
Work For Humans
Too often business leaders are forced to choose between the needs of their company and the needs of their employees. It’s a lose/lose scenario leaving managers burned out and workers seeking other opportunities. At Work for Humans, we believe work can be designed differently. When you design work like products people love, your company wins. Work becomes irresistible, employees passionately buy into their roles every day, and your company takes measurable strides towards your vision.
Latest episodes

Nov 14, 2023 • 1h
Conflict Without Casualties: How to Lead With Compassion, Build Connection, and Get Results | Nate Regier
Whether it's disagreements with your partner or clashes within your team, one thing is clear – conflict is a part of life. Dr. Nate Regier understands that conflict is unavoidable, but he believes it can be turned into something positive. With his framework Compassionate Accountability, Dr. Regier has helped many groups use conflict as a catalyst for growth and positive change.Dr. Nate Regier is an author and keynote speaker. He's the founder and CEO of Next Element, a global leadership consulting and training firm. He has helped clients like Healthcare Corporation of America (HCA), Blue Cross Blue Shield, and Roche for over a decade, increasing profitability through reduced turnover while significantly enhancing teamwork and work relationships.In this episode, Dart and Nate discuss:- How to de-dramatize an organization- The definition of conflict and how to address it productively- The three roles in every drama and how to pinpoint them at work- The myths that these roles believe- Universal principles we can use when designing work- How to hold yourself accountable- Having a compassion mindset- The 3 narratives of struggle that can get management into trouble- And other topics…Dr. Nate Regier is an author, keynote speaker, and the founder and CEO of Next Element, a global leadership consulting and training firm that works to bring Compassionate Accountability to the workplace. As a former practicing psychologist and expert in social-emotional intelligence, Nate has helped clients like Healthcare Corporation of America (HCA), Ascension Health, Blue Cross Blue Shield, CarFax, and Roche save thousands in turnover and dramatically increase and improve teamwork and work relationships. Nate received his Ph.D. in psychology from the University of Kansas. He is recognized as a Top 100 keynote speaker, a Process Communication Model® Certifying Master Trainer, and the author of four books on interpersonal communications. He has served as an adjunct professor for Conflict Resolution at Pepperdine University for over a decade and is also a founding member of the Changing Work Collective. Resources mentioned:Compassionate Accountability, by Nate Regier: https://www.amazon.com/Compassionate-Accountability-Leaders-Connection-Results/dp/1523004533 Conflict Without Casualties, by Nate Regier: https://www.amazon.com/Conflict-without-Casualties-Compassionate-Accountability/dp/1523082607 Connect with Nate:www.Next-element.comWork with Dart:Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.

Nov 7, 2023 • 1h 5min
Built for People: Using Product Management Principles to Design Work People Love | Jessica Zwaan
Jessica Zwaan, author of Built for People, discusses using product management principles to transform the employee experience. Topics discussed include the value of employees, work as a product, tracking cost versus value of employees, and the shift towards designing work that people love.

Oct 31, 2023 • 1h 14min
Experience Design: The Best Methodology for Creating More Meaningful Work | Abraham Burickson
Exploring the concept of work as an experience design problem, emphasizing the need for every manager to be an experience designer. Importance of aligning work with mission statements for meaningful outcomes and implementing creative methodologies in business. Delving into the disconnect between intellectual ideas and human experience in architecture design, with a focus on Brasilia and Carvassier's work.

