

The Other 22 Hours
Michaela Anne, Aaron Shafer-Haiss
"Artistry flourishes in shared conversation."
Everyone struggles with self-doubt and motivation in their careers. The Other 22 Hours Podcast features conversations with renowned musicians and artists, sharing tools for resilience, helping you feel more inspired, connected, and confident in your creative journey.
Hosted by music producer Aaron Shafer-Haiss, and singer-songwriter Michaela Anne, these are artist-lead conversations - not your typical outsider journalist interviews.
Everyone struggles with self-doubt and motivation in their careers. The Other 22 Hours Podcast features conversations with renowned musicians and artists, sharing tools for resilience, helping you feel more inspired, connected, and confident in your creative journey.
Hosted by music producer Aaron Shafer-Haiss, and singer-songwriter Michaela Anne, these are artist-lead conversations - not your typical outsider journalist interviews.
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Oct 11, 2023 • 55min
Dylan LeBlanc on magnetic intentions, second chances, and red hot frying pans.
Dylan LeBlanc has released records on Rough Trade Records, ATO, and Single Lock records, and has toured with Lucinda Williams, Bruce Springsteen, First Aid Kit and more. We talk about how having a big first record at a young age effected his headspace, career, and life, navigating many tough ups and downs since then, sobriety and intentions, and Michaela and Dylan discuss the (drastically different) reactions of each of their teams when they told them they were expecting their first children.Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer your questions, special workshops, and more by becoming a member of our Patreon, at this link.Links:Dylan LeBlancDarling WestRough Trade RecordsBen TannerSingle Lock RecordsTrina ShoemakerJohn Paul WhiteGeorge EzraDavid LizmiMichaela Anne - Desert DoveClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.
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Oct 4, 2023 • 56min
The Watson Twins on touring sustainably, collaboration vs individualization, and van pillows.
The Watson Twins have released multiple records, including their latest 'Holler' produced by Butch Walker, as well as being featured on Jenny Lewis' Rabbit Fur Coat and recording/touring with the likes of Kings of Leon, Foster the People, The Shins, Harry Connick Jr, Willie Nelson, and Jenny Lewis. We go deep on sustainable and enduring touring practices and logistics that they've both observed as sidewomen, and developed themselves as bandleaders, as well collaboration vs individualization and using your talents and skillsets developed in the music industry to launch other businesses (they own and run three event spaces in Nashville).Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer your questions, special workshops, and more by becoming a member of our Patreon, at this link.Links:The Watson TwinsButch WalkerJenny LewisHusk3rd & LindsleyTourFood.USCoachellaThe ShinsFoster The PeopleRelix Mag 'The Spirit of Collaboration'Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.
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Sep 27, 2023 • 49min
Paris Carney on finding your unique outlet, creating for others, and family bands.
Paris Carney is a songwriter who has had cuts with the likes of Nick Jonas, King, Adam Lambert, Maggie Lindemann, and Joseph, as well as a background singer with The Jonas Brothers, Hailee Stanfield, Lykke Li. We talk about her start on Interscope Records with her brothers' band Carney, the ups and downs of years trying to find her unique path, creative diversification, and having a variety of mental health practices in your toolkit.Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer your questions, special workshops, and more by becoming a member of our Patreon, at this link.Links:Paris CarneyBowery BallroomReeve CarneyJonas BrothersEMDR therapyBea MillerLouise HayClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.
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Sep 20, 2023 • 51min
William Prince on joyful presence, intergenerational trauma, and humor.
William Prince is from the Peguis First Nation - in what is now Manitoba Canada - and a Juno and Canadian Folk Award winning singer-songwriter, who has toured with Neil Young, and Yola, and worked with producer Dave Cobb. We talk about the experience and realities of his people, the generational trauma that is present, how that effects and informs his art and his creativity, and how he sees his role in his community as a public figure, and father.Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer your questions, special workshops, and more by becoming a member of our Patreon, at this link.Links:William PrincePeguis First NationBuffy Sainte-MarieTa-Nehisi Coates - Between The World and MeCharlie PrideJohnny CashDave CobbClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.
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Sep 13, 2023 • 50min
Ezinma on viral moments, continually educating, and scuba diving.
