A Pastor and a Philosopher Walk into a Bar

Text us your questions!There's a little secret pretty much every pastor has that they can't share with their congregation. Well, actually, a number of secrets. We're not talking about dark and hidden sins (hopefully, at least). We're talking about things your pastor believes or thinks that they don't feel safe enough to share with your church. Pretty much all pastors have beliefs and opinions that they feel passionate about, but if they said them publicly, they'd worry about losing their jobs, or losing a major part of their church. So, they hold these beliefs and opinions in and pretend.We reached out to a bunch of Evangelical-ish pastors and asked them what they wish they could share with their congregations, but can't. In this episode, we share (anonymously) how these pastors responded. The responses are both fascinating and saddening. We need to do better.The bourbon we sampled is Smoke Wagon Uncut Unfiltered Bourbon by Nevada H&C Distilling Co.The beverage tasting is at 5:33. To skip to the main segment, go to 8:44.You can find the transcript for this episode here.Content note: this episode contains profanity.=====Want to support us?The best way is to subscribe to our Patreon. Annual memberships are available for a 10% discount.If you'd rather make a one-time donation, you can contribute through our PayPal. Other important info: Rate & review us on Apple & Spotify Follow us on social media at @PPWBPodcast Watch & comment on YouTube Email us at pastorandphilosopher@gmail.com Cheers!

Text us your questions!In the conclusion of our four-part series on LGBTQ people and the church, we speak with Drs. Dawne Moon, a sociologist, and Theresa Tobin, a philosopher, who research and write collaboratively about the experiences of LGBTQ Christians in non-affirming church spaces. This conversation is frank, profound, heartbreaking, and, somehow, funny. We discuss their concept of "sacramental shame" and how it's used against LGBTQ people, what binary gender has to do with sexuality, the origin of gender complementarianism, whether it makes sense to be egalitarian but non-affirming, the importance of relationship for identifying love, how love and pride are related, and more.You can find some of Dawne and Theresa's work together at these links:Relationship, Humility, JusticeAlpha, Omega, and the Letters in Between: LGBTQI Conservative Christians Undoing GenderSunsets and Solidarity: Overcoming Sacramental Shame in Conservative Christian Churches to Forge a Queer Vision of Love and JusticeThe Politics of Shame in the Motivation to Virtue: Lessons from the Shame, Pride, and Humility Experiences of LGBT Conservative Christians and Their AlliesThe whiskey we tasted in this episode is Oppidan Four Grain Straight Bourbon.The beverage tasting is at 1:27. To skip to the interview, go to 4:42.You can find the transcript for this episode here.Content note: this episode contains discussion of clergy sexual abuse and spiritual violence.=====Want to support us?The best way is to subscribe to our Patreon. Annual memberships are available for a 10% discount.If you'd rather make a one-time donation, you can contribute through our PayPal. Other important info: Rate & review us on Apple & Spotify Follow us on social media at @PPWBPodcast Watch & comment on YouTube Email us at pastorandphilosopher@gmail.com Cheers!

Text us your questions!We return for part two of our interview with Bridget Eileen Rivera, the author of Heavy Burdens: Seven Ways LGBTQ Christians Experience Harm in the Church. In the conclusion, we discuss the common claim that the Bible is "clear" when it comes to LGBTQ issues, when (and why) the word "homosexual" was added to the Bible, what the Greek actually does and doesn't say, how sex was understood in the Roman world, trans issues and where the idea of binary gender categories comes from, whether Christians who reject their LGBTQ friends and family are bad people, and what pastors can practically do to implement change in their churches. As good as we think this content is, the book is packed with more than we could get to, so do yourself a favor and buy it.The bourbon we taste in this episode is the Fusion Series from Bardstown Bourbon Company.The beverage tasting is at 1:45. To skip to the interview, go to 4:31.You can find the transcript for this episode here.Content note: this episode contains discussion of rape and some mild profanity.=====Want to support us?The best way is to subscribe to our Patreon. Annual memberships are available for a 10% discount.If you'd rather make a one-time donation, you can contribute through our PayPal. Other important info: Rate & review us on Apple & Spotify Follow us on social media at @PPWBPodcast Watch & comment on YouTube Email us at pastorandphilosopher@gmail.com Cheers!

Text us your questions!Bridget Eileen Rivera wrote one of the most important books we've read. Period.The book is Heavy Burdens: Seven Ways LGBTQ Christians Experience Harm in the Church, and it's a doozy. We had so much important stuff to talk about that we made this episode a two parter. We chat about the awful stories of trauma and abuse that Queer Christians experience on a regular basis in the church, how the Protestant Reformation changed everything about the way the church saw sex, and the many double standards the church embraces towards all things LGBTQ related.We tasted a spectacular Irish Whiskey called Blue Spot by Spot Whiskeys.The beverage tasting is at 2:45. To skip to the interview, go to 6:41.You can find the transcript for this episode here.Content note: this episode contains discussion of suicide, abuse, and sex.=====Want to support us?The best way is to subscribe to our Patreon. Annual memberships are available for a 10% discount.If you'd rather make a one-time donation, you can contribute through our PayPal. Other important info: Rate & review us on Apple & Spotify Follow us on social media at @PPWBPodcast Watch & comment on YouTube Email us at pastorandphilosopher@gmail.com Cheers!