Oct 24, 2023 • 56min
Harness Your Team’s Superpowers: Uncovering People’s Core Skillsets and Core Motivators | Ashley Stahl
After dedicating her early professional life to a career in national defense, Ashley made a bold choice to try something different—career coaching. This transition was not without its challenges. In a distressing turn of events, she found herself burdened with a staggering $500,000 debt, reaching a point of profound personal difficulty, both financially and emotionally.It was during this period of adversity that Ashley uncovered the transformative strategies that led her to overcome her hardships and achieve her greatest success to date. Today, she leverages her expertise to guide others in proactively navigating their career paths, helping them avoid similar roadblocks and chart a course toward fulfillment and success, both in their professional lives and beyond.Ashley Stahl is a professional career coach, best-selling author, and global spokesperson who has helped clients in 75+ countries find career fulfillment. Her TEDx talk on intuition and fulfillment is ranked among the top 100 TED talks on the Internet, amassing over 8 million views and counting. In this episode, Dart and Ashley discuss:- How a background in national defense led Ashley to become a renowned career coach- The importance of experimentation to design fulfilling work- Needfinding for employees- The 5 core things people need to understand to find fulfillment- How to choose and define values- Aligning a core skill set to a job experience- Our relationship with money and its impact on our work- Core interests vs. core motivators- And other topics…Ashley Stahl is a counterterrorism professional turned career coach, an international bestselling author, a Fortune 500 spokesperson, and an expert on intuition, personal branding, and fulfillment. Her TEDx talk on intuition and fulfillment is ranked amongst the top 100 TED talks on the Internet, amassing over 8 million views and counting. Between her latest book, You Turn, online courses, subscribers, and “The You Turn Podcast” show, Ashley has been able to help clients in over 75 countries find career fulfillment. Ashley maintains a monthly career column in Forbes, and her work has also been featured in The Wall Street Journal, CBS, SELF, Washington Post, and Chicago Tribune, among others. She's also the founder and current spokesperson of CAKE Publishing, a ghostwriting and publicity house for entrepreneurs and organizations.Resourced mentioned:You Turn, by Ashley Stahl: https://www.amazon.com/You-Turn-Unstuck-Discover-Direction/dp/1950665690 The Science of Happily Ever After, by Ty Tashiro: https://www.amazon.com/Science-Happily-Ever-After-Matters/dp/1335284796 Connect with Ashley:https://www.ashleystahl.com/ Work with Dart:Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.

Oct 17, 2023 • 1h 11min
Thinking Classrooms: How to Design Environments That Get People Thinking | Peter Liljedahl
With decades of experience in education, Dr. Peter Liljedahl realized that classrooms and workspaces have long been failing to engage those within them. He began a push to shift the paradigm of learning by challenging every classroom norm he could find - and it worked. Dr. Liljedahl was able to increase student thinking and engagement, and his revolutionary ideas are now able to be applied to work around the world.Dr. Peter Liljedahl is an author, researcher, and Professor of Faculty Education at Simon Fraser University in Vancouver, Canada. He has authored or co-authored 38 journal articles, over 50 conference papers, and 12 books including Building Thinking Classrooms. Working within education for decades, Peter consults regularly with schools, school districts, and ministries of education on issues of teaching and learning, assessment, and numeracy. In this episode, Dart and Peter discuss:- Peter’s redesign of the classroom and how it can be applied to work- How to create an environment that cultivates thinking- Transforming norms to achieve better results- The importance of collaboration in work and learning- The best ways to evaluate employee performance- Deconstructing ideas into actionable points- What creates “Aha!” moments- The structure of a good task- And other topics…Dr. Peter Liljedahl is an author, researcher, and Professor of Faculty Education at Simon Fraser University in Vancouver, Canada. He has authored or co-authored over 38 book chapters, 38 journal articles, over 50 conference papers, and 12 books including Building Thinking Classrooms. Working within education for decades, Peter consults regularly with schools, school districts, and ministries of education on issues of teaching and learning, assessment, and numeracy. Peter is the current president of the Canadian Mathematics Education Study Group (CMESG) and the International Group for the Psychology of Mathematics Education (PME). He also serves on various editorial boards and is a senior editor of IJSME. Dr. Liljedahl recently received the Cmolik Prize for the enhancement of public education in BC as well as the Margaret Sinclair Memorial Award for innovation and excellence in mathematics education.Resourced mentioned:Building Thinking Classrooms in Mathematics, Grades K-12, by Peter Liljedahl: https://www.amazon.com/Building-Thinking-Classrooms-Mathematics-Grades/dp/1544374836Weapons of the Weak, by James Scott: https://www.amazon.com/Weapons-Weak-Everyday-Peasant-Resistance/dp/0300036418 A Pattern Language, by Christopher Alexander: https://www.amazon.com/Pattern-Language-Buildings-Construction-Environmental/dp/0195019199Connect with Peter:https://buildingthinkingclassrooms.com/Facebook Groups: Thinking ClassroomsWork with Dart:Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.

