

The Coach's Journey - build a coaching business with integrity
Robbie Swale
Coach’s Journey founder Robbie Swale and a team of hosts interview coaches about how they created a successful business and how they create impact for their clients.
Through these conversations, you can learn how each coach came to coaching, grew their coaching practice and found their way to the successful business they have today. Each interview, like each journey, is different. But each is also packed with insights, tips, suggestions and ideas to grow your coaching business and have even greater impact creating change in the lives of your clients. Past guests include life coaches, business coaches, executivecoaches, career coaches, leadership coaches and more. Some are household names; some are coaches you’ve never heard of. All of them share ideas on the key topics for creating a coaching business: money, fees, impact with clients, training and more. About Robbie: Robbie Swale is a leadership coach, podcaster and the author of four books. He has trained with masters in the field of coaching and building coaching businesses, including Rich Litvin, Robert Holden and guests on the podcast like Katie Harvey and Myles Downey. He is the creator of The Coaching Business Flywheel, which attempts to boil down everything he has learned from many years supporting coaches to grow their businesses and interviewing amazing coaches on this podcast, into one simple, actionable model. Subscribe and read more about the podcast, The Coach’s Journey Community and get the free ebook An Introduction to The Coaching Business Flywheel at www.thecoachsjourney.com
Through these conversations, you can learn how each coach came to coaching, grew their coaching practice and found their way to the successful business they have today. Each interview, like each journey, is different. But each is also packed with insights, tips, suggestions and ideas to grow your coaching business and have even greater impact creating change in the lives of your clients. Past guests include life coaches, business coaches, executivecoaches, career coaches, leadership coaches and more. Some are household names; some are coaches you’ve never heard of. All of them share ideas on the key topics for creating a coaching business: money, fees, impact with clients, training and more. About Robbie: Robbie Swale is a leadership coach, podcaster and the author of four books. He has trained with masters in the field of coaching and building coaching businesses, including Rich Litvin, Robert Holden and guests on the podcast like Katie Harvey and Myles Downey. He is the creator of The Coaching Business Flywheel, which attempts to boil down everything he has learned from many years supporting coaches to grow their businesses and interviewing amazing coaches on this podcast, into one simple, actionable model. Subscribe and read more about the podcast, The Coach’s Journey Community and get the free ebook An Introduction to The Coaching Business Flywheel at www.thecoachsjourney.com
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Feb 22, 2024 • 2h 8min
Episode #61: Samiur Rahman – AI, Heyday and the Quest to Capture Meaningful Moments
This episode is sponsored by Heyday: https://heyday.xyz/New developments in artificial intelligence make the news headlines so often that many people – including coaches and their clients – are wondering just how AI advances will affect their jobs, their careers and their lives.In this sponsored episode of The Coach’s Journey Podcast, AI expert Samiur Rahman offers a rare insight into the way machine learning is shaping the future of coaching by fuelling the creation of tools that can save coaches time and improve their productivity.Samiur is the co-founder of Heyday, an AI thought partner that helps coaches and other knowledge workers by generating automatic session notes, detecting patterns in client conversations, and aggregating information about clients.In conversation with Robbie, Samiur opens up about the impact coaching has had on his journey through a career in which he has founded two start-ups and worked in others, and how he sought out the coaches who could bring out the very best in him.He also describes the development process that led to Heyday’s creation, which involved careful consultation with coaches and produced revelations about the way practitioners work and their most pressing needs.In this episode, Samiur and Robbie also talk about:The power of coaching for new managers and founders alikeHow the coaching we need changes at different stages of our careersThe ways AI and machine learning are likely to disrupt the world of work and the coaching industry (and the ways they aren’t)What strange and admirable qualities coacheshave, from the perspective of someone who has studied them as customers.Samiur also describes how Heyday, which offers a free two-week trial to all new sign-ups, has changed the lives and work of coaches who use it, and the impact upon their clients.For links to many of the things mentioned in this episode, please visit: https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-61-samiur-rahman-ai-heyday-and-the-quest-to-capture-meaningful-moments

Feb 15, 2024 • 1h 51min
Episode #60: Katie Harvey – Beyond the Binary Lies Balance