Text us your questions!Finally, we talk about sexuality, the queer community, and why we're affirming. This is a very personal episode (as much as it can be for a couple of straight white dudes). In this episode, we chat about where we came from, where we are now, and how we got there. Within that conversation, we touch on the Bible, philosophy, science, reason, the beauty in the LGBTQ community, and much more. This episode begins a four episode mini-series on human sexuality and LGBTQ issues.The beer we tasted in this episode is Abraxas by Perennial Artisan Ales.The beverage tasting is at 4:42. To skip to the main segment, go to 9:02.You can find the transcript for this episode here.Content note: this episode contains some mild profanity and discussion of suicide and abuse.=====Want to support us?The best way is to subscribe to our Patreon. Annual memberships are available for a 10% discount.If you'd rather make a one-time donation, you can contribute through our PayPal. Other important info: Rate & review us on Apple & Spotify Follow us on social media at @PPWBPodcast Watch & comment on YouTube Email us at pastorandphilosopher@gmail.com Cheers!

Text us your questions!This one's fun. Thi Nguyen is a philosopher from the University of Utah and studies epistemology and philosophy of art, community, and games. He also used to be a food critic and enjoys great whiskey. A man after our own hearts.In this episode, we talk about things like the seduction of clarity, moral outrage porn, epistemic bubbles, echo chambers, expertise, and our gamified world. Seriously fascinating stuff. You can find Thi's work at his website: https://objectionable.net/. His recent book, Games: Agency As Art, won the 2021 APA Book Prize.In our tasting, we enjoyed the limited release Cabin Strength Bourbon from Central Standard Distillery available exclusively at Story Hill BKC in Milwaukee.The beverage tasting is at 1:37. To skip to the main segment, go to 5:23.You can find the transcript for this episode here.Content note: this episode contains profanity.=====Want to support us?The best way is to subscribe to our Patreon. Annual memberships are available for a 10% discount.If you'd rather make a one-time donation, you can contribute through our PayPal. Other important info: Rate & review us on Apple & Spotify Follow us on social media at @PPWBPodcast Watch & comment on YouTube Email us at pastorandphilosopher@gmail.com Cheers!

Text us your questions!Buckle up for this one, friends, because Dominique DuBois Gilliard brings straight fire. Dominique's book is, "Subversive Witness: Scripture's Call to Leverage Privilege", and it's a good one. In this episode, we talk about using privilege on behalf of the marginalized, giving power away, what it's like to be Black in America (and in the Church in America) and many more topics. Make sure to share this on the socials...everyone needs to sit in this with us.The podcast with Willie Jennings that Dominique recommends in the episode is "My Anger, God's Righteous Indignation."The beer we tasted in this episode is Evil Julius from Treehouse Brewing Company. It's delightful.The beverage tasting is at 0:56. To skip to the main segment, go to 5:24.You can find the transcript for this episode here.Content Note: This episode contains discussion or mention of racialized violence and intimidation, rape, and profanity.=====Want to support us?The best way is to subscribe to our Patreon. Annual memberships are available for a 10% discount.If you'd rather make a one-time donation, you can contribute through our PayPal. Other important info: Rate & review us on Apple & Spotify Follow us on social media at @PPWBPodcast Watch & comment on YouTube Email us at pastorandphilosopher@gmail.com Cheers!

Text us your questions!For New Year's, we're revisiting an episode from early in Season 1. We spoke with professional counselor and former pastor Jenny Heckman (MS, LPC, NCC) about dealing with anxiety and staying mentally healthy during the pandemic. We think her insights here are important and every bit as relevant as they were last year.We'll be back on our regular schedule with new content on January 12.The beer featured in this episode is Strawberry Rhubarb Wild Fruit Ale by New Glarus Brewing Company.The beverage tasting is at 1:52. To skip to the main segment, go to 5:00.You can find the transcript for this episode here.=====Want to support us?The best way is to subscribe to our Patreon. Annual memberships are available for a 10% discount.If you'd rather make a one-time donation, you can contribute through our PayPal. Other important info: Rate & review us on Apple & Spotify Follow us on social media at @PPWBPodcast Watch & comment on YouTube Email us at pastorandphilosopher@gmail.com Cheers!

Text us your questions!Shane Claiborne...what a gem. Shane has written a number of incredible books including The Irresistible Revolution and Jesus for President, and we got the opportunity to chat with him about a whole bunch of things. The cult (and possible heresy) of Christian nationalism, trying to embody the Sermon on the Mount as an American, the death penalty, and a number of other things. Shane is a delight and has such a knack for centering every topic of every conversation back to Jesus. The beer we drank on this episode was Bell's Brewery Imperial Rye Barrel Aged Ale supplied by the wonderful people at Story Hill BKC.The beverage tasting is at 0:42. To skip to the main segment, go to 4:39.You can find the transcript for this episode here.=====Want to support us?The best way is to subscribe to our Patreon. Annual memberships are available for a 10% discount.If you'd rather make a one-time donation, you can contribute through our PayPal. Other important info: Rate & review us on Apple & Spotify Follow us on social media at @PPWBPodcast Watch & comment on YouTube Email us at pastorandphilosopher@gmail.com Cheers!

Text us your questions!Where does real theology and spirituality happen? Should we continue looking to the academy and pulpits or might we find a more embodied and lived theology and spirituality in the kitchens and homes of marginalized women? Kat Armas calls us and our theology to the marginalized and colonized women in her book Abuelita Faith. It's a powerful book that is delightfully decentering and challenges our theology and spirituality that has been formed by people in power. She draws us to the forgotten and overlooked people in the Bible, letting them teach us and form our faith. The whiskey we tasted in this episode is Whistle Pig's 10 Year Rye Whiskey.The beverage tasting is at 2:40. To skip to the main segment, go to 6:30.You can find the transcript for this episode here.Content note: this episode contains some mild profanity.=====Want to support us?The best way is to subscribe to our Patreon. Annual memberships are available for a 10% discount.If you'd rather make a one-time donation, you can contribute through our PayPal. Other important info: Rate & review us on Apple & Spotify Follow us on social media at @PPWBPodcast Watch & comment on YouTube Email us at pastorandphilosopher@gmail.com Cheers!