
Work For Humans
Too often business leaders are forced to choose between the needs of their company and the needs of their employees. It’s a lose/lose scenario leaving managers burned out and workers seeking other opportunities. At Work for Humans, we believe work can be designed differently. When you design work like products people love, your company wins. Work becomes irresistible, employees passionately buy into their roles every day, and your company takes measurable strides towards your vision.
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Apr 2, 2024 • 51min
Unpacking Collective Trauma: What Is It, and How Does It Show up in Our Organizations? | Thomas Huebl
Thomas Huebl has firsthand experience with the deep-rooted nature of collective trauma. From engaging with Israeli descendants of Holocaust survivors to coaching executives at international firms, he understands just how deeply ingrained collective trauma is in society. For over 20 years, Thomas has been dedicated to leading dialogues on collective trauma across generations, professions, and cultures. His efforts have touched the lives of thousands, fostering reflection, learning, and healing worldwide.Thomas Huebl, Ph.D., is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator specializing in collective trauma healing and cultural change within systems. With over two decades of experience, he has impacted over 100,000 individuals worldwide through his teachings.In this episode, Dart and Thomas discuss:- Trauma and its relevance to companies- Key takeaways from the book Attuned- How trauma is transmitted through generations- Post-traumatic learning - Examples of collective trauma- How trauma manifests within a company- Healing trauma and contributing to a collective good- What it feels like to work in a healthy company - And other topics…Thomas Huebl, Ph.D., is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator specializing in collective trauma healing and cultural change within systems. With over 20 years of experience, he has impacted over 100,000 individuals worldwide through his teachings. His authored works, including Attuned, The Power of We, and Healing Collective Trauma, have gained widespread recognition, including being featured in Oprah Daily’s “10 Books to Help with Old, Painful Traumas.” As an executive coach and trainer, Thomas leads innovative frameworks such as the Collective Trauma Integration Process. His commitment to trauma-informed leadership is reflected in his founding of The Pocket Project NGO and the Academy of Inner Science. Thomas has also served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, and he is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.Resources mentioned:Attuned, by Thomas Huebl: https://www.amazon.com/Attuned-Practicing-Interdependence-Trauma_and-World/dp/1649631561 Healing Collective Trauma, by Thomas Huebl: https://www.amazon.com/Healing-Collective-Trauma-Integrating-Intergenerational/dp/B08N5CQWRC The Power of We, by Thomas Huebl: https://www.amazon.com/The-Power-of-We-Thomas-H%C3%83%C2%BCbl-audiobook/dp/B00PULRE26 Modern Mystic, by Thomas Huebl: https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Mystic-consciously-conversation-Breidenbach/dp/B09TJRRVGP Connect with Thomas:www.thomashuebl.comwww.pocketproject.org Work with Dart:Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.

Mar 26, 2024 • 52min
The State of Work: Are People Happier at Work Than We’ve Been Led to Believe? | Juliana Horowitz
In a world where headlines often drown out research and analysis, the Pew Research Center stands out through its comprehensive studies and analyses. From demographics to societal issues, Associate Director of Research Juliana Horowitz helps us explore the facts behind American workplace trends.Dr. Juliana Horowitz is the Associate Director of Research at Pew Research Center. She has over fifteen years of experience in designing and managing both domestic and international survey projects, covering a wide range of social issues from workplace culture to political landscapes.In this episode, Dart and Juliana discuss:- The mission of the Pew Research Center- Work trends during the COVID pandemic - Selecting research focus areas- How Americans view their jobs- Why Americans quit during the Great Resignation- How the pandemic reshaped work in America- And other topics…Dr. Juliana Menasce Horowitz serves as the Associate Director of Research at Pew Research Center, a distinguished and nonpartisan research organization known for its rigorous methodology and comprehensive studies. With over fifteen years of experience designing and managing survey projects, Juliana is involved in all stages of the research process, from spearheading major survey initiatives to analyzing poll data. Her research portfolio covers a wide range of social issues including racial attitudes, gender equality, the culture of work, the changing American family, and economic well-being.Juliana holds a doctorate in political science from the University of Maryland at College Park. Before joining the Pew Research Center, she also contributed to the Center for American Politics and Citizenship at the University of Maryland. Resources mentioned:“How Americans View Their Jobs,” by Juliana Horowitz: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/03/30/how-americans-view-their-jobs/“Majority of workers who quit a job in 2021 cite low pay, no opportunities for advancement, feeling disrespected,” by Juliana Horowitz: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/03/09/majority-of-workers-who-quit-a-job-in-2021-cite-low-pay-no-opportunities-for-advancement-feeling-disrespected/“COVID-19 Pandemic Continues To Reshape Work in America,” by Juliana Horowitz: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/02/16/covid-19-pandemic-continues-to-reshape-work-in-america/ Connect with Juliana:Pew Research Center: https://www.pewresearch.org/staff/juliana-menasce-horowitz/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/julianahorowitz/ Work with Dart:Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.