Despite being told that one day coaching would lead her to burn out, Katie Harvey has discovered that the opposite is true: coaching gives her energy.Now into her third decade as a coach, Katie has carefully honed a practice that enriches her life and allows her to express her core values through her work, and in this episode of The Coach’s Journey Podcast, she explains how she did it.Katie reflects on how coaching has helped her to move beyond a binary view of the world in order to sit more comfortably with seemingly conflicting truths, such life being both painful and beautiful, or people being both loveable and difficult.This is Katie’s third time as a guest on the podcast, and host Joey Owen helps her unpack the story of the years since her first appearance, over four years ago, and her second, which came at the height of the coronavirus pandemic.Alongside her work with individual clients and with leaders, and the coaching she delivers at Coach U and London Business School, we were excited to hear Katie is finally writing the book she speaks about in her first appearance on the podcast, which she hopes will bring her into more connection with coaches and help them achieve a sense of integration.In this episode, Katie and Joey also talk about:Optimising energy for coaching by paying attention to the four pillars of self-careSupervision, listening partners, and the tools and aids that help coaches develop space, time and improvements in their practiceThe ways in which coaching is shaping the future in educational spacesThe love that runs through our work, and the boundaries that allow us to work with loveHow to identify our core values, through the activities that express our essenceKatie also generously shares the changes she has made to her pricing structure and the rationale that has helped her reach a place of comfort and fulfilment.For links to many of the things mentioned in this episode, please visit: https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-60-katie-harvey-beyond-the-binary-lies-balance

Feb 1, 2024 • 2h 1min
Episode #59: Joey Owen – You Never Know When the Value of a Coaching Session Ends
Joey Owen is a coach whose unique gifts allow her to connect with the humanity of her clients.Joey ’s formative training in drama and in theatre for development instilled her with the ability to unlock people’s innate creativity and confidence. With that skill she has enriched the lives around the world, helping individuals, organisations and communities to thrive.Joey is part of the new team of hosts at The Coach’s Journey Podcast, but in this episode she answers Robbie’s questions about her remarkable life and career, describing the adventure-driven steps that led her from training in theatre for development to founding Freedom To Learn, a charity that improves access to education for children in India and Nepal.She describes how the foundational listening skills and work around confidence that helped her to transform communities in rural Asia now underpin her work as a coach, and how spiritual practices she developed in India allow her to connect deeply with people from all walks of life. In this episode, Joey and Robbie also talk about:How to access a deeper sense of connectedness and to work from the heartThe creative processes that we can use to build confidenceInsight Seminars, and the courses that can reveal our natural coaching abilitiesLead generation tools for new coaches to use when building their businessThe way our work ripples out from our clients, to the benefit of everyone around them (including us!)Joey also shares the daily rituals that keep her steady in her work and help her to develop a profound sense of empathy and connection with her clients.Things and people we mentioned (that you might be interested in):- Mike Toller on The Coach’s Journey Podcast https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-32-mike-toller - Robbie’s website www.robbieswale.com - Joey’s website www.joeyowencoaching.com- Freedom To Learn https://freedomtolearn.org.uk/ - Insight Seminars https://www.insightseminarsuk.com/ - Tom Flatau https://team-working.com- The Prosperous Coach by Rich Litvin and Steve Chandler https://richlitvin.com/book/ - Landmark Forum https://www.landmarkworldwide.com/the-landmark-forum- Ben Carter https://www.bencartercoaching.com/- Strategic Intervention Coaching Certifications: https://rmtcenter.com/certification-programs/- Tony Robbins on the Tim Ferriss Show: https://tim.blog/2014/10/15/money-master-the-game/- The Tony Robbins documentary Robbie mentioned: https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/80102204- Lamda exams: https://www.lamda.ac.uk/lamda-exams/our-exams- The Choir guy from TV who was mentioned! Gareth Malone: https://www.garethmalone.com/- Forest Arts Centre: https://www.forest-arts.co.uk/- Forum Theatre: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forum_theatre- Cardboard Citizens: https://cardboardcitizens.org.uk/- ERSF: https://ersf.org.uk- The December Episode where Joey talks about Indra's Net: https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-56-introducing-the-new-hosts-ushering-in-the-future-of-the-coachs-journey- Indra's Net: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indra%27s_net- Joey's Bark Profile - https://www.bark.com/en/gb/company/joey-owen-coaching/RvZ2l/ - Chris Joseph on the Coach's Journey Podcast: https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-19-chris-joseph- SGI: https://sgi-uk.org/- SGI's introduction to chanting page: https://sgi-uk.org/Intro- Tina Turner's book, Happiness Becomes You: https://www.waterstones.com/book/happiness-becomes-you/tina-turner//9780008398637- I Heart https://iheartprinciples.com/- Henrietta Nelson on The Coach's Journey Podcast: https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-46-henrietta-nelson-nobody-else-can-put-a-feeling-in-you- The chanting audio on Apple Podcasts that Joey mentions: https://music.apple.com/gb/album/nam-myoho-renge-kyo/1391365531?i=139136BIOGRAPHY FROM JOEYJoey is a fully qualified Theatre for Development Practitioner (MA), Applied Drama and Community Coach (BA Hons) and LAMDA drama teacher (LLAM). Certified as a Strategic Intervention (SI) Coach with the Coaching Institute, she has 20 years experience in the education and development sectors as a facilitator and coach in the UK, Europe and South Asia. Alongside her private coaching practice she is also Programmes Director at Freedom to Learn, an NGO working in South Asia Nepal, improving access to and quality of education for children from vulnerable backgrounds.

