
That Relationship Show
The Couch offers an opportunity to hear experienced marriage counselors share what they've learned from decades of working with couples. If you and your partner are disconnected, unable to talk without arguing or wondering if you can save your relationship, Deb and Nao can help. Their warm, engaging way of talking about EFT can offer hope when all seems lost in your relationship.
Latest episodes

Sep 16, 2017 • 43min
Pursuing Connection
In this episode, Deb and Nao talk about pursuing, adding context to deepen understanding. Nao interviews Marriage and Family Therapist Dee Emerson Clancy, who gives us insight into what is behind the pursuer's actions. Ideas are given for how both the pursuer and withdrawer can make small changes to step out of the negative cycle.

Sep 2, 2017 • 55min
Infidelity and Other Relationship Breaches
Deb and Nao talk about different kinds of breaches, and introduce what for many couples is the most painful---infidelity. They talk with Sandra Taylor, Ph.D., certified supervisor and trainer-in-training from the northwest of England. Dr. Taylor is a founding member of EFT in Great Britain. She provides insight as to why the model doesn't begin to tackle infidelity until couples are deescalated.

Aug 20, 2017 • 36min
Withdrawers: What Makes Them Tick?
In this episode, Deb and Nao interview Psychologist and "recovering" Withdrawer herself, Dr. Laura Craig-Bray. She explains what drives the typical behaviors of Withdrawers, and how their partners can help them re-engage.

Jun 17, 2017 • 36min
Why do emotions matter so much?
Deb and Nao discuss the importance of emotional connection in relationships, some of the roadblocks, and how EFT can help couples navigate emotions successfully.

May 22, 2017 • 43min
Attachment- Why your childhood matters
In this episode, Deb and Nao interview Dr. Pam Alexander, psychologist and Attachment researcher to learn why therapists are always so interested in learning about your childhood. Dr. Alexander explains clearly how our early experiences shape our relationships in adulthood.

May 12, 2017 • 34min
What happens to couples?
Deb and Nao talk about how what starts out so loving and happy can become painful and divisive. They introduce this podcast, where experienced marriage counselors will share what they've learned about forming lasting, loving connections with those who matter most to us.