Mar 19, 2024 • 1h 8min
Psychological Design: How Environments Predict Our Psychology, Behavior, and Ability to Thrive | Jan Golembiewski
Every building comes with a set of expectations. Students are quiet in a library, but loud on a playground. Adults are focused in their deckchairs yet chatty on bar stools. Witnessing the limitations of conventional building design, Jan Golembiewski began to leverage design psychology to improve the lives of different groups, from inmates to the elderly. As one of the world’s leading researchers in architectural design psychology, Dr. Golembiewski works to create spaces that prioritize health and overall flourishing. Dr. Jan Golembiewski is the director and nominated architect of Psychological Design, as well as the co-founder and CEO of Earthbuilt Technology. Dr. Golembiewski is committed to understanding how the built environment impacts human health and well-being, conducting extensive research on the intersection of design and psychology and salutogenic design.In this episode, Dart and Jan discuss:- A unique design approach called salutogenesis- Designing a workplace where employees can thrive- Salutogenic architecture - Balancing affordances and choices in design- The narrative context embedded in architecture- How money-driven architecture affects livability- The key traits of salutogenic architects- And other topics…Dr. Jan Golembiewski is one of the world’s leading researchers in architectural design psychology. He is the director and nominated architect of Psychological Design, as well as the co-founder and CEO of Earthbuilt Technology. Dr. Golembiewski is committed to understanding how the built environment impacts human health and well-being, conducting extensive research on the intersection of design and psychology. Through his work on salutogenic design psychology, he creates spaces that encourage not only productivity but individual flourishing. Dr. Golembiewski received his Ph.D. in architecture from the University of Sydney. He currently serves as an editorial board member for the Prudence Journal of Medicine and Medical Science and The Rangsit Journal of Social Sciences and Humanities. His work has earned him a fellowship in the Centre for Urban Design and Mental Health, and he is the only designer hired by the Schizophrenia Research Institute. Resources mentioned:“The Art of Transformation: Experience Design for Transformative Experiences | Claus Raasted and Paul Bulencea.” Work for Humans. August 2023. The Battle for the Life and Beauty of the Earth, by Christopher Alexander: https://www.amazon.com/Battle-Life-Beauty-Earth-World-Systems/dp/0199898073 Connect with Jan:www.psychological.designGoogle Scholar: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=vwuUGOkAAAAJ&hl=en&oi=aoMagic, by Jan Golembiewski: https://www.amazon.com/Magic-Jan-Golembiewski-ebook/dp/B07J5RNFWV Work with Dart:Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.

Mar 12, 2024 • 1h 4min
Kickstarter Co-Founder: Financial Maximization Is Destroying Our Humanity | Yancey Strickler
Yancey Strickler, Kickstarter Co-Founder, discusses shifting from profit-driven to value-focused business culture. Topics include Bentoism philosophy, impact of financial maximization, Metalabel startup, heterarchy in organizations, and personal growth.