Jan 18, 2024 • 2h 1min
Episode #58: Julie Starr – The World Works from the Inside Out
Coaching found Julie Starr without her looking for it, and she started to practice coaching before she knew what it was.As a project manager of large-scale change initiatives in big organisations, Julie was someone who people naturally turned to with problems – often complex, personal matters that required care and attention to their inner world.Julie acquired skills to enhance her ability to perform this role; tools like neuro-linguistic programming helped her to navigate one-to-one work, and also prepared her for the future that awaited her.At a time when coaching qualifications had yet to be developed, Julie began writing a book that would help people understand the one-to-one work she was doing. That book is The Coaching Manual and it is now in its fifth edition, having garnered critical acclaim from the likes of Sir John Whitmore, widely regarded as the founder of the coaching industry.Julie, now an executive coach, mentor, writer and speaker, has since written two more best-selling books on coaching as well as two works of fiction, all of which are inspired by her belief in the interdependency of people, and by her passionate enquiry into the nature of reality. In this episode, we also talk about:Not allowing models and frameworks to become limiting factors in our work as coachesThe power of non-attachment and the importance of working joyfullyStaying true to ourselves, and resisting the temptation to climb a ladder that is against somebody else’s wallHow to charge what you would be delighted with but not amazed byHow to pursue the pathways that make sense to you in a turbulent, disorienting worldWe also discuss the biggest challenge we face as coaches: the inner and outer work we have to do to get ourselves out of the way in conversations. Things and people we mentioned (that you might be interested in): - Neuro-linguistic programming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming - Tony Robbins https://www.tonyrobbins.com/ - Richard Bandler and John Grinder https://www.pocketbook.co.uk/blog/2017/08/01/john-grinder-and-richard-bandler-nlp-neuro-linguistic-programming/- Milton Erickson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_H._Erickson- Effective Coaching by Myles Downey https://pocketwisdom.blog/2022/08/10/effective-coaching-by-myles-downey/ - Coaching for Performance by Sir John Whitmore https://www.performanceconsultants.com/coaching-for-performance-book - Co-active Coaching https://coactive.com/about/what-is-coactive - The GROW model https://www.performanceconsultants.com/grow-model - Tim Gallwey https://www.performanceconsultants.com/tim-gallwey - Writing coach Marcia Yudkin https://www.yudkin.com/index.htm - Eloise Cook https://reedsy.com/eloise-cook- Kim Morgan on The Coach’s Journey Podcast https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-25-kim-morgan - The Institute of Self-Actualisation https://isaexperience.wordpress.com/ - Landmark Forum https://www.landmarkworldwide.com/the-landmark-forum - The Journey https://home.thejourney.com/- Joe Dispenza https://drjoedispenza.com/- Julie’s first non-fiction book, From Magic to Memphis https://starrcoaching.co.uk/introducing-julies-debut-novel-magic-to-memphis/- Truth Keeper, book one, by Julie Starr https://www.linkedin.com/posts/juliestarrcoach_truth-keeper-book-one-julie-starr-activity-7076863795129655296-cjpg/

Jan 4, 2024 • 2h 1min
Episode #57: Neil Mackinnon – When You Step Into The Hallowed Ground Of Coaching, Show Up
Neil Mackinnon describes himself as a curious human, and his curiosity has guided him throughout a remarkable career in which he has been immersed in creative projects, surrounded by creative people, and focussed on creative potential.Crucially, he has also spent a great deal of his life listening and being truly present to what has occurred around him, and these qualities aided a sense of catharsis and newfound aliveness when he first experienced coaching.Neil is one of the new hosts of The Coach’s Journey Podcast, and in this episode he gets to the heart of why coaching has become such a prominent focus of a life in which he has worked as a professional musician, a creative producer for Europe’s largest centre for the arts, and now as a faculty member at the Academy of Executive Coaching.He explains how skilful coaches helped him access the power and potential of coaching to overcome profound challenges in his work, and how coaching appealed to his sense of adventure and his disposition as a man fascinated by all industries, all people, and all walks of life. In this episode, we also talk about:How to choose a coaching organisation to train withThe hidden messages that lie within our resistance to coachingBuilding autonomy through your locus of controlThe profound potency of core coaching competenciesCoaching as a relational business, in which your network really matters Neil, who has his own podcast called Creative Practice, also speaks to the deeper work of coaching, and the change that becomes possible when we find the courage to step into our shadow.For more information about Neil, visit https://neilmackinnon.net/For information about Robbie’s wider work, his writing or to buy his books, visit www.robbieswale.com.Music by My Good Man William: listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4KmeQUcTbeE31uFynHQLQgTo support the Coach's Journey, visit www.patreon.com/thecoachsjourney and to join the Coach's Journey Community visit www.thecoachsjourney.com/community. Things and people we mentioned (that you might be interested in):- The Academy of Executive Coaching https://www.aoec.com/ - The Coach’s Casebook by Kim Morgan and Geoff Watts https://barefootcoaching.co.uk/product/the-coachs-casebook-kim-morgan-geoff-watts-2015/ - Robbie appearing on Neil’s Creative Practice podcast https://creative-practice.net/2021/01/29/robbie-swale-coach/ - Kate Rees - https://www.katereescoaching.com/- A Job To Love by Alain de Botton https://www.theschooloflife.com/shop/a-job-to-love/ - Designing Your Life by Bill Burnett and Dave Evans https://designingyour.life/the-book/ - Richard Hawley - https://www.frycreative.uk/richard-hawley- Gaylene Gould on Neil’s podcast, Creative Practice https://creative-practice.net/2021/08/12/episode-13-gaylene-gould/- Link to the art behind Neil on the wall: Jet propulsion library, NASA https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/galleries/visions-of-the-future - Jude Kelly https://thewowfoundation.com/about-wow/about-jude-kelly - The WOW Foundation https://thewowfoundation.com/- RD 1st Coaching Training https://relationaldynamics1st.co.uk/- Theatre People, Greg Jauncey's cultural sector HR Consultancy https://www.theatrepeople.uk/who-are-we- Paul Williamson from The Ambassador Theatre Group https://www.associationforcoaching.com/members/?id=52110032- ABC Creative Music https://www.abcmusic.org.uk/- InterMusica https://www.intermusica.com/- Jerry Seinfeld on The Tim Ferris Show https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/485-jerry-seinfeld-a-comedy-legends-systems/id863897795?i=1000501727043 - The Prosperous Coach by Rich Litvin https://richlitvin.com/book/- Chilly's Water Bottles https://www.chillys.com/uk/categories/bottles- The quote Neil mentions at the end: in his book Reboot, Leadership and the Art of Growing Up, executive coach Jerry Colonna writes about this sort of radical self-inquiry: “I laugh loudly when folks suggest that this is some sort of yoga-inspired soft-bellied call to leadership. ‘Namaste my ass,’ I say with my Brooklyn-born chip firmly, squarely, and proudly on my shoulder. ‘Try entering the cave, walking to the dark recesses, and retrieving the treasure wa-a-a-y in the back. Then come tell me about being soft.’”BIOGRAPHY FROM NEILNeil is a London-based leadership and executive coach, accredited by the International Coaching Federation and the European Mentoring and Coaching Council. He works with ambitious individuals, leaders and entrepreneurs, across the cultural and creative industries, tech and beyond. He coaches people to fulfill their potential through helping them establish clarity of purpose, supporting personal growth and enabling valued professional contribution and sustained personal fulfilment.Following an early career as a professional musician Neil worked in various management and leaders roles in the cultural and creative sectors, including 12 years at London’s Southbank Centre, Europe’s largest centre for the arts. During his time there he discovered coaching through a transformational experience of working with a coach. This sparked a journey of discovery that led to his initial coach training and building coaching skills into his style of leadership.He now splits his time between his private coaching practice and a part time faculty position at the Academy of Executive Coaching, a leading global coaching organisation offering executive coach training, coaching solutions, executive coaching certification.

Dec 7, 2023 • 2h 5min
Episode #56: Introducing the New Hosts – Ushering In The Future of The Coach's Journey
What do we do when faced with big decisions about the future? How do we get in touch with our intuition and trust in the choices we make?The Coach’s Journey Podcast has been at a crossroads and in this episode Robbie announces some exciting new developments that will shape its future. He also introduces some very special guests, who are not just guests!These guests – Neil Mackinnon, Joey Owen, Ruth Saville, Alex Swallow and Alex Whitton – are in fact the new team of hosts who will be helping Robbie to evolve The Coach’s Journey Podcast. This evolution includes the podcast becoming fortnightly in 2024, and having five amazing coaches join Robbie in hosting episodes.We all hope these changes will take everything that’s good about The Coach’s Journey and build something even greater on those foundations, helping to deepen our work, reach more people, and serve the coaching community more powerfully and effectively than ever.Each new host has a passion for coaching that is evident in this episode. They know Robbie's work and the podcast inside out, and will bring their own unique approaches to the interviews and guests that feature on the podcast in 2024 and potentially beyond.This episode is a chance to meet the new team, but it’s about much more than that. In this episode, we also talk about:How to get in touch with your intuition to help you solve problemsThe power of podcasts to empower us and help us feel less aloneWhy the Coach’s Journey has mattered so much to each of the teamHow being on purpose can change our energy about a projectIndra's Net and how changing just one person changes the worldWe also take a journey through the history of the podcast, highlighting each member of the team’s favourite episodes, and reflecting on moments where authenticity, warmth, honesty and ordinary human qualities made the podcast accessible, powerful and meaningful.For more information about our new hosts, use the following links:Alex Swallow: http://alexswallow.com/Neil Mckinnon: https://neilmackinnon.net/Ruth Saville: https://www.daretorise.co.uk/Alex Whitton: https://www.exploregrowbe.com/Joey Owen: https://joeyowencoaching.com/For information about Robbie’s wider work, his writing or to buy his books, visit www.robbieswale.com.Music by My Good Man William: listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4KmeQUcTbeE31uFynHQLQgTo support the Coach's Journey, visit www.patreon.com/thecoachsjourney and to join the Coach's Journey Community visit www.thecoachsjourney.com/community. Things and people we mentioned (that you might be interested in):- Robbie on How I Became a Full-Time Coach Less Than Two Years After Starting My Training