Ezinma is a violinist, artist, film composer, and educator who became a viral sensation from her performance videos, has released records on Universal Records, performed with Beyonce, Stevie Wonder, Kendrick Lamar, Khalid, Joshua Bell and Yo Yo Ma to name a few, composed the score for numerous films, and founded a non-profit that brings classical music education to underserved communities. We talk about how having viral moments changed and challenged her creativity, how she grew from that as a person and an artist, her lifelong pursuit of educating herself (she has multiple masters degrees) as well as being an educator herself, the power of music education, and it goes on.Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer your questions, special workshops, and more by becoming a member of our Patreon, at this link.Links:EzinmaStrings By HeartInterlochen Arts Academy/CampThe New School for Performing ArtsEp 15 - Osei EssedDan RomerClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.
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Sep 6, 2023 • 1h 5min
Duquette Johnston on incarcerated creativity, human design, and scents.
Duquette Johnston was a member of 90s rock band Verbana, touring with the Foo Fighters and releasing records on Merge and Setanta Records, has released a handful of solo records on labels such as Single Lock Records, owns the clothing and goods shop Club Duquette in Birmingham AL, and also spent time in Etowah County jail. We talk about how that incarceration changed his creative process, his entire outlook on his career, and also launched his solo career, as well as his interest in human design, and quest for human connection through music.Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer your questions, special workshops, and more by becoming a member of our Patreon, at this link.Links:Duquette JohnstonETOWAH - a film about Duquette JohnstonClub DuquetteVerbenaDaniel Carl FoxJail Guitar DoorsMerge RecordsSetanta RecordsReed Watson/Single Lock RecordsNonesuch RecordsEp 19 - Mary BraggThe Jesus LizardPost MaloneThe BasementClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.
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Aug 30, 2023 • 53min
Jamie Kent on community impact, legislation, plus a live Q&A.
This is a special live episode taped on stage at Mile of Music Festival in Appleton, WI featuring Jamie Kent - a Billboard charting singer songwriter, entrepreneur, arts advocate, and co-founder of Musicians for a Smoke Free Tennessee, where he worked as a lobbyist to usher through legislation that allows municipalities in TN to ban smoking in public places (such as bars and music venues). We talk about legislative action to aid musicians, coalition building as it relates to making an impact as well as a music career, and then we also take time for all three of us to answer questions from the audience in a really special first-time Q&A session.Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer your questions, special workshops, and more by becoming a member of our Patreon, at this link.Links:Jamie KentMile of Music FestivalBAM GroupNew Nashville LivePeople Supporting ArtistsMusicians for a Smoke Free TNKaia Kater - episode 25BJ Barham - episode 7Miss RachelMaine International Film FestivalClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.
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Aug 23, 2023 • 60min
The Wood Brothers on the illusion of control, enjoyment, and remembering to remember.
The Wood Brothers are a Grammy-nominated band that have released 12 records on labels such as Blue Note, Southern Ground, Easy Eye Sound, and their own imprint. We have a wide ranging conversation on mental well-being and sustaining a decades-long career, all circling around mindfulness, presence, the illusion of control, and what Chris aptly points out - remembering to remember.Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer your questions, special workshops, and more by becoming a member of our Patreon, at this link.Links:The Wood BrothersMedeski Martin & WoodBob MarleyTara BrachEp 4 - Emily Scott RobinsonClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.
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Aug 16, 2023 • 49min
Mary Gauthier on patience in art, persistence in business, and losing with John Prine.
Mary Gauthier is a Grammy-nominated songwriter and author, who's songs have been recorded by everyone from Tim McGraw and Blake Shelton, to Boy George and Jimmy Buffett. We talk about sobriety, how owning and running restaurants has influenced her music career, writing with veterans, battling homophobia, and so much more, all with a wise dose of patience, and persistence.Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer your questions, special workshops, and more by becoming a member of our Patreon, at this link.Links:Mary GauthierSaved By A Song (book)Songwriting with SoldiersMatraca BergGretchen PetersBeth Nielsen ChapmanLiz RosePatty GriffinNeko CaseClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.
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Aug 9, 2023 • 48min
Katie Pruitt on patience, emotional language, and archery.
Katie Pruitt is a singer-songwriter on Rounder Records, NPR & NY Times acclaimed, americana award-nominated, and also the host of The Recovering Catholic podcast. We talk about how she navigated, learned, and grew from releasing her much anticipated debut record 1 month before the pandemic started, navigating the pressure to always have output, and the tools she uses to be able to explore heavy personal and emotional topics in her songs.Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer your questions, special workshops, and more by becoming a member of our Patreon, at this link.Links:Katie PruittThe Recovering Catholic PodcastCoeur d'AleneChris StapletonShakey GravesBrandi CarlileThe ChicksClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.
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