Oct 10, 2023 • 1h 1min
The Impending AI Revolution: Recent Layoffs In Tech May Be The Tip of the Iceberg | Kevin Wheeler
As employers constantly try to guess the next talent acquisition trend, Kevin Wheeler has studied talent management long enough to know that many answers lie in the past. In this episode, Kevin and Dart discuss current employment trends in their historical context to hypothesize the future of global talent acquisition. Kevin Wheeler is a globally known speaker, author, futurist, and consultant in talent management, human capital acquisition and learning & development. He is the Founder of The Future of Talent Institute, facilitator of Future of Talent Retreats across three continents, and the author of multiple books and hundreds of articles on work and talent acquisition. In this episode, Dart and Kevin discuss:- The largest trends in talent acquisition and employment today- How work is being decentralized - The essential skills tech workers will need in the next decade- The benefits of a liberal arts degree- Changes in global demographics and their effects on work- The relationship between the U.S.A, China, and Asia- Employees as investors vs. customers- The three groups employers hire for- And other topics…Kevin Wheeler is a globally known speaker, author, futurist, and consultant in talent management, human capital acquisition and learning & development. He has founded several organizations including the Future of Talent Institute, Global Learning Resources, Inc., and the Australasian Talent Conference, Ltd. Kevin hosts Future of Talent Retreats across three continents, has authored various books and hundreds of articles on talent acquisition, and writes frequently on LinkedIn and as a columnist for ERE.net. Prior to his work at The Future of Talent Institute, Kevin held a 20+ year corporate career in several tech and financial firms in San Francisco. He also served on the faculty of San Francisco State University and the University of San Francisco. Resourced mentioned:UX Strategy, by Jaime Levy: https://www.amazon.com/UX-Strategy-Innovative-Digital-Products/dp/1449372864 Connect with Kevin :https://futureoftalent.orgKevin’s FOT weekly newsletter: https://fotnews.futureoftalent.org/Work with Dart:Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.

Oct 3, 2023 • 58min
Conditioned: How Your Brain Makes Decisions and What It Means for Work Design | Loretta Breuning
Dr. Loretta Breuning's upbringing was marked by conflict, which shaped her into an adult who avoided confrontation. Much like many of us, she often felt stuck in her automatic reactions, not understanding their origins. However, her exploration of mammalian behavior unveiled the link between our brains, past experiences, and fundamental chemicals.Through this understanding, Dr. Breuning discovered that we can rewire our brains using targeted psychological techniques. This rewiring process enables us to foster greater self-acceptance and achieve more positive outcomes, both in our professional and personal lives.Loretta Graziano Breuning, Ph.D., is Founder of the Inner Mammal Institute, Professor Emerita of Management at California State University, and author of Habits of a Happy Brain. Her work has been translated into 14 languages and has helped thousands of people build new neural pathways to produce more positive outcomes. In this episode, Dart and Loretta discuss:- 4 core brain chemicals and how they affect our experience of work- The origin and purpose of serotonin, dopamine, oxytocin, and endorphin- Our “survival needs” in the workplace- How to identify and understand our emotional responses to improve the experience of work- Psychological techniques for hacking our brain patterns - How to use this knowledge to create more happiness – internally and at work- And other topics…Loretta Graziano Breuning, Ph.D., is Founder of the Inner Mammal Institute and Professor Emerita of Management at California State University, East Bay. She's the author of many books on happiness, including Habits of a Happy Brain: Retrain your brain to boost your serotonin, dopamine, oxytocin and endorphin levels. Her work has been translated into 14 languages and has helped thousands of people build new neural pathways to produce more positive outcomes. Before teaching, Loretta worked in Africa for the United Nations. She holds a BS from Cornell University and a PhD from Tufts University. In her free time, she travels to historic places and studies foreign languages.Resources mentioned:Habits of a Happy Brain, by Loretta Breuning: https://www.amazon.com/Habits-Happy-Brain-Serotonin-Endorphin/dp/1440590508 Connect with Loretta:www.innermammalinstitute.org Work with Dart:Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.

Sep 26, 2023 • 52min
How To Change Minds: The Impact of Framing on Thoughts and Behaviors | Nathaniel Kendall-Taylor
Nathaniel Kendall-Taylor, CEO of the FrameWorks Institute, uses his expertise in psychological anthropology and communications science to discuss the profound impact of framing on public perception. He explains how information is often misinterpreted and how tailored communication can shift cultural mindsets. The conversation explores strategies for effectively conveying critical ideas, the nuances of adolescent narratives, and how rethinking workplace dynamics can foster social change. Kendall-Taylor emphasizes that changing how we present ideas is essential for mobilizing action and crafting a better future.