https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/writing/how-i-became-a-full-time-coach-less-than-two-years-after-starting-my-training - Robbie on the Association for Coaching Podcast Marketing series: https://www.associationforcoaching.com/page/Why_Purpose_and_Practice_Creates_Effective_Marketing_with_Robbie_Swale - Amayah Pelegrin - https://www.thefield.consulting/about - Ruth's podcast: Women of a Certain Age https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ruth-saville/episodes/Claire-Eden-on-the-importance-of-failure--sitting-in-discomfort-and-Obliger-Rebellion-e2a8cgb- Neil's podcast: Create Practice https://open.spotify.com/show/3ww01iVMpHRX2BQldamCPc- Alex Swallow's podcast: How to Influence https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/how-to-influence/episodes/What-does-good-look-like-for-you-and-why-e11aggd - Robert Holden’s Purpose Club https://www.robertholden.com/events/purpose-club/- Phil Goddard’s podcast, The Coaching Life https://www.philg.com/podcast/ - Jennifer Garvey Berger on The Coach’s Journey Podcast https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-42-jennifer-garvey-berger-the-answer-to-either-or-is-both - Myles Downey on The Coach’s Journey Podcast https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-31-myles-downey - Brené Brown’s podcast https://brenebrown.com/podcast-show/unlocking-us/- The Tim Ferris Show https://tim.blog/podcast/ - Insight Seminars https://insightseminars.org/ - Claire Antrobus https://www.claireantrobus.com/- Maintenance Phase podcast https://www.maintenancephase.com/ - Conspirituality podcast https://www.conspirituality.net/ - The Athletic Football Tactics Project https://open.spotify.com/show/1o2ZogNQQmPKCntcdKnXPT - The MOE Foundation https://moefoundation.com/- Catriona Horey on The Coach’s Journey Podcast https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-4-catriona-horey-too-far-away-from-the-joy- Jeffrey Wotherspoon on The Coach’s Journey Podcast https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-24-jeffrey-wotherspoon - Allegra Stein on The Coach’s Journey Podcast https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-22-allegra-stein-how-to-flourish-as-a-coaching-misfit FAVOURITE PODCAST EPISODESNeil's favourite episode: episode #5 with James Bianco https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-5-james-bianco-beware-your-simple-stories-about-coaching-successJoey's favourite episodes: episode #1 with Katie Harvey https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-1-katie-harvey-14000-hours-of-coaching-being-part-of-the-uk-coaching-vanguard-and-being-a-generalist-coach and episode #46 Henrietta Nelson https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-46-henrietta-nelson-nobody-else-can-put-a-feeling-in-you Ruth's favourite episode: episode #6 with Joel Monk https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-6-joel-monk-conversations-at-the-cutting-edge-of-coaching Alex Swallow's favourite episodes: episode #25 with Kim Morgan https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-25-kim-morgan, episode #19 with Chris Joseph https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-19-chris-joseph, episode #15 with Toku McCree, https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-15-toku-mccree-sales-with-honour-and-love-on-the-end-of-a-sword and episode #27 with Robert Stephenson https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-27-robert-stephenson-animas-how-to-say-yes-and-become-a-conduit-for-change Alex Whitton’s favourite episodes: episode #19 with Chris Joseph https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-19-chris-joseph and episode #20 with Giovanna Capozza https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-20-giovanna-capozza Robbie’s favourite episodes: episode #9 with Barry Ennis https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-9-barry-ennis-follow-the-fire and episode #47 with Lindsey Lewis https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-47-lyndsey-lewis-turning-torment-into-talent

Nov 2, 2023 • 1h 47min
Episode #55: Claire Pedrick and Lucia Baldelli – The Human Behind The Coach
Every coach has a human story, and these stories contain the wisdom, vulnerability and invaluable lessons that inform our work.In this episode of The Coach’s Journey Podcast, Claire Pedrick and Lucia Baldelli share some of the human stories that have shaped their lives and careers, leading them to become Master Certified Coaches and co-authors of a powerful new book.That book is The Human Behind The Coach, and it’s about the inner work we need to do to cultivate a simpler practice and to demonstrate art in the coaching room. It is a guide to the principles that inform a more human approach to coaching: one that is not bound by tools or hacks, but allows for a natural process and a letting go.The vibrant dynamic between Claire and Lucia gave rise to the book and it shines through in this episode as they share their infectious enthusiasm for transformative coaching work with individuals, teams and organisations. In this episode, we also talk about:How Agile methodologies help people adapt to changeThe importance of holding endingsThe times when it’s appropriate to break the rulesHow we navigate fundamental differences between our beliefs and values and those of our clientsThe power of being able to sit with not knowingClaire and Lucia also discuss their virtual book launch, which is taking place on Monday November 13th at 6pm (UK time) - click here for details.For more information about Claire, visit https://www.3dcoaching.com/claire-pedrick-mcc/.For more information about Lucia, visit http://www.luciabaldelli.com/.For more information on The Human Behind The Coach and the course Claire and Lucia mention, visit: https://www.thehumanbehindthecoach.com/ For information about my wider work, my writing or to buy my books, visit www.robbieswale.com.Music by My Good Man William: listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4KmeQUcTbeE31uFynHQLQgTo support the Coach's Journey, visit www.patreon.com/thecoachsjourney and to join the Coach's Journey Community visit www.thecoachsjourney.com/community. Things and people we mentioned (that you might be interested in):- Coaching Agile Teams by Lisa Atkins https://lyssaadkins.com/product/coaching-agile-teams-paperback/ - Listen by Kathryn Mannix https://www.kathrynmannix.com/books/listen/ - With the End in Mind by Kathryn Mannix https://www.kathrynmannix.com/books/with-the-end-in-mind/ - The best chair in the world (according to Claire's LinkedIn connections) https://www.hermanmiller.com/en_gb/products/seating/office-chairs/ - Lucia's husband Marco's website: https://www.marcolattarulo.com/ - The Coaches Walking LinkedIn Group: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/12827884/ - Coaching Outside The Box https://www.coachingoutsidethebox.net/ - Claire’s book https://spckpublishing.co.uk/how-to-make-great-appointments-in-the-church - Nancy Kline https://www.timetothink.com/nancy-kline/ - Brene Brown’s TED talk on vulnerability https://www.ted.com/talks/brene_brown_the_power_of_vulnerability?language=en - Siobhan Miller https://www.linkedin.com/in/siobhan-miller/?originalSubdomain=uk - Jennifer Garvey Berger on The Coach’s Journey Podcast https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-42-jennifer-garvey-berger-the-answer-to-either-or-is-both - Chapter 12 of The Human Behind The Coach is available for free on the website https://www.thehumanbehindthecoach.com/ - Bounce by Matthew Syed https://www.matthewsyed.co.uk/book/bounce-the-myth-of-talent-and-the-power-of-practice/ - Claire and Lucia on a writing retreat https://www.linkedin.com/posts/clairepedrick_thehumanbehindthecoach-activity-7044305188907544576-Gbpi/- The Coaching Inn Podcast https://thecoachinginn.podbean.com/

Oct 5, 2023 • 1h 51min
Episode #54: Toku McCree – Zen and the Art of Coaching
When Toku McCree first learned his purpose, he wondered where it had come from and who had said it—even though he was alone with his thoughts when it came to him.He describes in this episode of The Coach’s Journey Podcast how that particular thought, when it arrived, felt “untouchable” and instilled in him the purpose that now guides him through his life and work.Toku spent more than two-and-a-half years living in a monastery, and insights from his former life as a Zen monk permeate his writing, his creativity and his work as a renowned executive coach.In this episode we dive into Toku’s forthcoming book (you can read three chapters for free here) and he reads aloud sections that offer valuable wisdom on how to allow your coaching style to evolve, how to avoid getting stuck in a rut, and how to invite clients to take the first step when they arrive at coaching with trepidation.If you are struggling with your work or with finding your purpose, this episode explores ways to make that struggle meaningful and guide you forwards towards satisfaction. In this episode, we also talk about:Finding your creative voice and how to think about the body of work you’re creatingBringing reverence to your work and finding satisfaction beyond the hustleKnowing when to challenge and when to encourage our clientsThe six areas of mastery Toku focuses on in his writing and his coach trainingHow to view your coaching as art and how that can guide you to do your best workWe also zoom in on how to accept the times when our work is not our best, and even explore the value in being willing to do bad work!To learn more about me, visit https://www.robbieswale.com/, and to learn more about Toku, visit http://unexecutive.com/.Read three chapters of Toku’s forthcoming book here: https://coachingmba.co/journey-zenandcoaching For information about my wider work, my writing or to buy my books, visit www.robbieswale.com.Music by My Good Man William: listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4KmeQUcTbeE31uFynHQLQgTo support the Coach's Journey, visit www.patreon.com/thecoachsjourney and to join the Coach's Journey Community visit www.thecoachsjourney.com/community. Things and people we mentioned (that you might be interested in):- Toku’s first appearance on The Coach’s Journey Podcast https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-15-toku-mccree-sales-with-honour-and-love-on-the-end-of-a-sword - Toku’s blog https://unexecutive.com/theblog/ - The Prosperous Coach by Rich Litvin https://richlitvin.com/prosperous-coach-2-0/ - Robbie’s 12 Minute Method https://www.robbieswale.com/the12minutemethod - Zen Mind, Beginner’s Mind by Shunryu Suzuki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_Mind,_Beginner%27s_Mind- When Things Fall Apart by Pema Chodron https://pemachodronfoundation.org/product/when-things-fall-apart-book-grouped/ - Everyday Zen by Charlotte Joko Beck https://harpercollins.co.uk/products/everyday-zen-love-and-work-charlotte-joko-beck?variant=32755860766798- Zen and the Art of Archery by Eugen Herrigel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_in_the_Art_of_Archery - Toku’s coaching MBA https://coachingmba.co/about/ BIOGRAPHY FROM TOKUToku McCree is a distinguished executive coach, speaker, and writer, celebrated for his one-of-a-kind combination of ancient wisdom and modern psychology. His life journey weaves an extraordinary tapestry of diverse experiences, contributing to a profound understanding of human nature and personal growth. From a degree in philosophy from George Washington University, to eight years working in the entertainment business alongside record labels and award-winning artists, to over two years dedicated to training as a Zen monk, Toku's multifaceted expertise fuels his approach to coaching. Today, he leverages this unique blend of academic, spiritual, and professional experiences to empower others on their paths of self-discovery and personal growth, making him a leading figure in the field.