Mar 5, 2024 • 56min
Think Different: How Design Led Companies Outperform Competitors, Create Movements, and Change the World | Ekaterina Solomeina
There is a clear divide at work between traditional finance-led companies and innovative, design-focused firms. Creative leaders face unique challenges, from guiding creative teams to addressing ethical dilemmas. As a design expert and creative at heart, Ekaterina Solomeina aims to revolutionize leadership education in this space through the Future London Academy. Here, leaders learn a fresh approach to navigate the complexities of creativity, ethics, and inclusivity in today’s dynamic workplace.Ekaterina is a creative director, TEDx speaker, and co-founder of Future London Academy, an executive school for entrepreneurs, innovators, designers, and managers. For the past 14 years, Ekaterina has worked with top design companies and clients such as Versace, Microsoft, Walmart, IBM, and Coca-Cola, among others. In this episode, Dart and Ekaterina discuss:- What creative leaders need to know to lead today’s workplace- Challenges faced by creative leaders: from understanding finance to facing ethics- How to manage creative employees effectively- The Future London Academy’s faculty and disciplines- Measures and metrics for creativity and impact- Embracing neurodiversity as a leader- And other topics…Ekaterina Solomeina is a creative director, entrepreneur, TEDx speaker, and co-founder of Future London Academy. For the past 14 years, Ekaterina has worked with top design and innovation companies around the world, including Mind Gym, NB Studio, and Michael Wolff. Her clients include Versace, Microsoft, Walmart, IBM, and Coca-Cola, among others. Combining her design expertise with her passion for education, Ekaterina helped start Future London Academy, an executive school for creatives that bridges behavioral psychology and design to create better user experiences. Ekaterina’s design mastery has made her a regular speaker for institutions across the globe including TedX, London School of Economics, and Brunel University. Resources mentioned:Winning on Purpose, by Fred Reichheld: https://www.amazon.com/Winning-Purpose-Unbeatable-Strategy-Customers/dp/1647821789 Connect with Ekaterina:www.futurelondonacademy.comInstagram: @futurelondonacademyLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/solomeina Work with Dart:Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.

Feb 27, 2024 • 1h 11min
Talentism: A Management System to Unlock Human Potential | Jeff Hunter
Today we're joined by Jeff Hunter. Jeff is an award-winning entrepreneur and the Founder of Talentism – a philosophy and organization designed to help business leaders unleash the human potential within their organizations. By shifting their focus to the untapped potential of their employees, companies can unlock innovation and growth, harnessing human talent for lasting success.Prior to Talentism, Jeff was Head of Recruiting at Bridgewater Associates. Through his leadership roles at Bridgewater, Electronic Arts, and Dolby, Jeff found his purpose in creating and scaling systems to unleash human potential.In this episode, Dart and Jeff discuss:- Talentism’s visionary management approach - How the current system is limiting potential- Cognitive bias: workplace errors and their roots- CEO accountability in system shortcomings- The benefits of prioritizing talent over capital - The ideal business system- How Jeff’s experience at Bridgewater shaped his career- Hiring for values- And other topics…Jeff Hunter is an award-winning tech and services entrepreneur, writer, and CEO coach. He is the founder and CEO of Talentism, a company that works with high-growth startups to unleash potential and achieve scale. Prior to Talentism, Jeff was Head of Recruiting at Bridgewater Associates. Through his leadership roles at Bridgewater, EA, and Dolby, Jeff found his purpose in creating and scaling systems to unleash human potential. Jeff holds a BA in History and Philosophy from Occidental College. He began his career as an early employee at Conner Peripherals, the fastest-growing manufacturing startup in history. He then co-founded DataMain Technologies, where he discovered his passion for enhancing company performance by focusing on company culture and people. Connect with Jeff:www.talentism.com Work with Dart:Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.

