding diplomat of the American Board of Holistic Medicine.
She is the cofounder and past president of the American Holistic Medical Association, as well as the cofounder of the Academy of Parapsychology and Medicine and the founder of The International Academy of Clinical Hypnosis.
Dr. Gladys lives and works in Scottsdale, Arizona,

Jul 24, 2023 • 1h 21min
325 Finding Meaningful Work in a Post-Career World with Bruce Feiler, 7-time NYT Bestselling Author
The people who are happiest don't chase someone else's dreams; they chase their own. This is according to our guest, one of our favorite authors, thinkers, and people, Bruce Feiler. So we have a whole dialog on just that.
Bruce Feiler is the author of the landmark book, Life is in the Transitions. And now he's back to address one of the seminal questions of our time: “How do we find or create meaningful work,” a subject he's lived over and over again. His new book is out and it's called The Search, finding meaningful work in a post career world.
Bruce is one of America's most thoughtful voices on contemporary life. He's a seven-time New York Times bestselling author, he's lived many lives from circus clown to preeminent spirituality, author to winning three James Beard Awards and being the subject of a Jeopardy question. Bruce is an American treasure, who you're going to love hanging out with.
You’re listening to Christopher Lochhead: Follow Your Different. We are the real dialogue podcast for people with a different mind. So get your mind in a different place, and hey ho, let’s go.
Bruce Feiler and his book’s effect
One of Bruce’s books is titled "Life is in the Transitions," which explores the idea that nearly half of our lives are spent in various transitions. The book delves into personal experiences, including Bruce's own life upheavals, such as battling cancer, facing financial troubles, and dealing with family crises. He explains how society tends to undervalue and stigmatize these transitional periods while glorifying stability.
Bruce's mission is to normalize and understand the growth potential in these unsettled phases, encouraging people to embrace them as opportunities for renewal and transformation. The book has resonated with readers who recognize and appreciate the validation it provides for the complex emotions and experiences they encounter during life's transitions.
Bruce Feiler on the notable lack of life transition books at 40
When asked why he thinks there’s not a lot of books like his on the shelves, Bruce shares that it was mainly because society has traditionally undervalued and stigmatized these periods. The focus has been on achieving stability and success, neglecting the importance of understanding and embracing life's transitions.
However, Bruce says that recent societal changes, including the decline of organized religion and shifts in the workforce, have led to a growing interest in searching for meaning in life and work. People are no longer content with viewing work as a mere source of income but are seeking work with purpose and significance.
This shift in perspective has sparked a renewed interest in exploring life transitions and finding meaning in these transformative phases, especially for professionals who are still pursuing their careers in their 40s and beyond.
The power of work vs fame
The conversation then shifts to the power of work over fame, and the importance of focusing on the craft rather than seeking balance. Bruce praises the Christopher’s diverse and successful career and emphasizes that legendary individuals are not known for balance.
For Christopher, he finds Bruce’s commitment to the work quite amazing, and despite achieving fame and success, he remains grounded and humble. Bruce attributes his continued passion and joy to finding a path that aligns with his talents. They agree that the best work comes from dedicated effort and stepping away from distractions to focus on the creative process.
To hear more from Bruce Feiler and how to make the most out of yourself during your transitions, download and listen to this episode.
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Jul 10, 2023 • 1h 10min
324 Peak Performance Aging with Steven Kotler, NYTimes bestselling author of Gnar Country
The story we've been told our entire lives is that as we get older, we decline physically. But what if we could become more legendary as we age? We discuss this and so much more with our legendary guest, Steven Kotler.
Science-based Human Performance Guru Steven Kotler is back in his fantastic new book Gnar Country: Growing old, Staying Rad. Steven lays out how cutting-edge discoveries in embodied cognition flow science, and network neuroscience have revolutionized how we think about peak performance aging.
In this radically different conversation, you'll learn how to embrace peak performance aging in your life. This is a fun, fascinating and deeply insightful conversation with one of our favorite thinkers.
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Steven Kotler writes a book about me
The conversation starts off about the new book that Steven has written, called Gnar Country. Christopher expresses his gratitude to Steven for writing the book and acknowledges his admiration and respect for him. However, Christopher also tells Steven that it has challenged his comfortable outlook on life.
The book centers around the idea of not being "dead before you're dead," encouraging readers to embrace mission-style challenges in the second half of their lives. Steven clarifies that he doesn't mean Christopher has to go surf Mavericks, a famous surfing spot known for its enormous waves. But rather that engaging in difficult and fulfilling activities can be transformative. For Steven, the second half of life is presented as an opportunity for growth and exploration.