Sep 7, 2023 • 2h 11min
Episode #53: Sarah Fox – How to Do Good in the World and Do Well For Yourself
Imagine being able use your skills, expertise and resources in a way that makes the world a better place, while meeting all of your own needs as well.It is a bold, brave goal and one that Sarah Fox, founder and CEO of Do Good and Do Well has put at the very centre of her work as an EMCC accredited coach, mentor, teacher, trainer and facilitator.In this episode of The Coach’s Journey Podcast, Sarah shares the personal and professional experiences that shaped her vision for a company that helps people to flourish, enhances their wellbeing, and allows them to contribute meaningfully to the change they want to see in the world.Sarah sheds light on the hardships and injustices that instilled her with the determination to use her gifts to bring about positive change, and describes how the highs and lows of self-employment led her to create Lasting Impact – a programme to help freelancers contribute to the greater good while ensuring they remain financially stable.Sarah’s journey into coaching – which took her from drama and theatre studies to roles in data entry, education, and the not-for-profit sector – is an inspiring one. The theme of belonging appears throughout her story, along with the values of empathy, care, kindness and courage, which permeate her work. In this episode, we also talk about:Surefire ways to grow your coaching businessHow to know when it’s the right time to go freelanceThe deep thinking required behind how to set your feesHow we can contribute to the greater good in the worldThe importance of cultivating the healthy, wise, Jedi parts of ourselvesSarah and I also share our approaches to managing the finances of our businesses, explaining the tips and tricks that have empowered us to feel better about money and secure in our work.To learn more about me, visit https://www.robbieswale.com/, and to learn more about Sarah, visit http://www.sarahfox.co.uk/.For information about my wider work, my writing or to buy my books, visit www.robbieswale.com.Music by My Good Man William: listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4KmeQUcTbeE31uFynHQLQgTo support the Coach's Journey, visit www.patreon.com/thecoachsjourney and to join the Coach's Journey Community visit www.thecoachsjourney.com/community. Things and people we mentioned (that you might be interested in):- Robbie’s 100 Podcasts Challenge https://www.robbieswale.com/writing/2022/2/4/the-12-minute-method-100-podcasts-challenge - Robbie’s appearance on Sarah’s podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/048-a-12-minute-podcast-about-finding-your-voice/id1544267713?i=1000590634149 - Sarah’s blog about coaching 100 people for free https://sarahfox.co.uk/blog-1/goldenmilk-wf7rd - WBECS https://www.wbecs.com/- Marcia Reynolds on The Coach’s Journey Podcast https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-14-marcia-reynolds-becoming-world-number-five-coachin-guru-rgdph-b5j29- EMCC https://www.emccglobal.org/- Jonathan Rees https://twitter.com/JonathanRees_- Megan Metcalf https://meganmetcalfstudio.com/- People United https://peopleunited.org.uk/?doing_wp_cron=1690294077.4754209518432617187500- Tom Andrews https://peopleunited.org.uk/our-people/tom-andrews/- Sarah’s podcast episode with Tom Andrews https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/058-purpose-the-how-and-starting-with-self-with-tom-andrews/id1544267713?i=1000618007837- People United’s research papers https://peopleunited.org.uk/our-research/- Rest Is Resistance by Tricia Hersey https://thenapministry.com/- Relational Dynamics 1st (RD 1st) https://relationaldynamics1st.co.uk/- Deb Barnard MBE https://www.associationforcoaching.com/member/debbarnardAC- Kathryn Powell https://leadwithoutlimits.co.uk/- Clore Leadership https://www.cloreleadership.org/- Isabel Mortimer https://www.cloreleadership.org/about-us/associates/8920- Lasting Impact https://sarahfox.co.uk/lasting-impact- Robbie’s article about the money stories holding you back https://www.robbieswale.com/the-12-minute-blog/2023/2/24/beware-the-money-stories-holding-you-back - Marketing without the ick https://sarahfox.co.uk/blog-1/marketing-without-the-ick- The Profit First method https://relayfi.com/blog/profit-first-method- Sarah hosting a podcast about philanthropy https://www.linkedin.com/posts/sarahfoxcoach_kent-community-foundation-podcast-the-good-activity-7077898941115027456-E_wL/- Association for Coaching https://www.associationforcoaching.com/BIOGRAPHY FROM SARAHSarah Fox is founder and CEO of Do Good and Do Well, a coaching and consultancy company that helps individuals and organisations use their time, skills, expertise and/or wealth to contribute positively and make the world a better place.Sarah is an EMCC senior practitioner accredited coach and mentor, as well as a qualified teacher, trainer, facilitator and podcaster. Before becoming a coach, Sarah spent 20 years in the not-for-profit sector exploring belonging, kindness and connection.Sarah lives in Ramsgate in Kent and lives with her two children (13 + 11), her husband, one dog, one cat, two crayfish, one shrimp, six fish and two hamsters.