Feb 20, 2024 • 1h 3min
Designing for Emergence: How Complex Systems Emerge From Simple Rules | Sharon Wohl
Work and urban design are continuously evolving, but there’s something to be learned from one of the oldest multi-sided businesses in history – the Grand Bazaar. This intricate market has somehow managed to sustain itself for over 500 years without a single leader at the helm. Dr. Sharon Wohl has spent countless hours analyzing the design of the Grand Bazaar, revealing how such bottom-up hierarchies can produce quality products and processes consistently for hundreds of years.Dr. Sharon Wohl is a distinguished scholar specializing in complex adaptive systems within urban design. She is the current Associate Dean for the College of Architecture and Environmental Design at Kent State University. In this episode, Dart and Sharon discuss:- The emergence and sustainability of the Grand Bazaar- Complex adaptive systems (CASTs) in decentralized settings- Whether or not we need an overarching governance at work- How simple rules can lead to complex results - An analysis of bottom-up strategies for system design and urbanism- The less visible flows within a business- The way designers can enable thriving systems - And other topics…Dr. Sharon Wohl is a distinguished scholar specializing in complex adaptive systems within urban design. With a Ph.D. in Spatial Planning and Strategy from Delft Technical University, Sharon has taught at University of Manitoba and held a tenured position at Iowa State University. She is the current Associate Dean for the College of Architecture and Environmental Design at Kent State University. Prior to completing her doctorate, she practiced with the award-winning Canadian Architectural firm, 5468796 Architecture.Wohl’s research examines how principles of complex adaptive systems can be operationalized within the built environment. Her expertise in complexity has been recognized through a research fellowship with the Institute for Advanced Studies in Amsterdam, invitations for speaking/guest lecture events, and her academic appointment as an FRK Faculty Fellow at ISU. Her research has been published in a variety of journals, including Planning Theory, Progress in Human Geography, and Space and Culture. Resources mentioned:“The Grand Bazaar in Istanbul,” by Sharon Wohl: https://dr.lib.iastate.edu/server/api/core/bitstreams/f478ee3b-4098-4630-996b-024d6eefca01/contentHow Buildings Learn, by Stewart Brand: https://www.amazon.com/How-Buildings-Learn-Happens-Theyre/dp/0140139966 Connect with Sharon:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sharon-wohl-4168177 Google Scholar: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=mGa84LoAAAAJ&hl=en&oi=ao Work with Dart:Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.

Feb 13, 2024 • 1h 12min
Fix the Environment, Not the People: Collecting Actionable Data to Mitigate Work Friction | Christophe Martel
According to Gartner Research, work friction costs employees 1.9 extra hours of work per day on routine tasks. For a company with 10,000 employees, that translates to a staggering loss of $78.4M annually. From excessive meetings to inefficient workplace processes, Christophe Martel is actively investigating the underlying causes of employee dissatisfaction. Armed with data-driven strategies, he's determined to implement lasting solutions.Christophe Martel is a seasoned business leader with over three decades of experience. He is the co-founder and CEO of FOUNT Global, Inc., a company that assists organizations worldwide to identify and mitigate work friction, fostering improved outcomes for employees and companies alike.In this episode, Dart and Christophe discuss:- How Christophe’s career led him to co-found FOUNT- The types of work friction and their company impact- The difference between work friction and organizational friction- Who is responsible for the sites of friction- The data-driven model behind FOUNT- Using first-person experiences to solve large-scale business problems - And other topics…Christophe Martel is the co-founder and CEO of FOUNT Global, Inc., a SaaS company that helps global organizations reduce work friction and improve employee experiences. With over three decades of experience as a business leader, Christophe has spent his career exploring the employee experience across four continents. Through FOUNT, he helps companies identify the root causes of employee dissatisfaction and prioritize solutions within company environments. Prior to founding FOUNT, Christophe was president and co-founder of TI People, a company dedicated to human-centered design backed by data-driven methodologies. He is also the former chief HR Officer of CEB, a global research and advisory company acquired by Gartner in 2017. Currently, Christophe serves as a Board Member for Executive Networks, where he continues to share his expertise in organizational leadership and development.Resources mentioned:www.getfount.comConnect with Christophe:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cxpmartel/ Work with Dart:Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.