Sep 19, 2023 • 1h 9min
Human Factors and Ergonomics: How to Design Work for Humans | Sara Pazell
In every manmade job, place, and activity, design plays a pivotal role in shaping our experiences. Sadly, many designs miss the mark by neglecting the profound psychosocial impact they wield. This is where Dr. Sara Pazell steps in. As a dynamic design strategist, she empowers companies across industries to embrace human-centered work by integrating designs that ensure not only functionality but transformative success.Dr. Pazell is the managing director and principal consultant at Viva Health at Work and podcaster of WhyWork. At Viva, Sara leads companies to find solutions for human factors and ergonomics design across industries like mining, transportation, healthcare, retail, finance, food and beverage, sport and fitness, and government organizations. In this episode, Dart and Sara discuss:- The job of a work design strategist- Ergonomics and human factors in design- Why companies should consider psychosocial factors in design- The 7 principles of a human-centered organization- How to generate excitement and engagement when designing work- Improving design using failure modes analysis (in reverse)- How to contextualize design for success- The best and worst ways to generate new ideas- And other topics…Dr. Sara Pazell is a principal work design strategist, WhyWork podcaster, and managing director and principal consultant at Viva Health at Work. At Viva Health at Work, Sara leads companies in finding solutions for human factors and ergonomics design and work practices across industries like mining, transportation, healthcare, retail, finance, food and beverage, sport and fitness, and government organizations.In the past, Dr. Pazell has served as a healthcare professional, an executive business manager for health and surgical care facilities, and a trainer for business, leadership, and health and fitness training companies. She has helped publish various case studies and articles around work design and received her Doctor of Philosophy from the University of Queensland, where she is an Industry Fellow.Resources mentioned:International Ergonomics Association: https://iea.cc/ Human Factors and Ergonomics Society: https://www.hfes.org/ Human Factors and Ergonomics Society of Australia: https://www.ergonomics.org.au/Charted Institute of Ergonomics and Human Factors: https://ergonomics.org.uk/ Jobs to Be Done, by Jim Kalbach: https://www.amazon.com/Jobs-Be-Done-Playbook-Organization/dp/1933820683 How Buildings Learn, by Stewart Brand: https://www.amazon.com/How-Buildings-Learn-Happens-Theyre/dp/0140139966 Connect with Sara:Viva Health at Work: https://vivahealthgroup.com.au/ WhyWork Podcast: https://whywork.com.au Work with Dart:Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.

Sep 12, 2023 • 1h 6min
Tragic Design: The Impact of Bad Product Design and How to Fix It | Jonathan Shariat
Thoughtfully designed products can promote efficacy, success, and joy – but that’s only one side of the coin. Bad design is everywhere, and poorly designed products cause more than mere discomfort; they can anger, sadden, exclude, and even kill the people who use them. From a bad interface that ended a young cancer patient’s life to product designs that exclude minority groups, Jonathan Shariat has seen his fair share of dangerous designs during his decade-long career as a senior designer – a trend he’s determined to rectify. Jonathan is an international speaker, former podcast host, design leader at Google, and author of Tragic Design: The Impact of Bad Product Design. He is passionate about using design as a tool to improve our world, with over a decade of experience working as a senior designer for companies like Intuit, Project Ronin, and Hightail. In this episode, Dart and Jonathan discuss:- The high stakes of bad design- Incorporating accessibility and the human experience into design- Transforming pessimism into innovation- What types of design anger, sadden, and kill customers - Accidental dark patterns at work and how to fix them- How company values slowly impact design, products, and business success- The importance of qualitative research - And other topics…Jonathan Shariat is an international speaker, podcast host, and senior interaction design leader at Google. Jonathan is passionate about doing right by others and using design as a tool to improve the world we live in, with over a decade of experience working in design with startups to large companies. Before Google, Jonathan worked as a senior designer for Project Ronin, Intuit, and Hightail, as well as a product director for Therapydia.Jonathan’s insights and passion for ethical and helpful design are shared in his latest book, Tragic Design: The Impact of Bad Product Design and How to Fix It. He is also the author of a #1 most recommended article on Medium titled “How Bad UX Killed Jenny.” Resources mentioned:Tragic Design, by Jonathan Shariat and Cynthia Savard Saucier: https://www.amazon.com/Tragic-Design-Impact-Bad-Product/dp/149192361X Connect with Jonathan:www.Jonathanshariat.comWork with Dart:Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.
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