Aug 3, 2023 • 2h 7min
Episode #52: Susana Gonçalves – How an Introvert Engineer Became a Master Certified Coach
As a self-described introvert, it was a surprise to Susana Gonçalves when she found her calling in coaching.In our conversation in episode #52 of The Coach’s Journey Podcast, Susana explains how she experienced “an awakening” that led her forward from her background in IT, engineering and finance.When the organisation she worked for invested in team coaching, Susana witnessed first-hand the evolution of her colleagues as they worked with a coach, inspiring her to invest in her own development and transformation to become a coach.In this episode Susana shares her experience of rising up through male-dominated industries in the early part of her career, instilling her with a deep belief in the power and importance of diversity within organisations – a belief that shapes her work as a coach.Now, as an ICF Master Certified Coach with more than 2,500 hours of experience in coaching leaders and executives, she works with clients across the world, from Saudi Arabia to Brazil. In this episode, we also talk about:The art of team coaching and its transformative potentialThe impact of mindfulness on a coaching practiceThe different ways in which people live and work as coachesThe differences between ICF certificationsImposter syndrome, and how we manage itThrough her coaching company Meaningful Works, Susana has enabled herself to be location-free, delivering her work from wherever she needs to be in the world, and we discuss the sensitivity and understanding required when working cross-culturally.To learn more about me, visit https://www.robbieswale.com/, and to learn more about Susana, visit https://www.linkedin.com/in/susana-goncalves.For information about my wider work, my writing or to buy my books, visit www.robbieswale.com.Music by My Good Man William: listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4KmeQUcTbeE31uFynHQLQgTo support the Coach's Journey, visit www.patreon.com/thecoachsjourney and to join the Coach's Journey Community visit www.thecoachsjourney.com/community. Things and people we mentioned (that you might be interested in):- ICF coach training https://coachingfederation.org/credentials-and-standards/find-education - John Monks on The Coach’s Journey Podcast https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-39-john-monks-closing-the-circle-and-becoming-closer-apart - Robbie’s group coaching session on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFBvAVfZrKQ - Bounce by Matthew Syed https://www.matthewsyed.co.uk/book/bounce-the-myth-of-talent-and-the-power-of-practice/ - Rebel Ideas by Matthew Syed https://www.matthewsyed.co.uk/book/rebel-ideas-the-power-of-diverse-thinking/ - Headspace https://www.headspace.com/ - Insight Timer https://insighttimer.com/en-gb - MCC certification https://coachingfederation.org/credentials-and-standards/credentials-paths/mcc-credential - Live coaching sessions by MCC coaches https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgQvPII9BKg - Janet Harvey https://mccmentorcoach.com/janet-harvey - Janet Harvey video with commentary on a coaching session https://youtu.be/2C8aIPA82UY- Centre for Creative Leadership (CCL) https://www.ccl.org/ - ‘Luck is the residue of design’ – John Miltonhttps://scottturman.com/luck-is-the-residue-of-design - ICF Converge https://coachingfederation.org/events/icf-converge BIOGRAPHY FROM SUSANASusana Gonçalves is an ICF Master Certified Coach with +2,500 hours’ experience coaching leaders and executives globally and a strong background in IT, organisational development and team leadership. She is a seasoned professional with over two decades of experience in multinational organisation environments with a breadth of cultural influences, including invaluable international experience, bringing a wealth of personal and professional experience to her role as executive coach and team coach. She excels in coaching individuals and navigating the complexities of global and culturally diverse teams, yielding remarkable outcomes. She is driven by a profound passion for empowering leaders and guiding them to forge their own transformative paths. Through the creation of a safe coaching space, she brings awareness to their aspirational potential, inspiring them to reach new heights.