Getting back to Gnar Country
Christopher, who had been easing into a more relaxed lifestyle, confesses that he was getting used to being "dead" in a figurative sense – finding comfort in smoking at home, enjoying the garden, and taking leisurely walks. However, after reading Steven's book, he feels inspired and reminded of the adventures he used to embark on with his friend Al Ramadan. Christopher mentions how he and Al would take annual trips for adrenaline-fueled activities like surfing, skiing, and scuba diving.
Coincidentally, as Christopher reads the book, he receives an email from Al Ramadan, proposing a future surf and dive trip for their group of friends. This timing strengthens Christopher's belief that the universe, through Steven and Al, is nudging him to return to thrilling and challenging adventures in “Gnar country”.
Steven Kotler on Park Skiing in your 50s
The conversation then focuses on Steven Kotler's experience of teaching himself park skiing at the age of 50. This is despite conventional beliefs that learning such skills becomes impossible after a certain age. Steven explains that there has been scientific research done in the past 20-25 years that challenges the traditional view of aging, which assumes a gradual decline in physical and mental abilities. He emphasizes the "use it or lose it" principle, stating that with continued training and practice, individuals can maintain their skills far longer than previously thought.
As a skier himself, Christopher initially finds it incredulous that Steven attempted to learn park skiing in his 50s. He recounts a personal experience of attempting a park maneuver in his early 40s and how risky it was as he continued. Christopher expresses his surprise at Steven's determination and adventurous spirit, acknowledging the challenges and potential dangers associated with park skiing.
This further showcase Steven's pursuit of pushing boundaries and defying age-related limitations by taking on the challenge of park skiing in his 50s, which is pretty rad, in our opinion.
To hear more from Steven Kotler and how to live in Gnar Country, download and listen to this episode.
Bio
Steven Kotler is a New York Times bestselling author, an award-winning journalist,

Jun 26, 2023 • 1h 21min
323 Being Different, Raising Different Kids with Kayla Taylor, Bestselling Author of Canaries Among Us
The most powerful thing you can be is 100% yourself, and specifically be the things that make you different, yet uniquely you. But we live in a world that values sameness that drives conformity, that lack of openness to different can cause significant problems for adults, and even more so for kids. We discuss all these and more with our guest, Kayla Taylor.
Kayla Taylor is the author of Canaries Among Us, a Mother's quest to honor her child's individuality in a culture determined to negate it. If you're different, you love someone who's different, or have a child in your life who's different. You're going to love this conversation with Kayla.
Pay special attention to the part of this dialogue about how we're all grappling with being caring and sensitive to the needs of others and on the other hand, not being so overly careful that we can't say anything to anybody about anything for fear of being criticized or canceled.
You’re listening to Christopher Lochhead: Follow Your Different. We are the real dialogue podcast for people with a different mind. So get your mind in a different place, and hey ho, let’s go.
Kayla Taylor on receiving appreciation for her work
Kayla expresses gratitude for when people give their time and validation of her work. She describes her book as a vulnerable endeavor and admits to considering not publishing it multiple times. She recalls expecting critical reviews, which almost led her to give up. However, a positive review convinced her to continue.
Kayla feels a sense of obligation to address the stigmatized issues covered in her book and support others who may be going through similar experiences. She acknowledges that while others have written about similar topics, they often reflect on childhood experiences or feel restricted by privacy concerns. She believes there is a lack of literature capturing the current challenges of raising children with learning differences who face bullying, and she wants to fill that gap and offer support to others in similar situations.
Kayla Taylor on writing under a pseudonym
When asked as to why she wrote under a pseudonym, Kayla explains that she couldn't find a memoir from a parent in the midst of dealing with issues such as bullying, learning differences, and anxiety. She desired a book that captured the present moment and felt poignant.
However, she also wanted to respect her children's privacy and avoid publicly shaming individuals, including the children who behaved poorly. She believed that all children should have the opportunity to learn from their mistakes and grow without enduring public shaming. To protect people's privacy, avoid shame, and honor her own principles, she chose to write under a pseudonym.
Additionally, through her research on different forms of victimization, Kayla discovered that society often fails to support and center those who have been victimized. She didn't want to contradict her belief in prioritizing victims' privacy and autonomy by publishing a book that would potentially expose everyone involved. Thus, she decided to use a pseudonym to maintain consistency.
Understanding Learning Differences
Kayla discusses her journey into understanding learning differences when her child faced bullying for being unique and different. Through research, she discovered that one in five people have diagnosable learning differences, including dyslexia and ADHD. However, this statistic doesn't account for other factors such as sensory processing, mental health issues, and physical impairments that affect learning. She criticizes the education system for being designed during the Second Industrial Revolution, focusing on standardization and neglecting individual strengths.
Christopher shares his own experience of having multiple discernible learning differences and emphasizes that being radically different left him with no choice but to embrace his uniqueness. Despite not having a GED, he became the head of marketing at a publicly traded sof...