
That Relationship Show
The Couch offers an opportunity to hear experienced marriage counselors share what they've learned from decades of working with couples. If you and your partner are disconnected, unable to talk without arguing or wondering if you can save your relationship, Deb and Nao can help. Their warm, engaging way of talking about EFT can offer hope when all seems lost in your relationship.
Latest episodes

May 23, 2018 • 1h 15min
Complex Trauma, Military Service and Relationships
In this informative and moving episode, psychologist Dr. Shiri Cohen takes us inside the lives of soldiers and the people who love them, as they adjust to family life post-deployment. A certified EFT therapist and clinician working with the Home Base foundation in Boston, Dr. Cohen has the compassion and expertise to enlighten us about the many challenges these brave men and women face, and the possibilities for healing that therapy can offer.

Apr 22, 2018 • 1h 11min
Trauma and Relationships
Traumatic events, whether in childhood or adulthood leave an indelible mark on us as individuals. It turns out they can also wreak havoc on our relationships. Deb and Nao offer different definitions of trauma, including a few that may surprise listeners. They welcome renowned specialist Dr. Kathryn Rheem, ICEEFT certified trainer who brings a wealth of information about how EFT can help couples impacted by trauma to a place of hope and healing.

Mar 10, 2018 • 59min
Connection: The Antidote for Addiction
Addiction hurts everyone in its path---from the person who uses to everyone who cares about them. Yet "tough love" approaches have not proven effective. In this episode we welcome from Atlanta Certified EFT trainer Michael Barnett LPC, who has years of experience treating couples and treating addiction. He weaves these together with EFT to create a gentle, respectful model that promotes healing for couples impacted by addiction.

Feb 13, 2018 • 58min
SEX
In this episode, Deb & Nao enlist the help of experts Mike Moran and Dr. Zoya Simakhodskaya to tackle what can be one of the most difficult topics for couples to discuss---sex. With certifications in sex therapy and years of helping couples and training therapists between them, these NYC-based therapists provide answers to some of the most-asked questions on this topic. Dr. Zoya and Mike offer hope---even for those couples who might fear that they can never rekindle their sexual connection.

Jan 28, 2018 • 46min
LOVE
From the dizzying exuberance of infatuation to the deep comfort of long-term companionship, Deb and Nao explore different aspects of love. They interview Certified EFT therapist and Supervisor, Nancy Knudsen. Nancy has facilitated numerous EFT couples weekend workshops, and co-created one called Hold Me Tight, Hold Me Just Right. She describes the possibilities for deepening connection in these workshops, and shares the stories of love she has witnessed along the way.

Jan 6, 2018 • 1h 1min
Addiction and Relationships
In this episode, Deb & Nao talk with renowned EFT therapist and international trainer Jim Thomas about the complex issue of addiction, and the devastating impact it has on relationships. Through his engaging style and 30+ years of experience, Jim offers hope and healing to couples and families impacted by addiction.

Dec 1, 2017 • 57min
Shame: The Autoimmune Emotion
In this episode, Deb & Nao welcome renowned EFT therapist and trainer Dr. Rebecca Jorgensen to discuss the enormous impact that shame can have on individuals and relationships. Dr. Becca offers wisdom and hope for those who are impacted by the pain and loneliness that shame brings.

Nov 18, 2017 • 35min
Shame: The Autoimmune Emotion from life's stressors?
In this episode, Deb and Nao answer the question a lot of couples ask: "When will we be done with therapy?" They discuss the link between close relationships and outside stressors, making the case for EFT as a protective factor for our overall health.

Oct 21, 2017 • 28min
Triggers & Core Struggles
In this episode, Deb and Nao talk about triggers and how they impact relationships, often making communication difficult. They link triggers--which are the symptom, to core struggles--which are the root of the negative cycle. Using role plays, they illustrate how core struggles fuel arguments, and how understanding them can help couples step out of the negative cycle and into connection.

Oct 2, 2017 • 57min
Why Do People Cheat?
In this episode, Deb and Nao welcome EFT trainer Jill Fischer, who answers the tough questions that betrayed partners most frequently ask after an affair. They then tackle the question of why people choose to engage in these kinds of breaches.