Feb 6, 2024 • 1h 7min
Beyond Workism: Rekindling Joy in a Work-Dominated World | Alice Katter
When Alice Katter moved from Europe to the U.S., she was startled by the prevalent 9-to-5 culture dominating her colleagues' lives. Witnessing many Americans trapped in this work-centric routine until retirement, Alice sought an alternative. Exploring the different approaches to work, she set out on a mission to help others discover connection, inspiration, and regenerative practices in the workplace.Alice Katter is a Work Culture & Community Designer and Consultant and the founder of Out of Office Network, a pioneering research and design lab and hub. With over a decade of expertise in operations, programs, and strategy, Alice has collaborated with renowned organizations such as Dropbox Design, Red Bull, NOBL, and Creative Mornings. In this episode, Dart and Alice discuss:- The alternatives to a U.S. work-dominated culture - Alice’s exploration of 6 rhythms of work - How to create a regenerative work and lifestyle- Insights from mushrooms on problem-solving- Tools for human connectedness in remote corporations- Fostering play in the workplace- Defining joy in and outside of work- And other topics…Alice Katter is a Work Culture & Community Designer and Consultant on a mission to craft a future where creativity, joy, and well-being are at the heart of workplaces and everyday life. With over a decade of expertise in operations, programs, and strategy, Alice has collaborated with renowned organizations such as Dropbox Design, Red Bull, NOBL, and Creative Mornings. As the founder of Out of Office Network, a pioneering research and design lab and hub, Alice is at the forefront of reimagining the way we work in a modern world. Leveraging her background in psychology, Alice enhanced her skill set through the Executive Program in Social Innovation Design, Design Thinking, and Life-Design at the University of Pennsylvania. Her impact spans across organizations from New York to London. Resources mentioned:Reimagining the Nature of Work booklet, by Alice Katter: https://www.getoutofoffice.network/shop/p/reimagining-the-nature-of-work“Making Work More Than Just Agendas,” by Alice Katter: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/making-work-more-than-just-schedules-strategies-amplify-alice-katter%3FtrackingId= Flourishing In and Out of Office interview with Alice Katter: https://zeusjones.com/athena/articles/flourishing-in-and-out-of-officeCorporate Tarot Connection Cards: https://dropbox.design/resource/corporate-tarot-connection-cardsSpirit of Joy Planner: https://dropbox.design/resource/spirit-of-joy-planner Connect with Alice:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alicekatter Out of Office newsletter: https://www.getoutofoffice.network/Work with Dart:Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.

Jan 30, 2024 • 55min
Talent Marketplaces: Sourcing the Talent You Need From the Team You Already Have | Heather Yurko
It's been several years since the onset of our current pandemic labor market, yet large organizations still face challenges in recruiting and retaining top-tier talent. In response to this challenge, some organizations are leveraging new tools to source the skills they need from the talent they already have.Heather Yurko is a seasoned talent strategist who has implemented talent marketplaces in two Fortune 50 companies, providing them with platforms to source internal talent to solve business problems as they arise.In this episode, Heather and Dart discuss the benefits of implementing an internal talent or opportunity marketplace, how these marketplaces improve employee satisfaction and retention, workplace sustainability in a post-pandemic world, and much more.Topics Include:- Skills-Based Management- Using talent marketplaces to facilitate employee career growth- Hiring for adaptability rather than credentials- The biggest hurdles to implementing a talent marketplace- The reliability of skill assessments in employee hiring- How skills-based hiring can support DEIA initiatives- Specialization versus generalization in the modern workforce- And other topics...Heather Yurko holds an M.A. in organizational development from Columbia University-Teachers College, and has been building people, processes, and organizations for more than 20 years. She has implemented talent marketplaces for two Fortune 50 companies including Cisco Systems. Heather was the Director of Global Channels Engagement at Facebook before transitioning into her current role as VP of Digital Talent for Mastercard.Resources Mentioned:The Cold Start Problem by Andrew Chen: https://www.amazon.com/The-Cold-Start-Problem/dp/B08MKNHSWC/Work with Dart:Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.
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