
A Pastor and a Philosopher Walk into a Bar
Mixing a cocktail of philosophy, theology, and spirituality. We're a pastor and a philosopher who have discovered that sometimes pastors need philosophy, and sometimes philosophers need pastors. We tackle topics and interview guests that straddle the divide between our interests. Who we are: Randy Knie (Co-Host) - Randy is the founding and Lead Pastor of Brew City Church in Milwaukee, WI. Randy loves his family, the Church, cooking, and the sound of his own voice. He drinks boring pilsners. Kyle Whitaker (Co-Host) - Kyle is a philosophy PhD and an expert in disagreement and philosophy of religion. Kyle loves his wife, sarcasm, kindness, and making fun of pop psychology. He drinks childish slushy beers. Elliot Lund (Producer) - Elliot is a recovering fundamentalist. His favorite people are his wife and three boys, and his favorite things are computers and hamburgers. Elliot loves mixing with a variety of ingredients, including rye, compression, EQ, and bitters.
Latest episodes

Dec 30, 2020 • 1h 17min
Revelation, America, and Bob Dylan: Interview with Brian Zahnd
Text us your questions!In this episode, we chat with Brian Zahnd about his journey from a militaristic, warmongering brand of Christianity to a more peace-loving, Jesus-centered way. Along the way, we touch on everything from his take on the current state of the American church, the Christian's role in the state, the book of Revelation, his favorite philosophers, Christian ethics, the Bible, and Bob Dylan.The whiskey featured in this episode is a special store pick single barrel select edition of Buffalo Trace bourbon from our friends at Story Hill BKC. The scotch Brian mentions is Ardbeg Corryvreckan. AUDIO NOTE: Brian's and Kyle's audio are not quite up to our usual smooth production standard in this episode, because some recording equipment was lost in the mail. Thanks USPS!=====Want to support us?The best way is to subscribe to our Patreon. Annual memberships are available for a 10% discount.If you'd rather make a one-time donation, you can contribute through our PayPal. Other important info: Rate & review us on Apple & Spotify Follow us on social media at @PPWBPodcast Watch & comment on YouTube Email us at pastorandphilosopher@gmail.com Cheers!

Dec 16, 2020 • 1h 4min
Evolving Creationism
Text us your questions!Did humans come from monkeys? How old is the earth? Should we interpret the Bible literally? Does any of it matter? In this episode, we discuss creationism and evolution, a recurring topic at Randy and Kyle's church Q&A's.The whiskey featured in this episode is Driftless Glen bourbon.If you're local to Milwaukee, check out our friends at Story Hill BKC.The books and resources for further reading that we recommend at the end of the episode are:The Greatest Show on Earth - Richard DawkinsThe Evolution of Adam - Peter EnnsBiologos.orgThe Lost World of Genesis One - John WaltonThe Lost World of Adam and Eve - John Walton=====Want to support us?The best way is to subscribe to our Patreon. Annual memberships are available for a 10% discount.If you'd rather make a one-time donation, you can contribute through our PayPal. Other important info: Rate & review us on Apple & Spotify Follow us on social media at @PPWBPodcast Watch & comment on YouTube Email us at pastorandphilosopher@gmail.com Cheers!

Dec 2, 2020 • 1h 17min
William Paul Young & Brad Jersak: Judgment, Wrath, Hell, and the God Who Is Love
Text us your questions!CONTENT NOTE: This episode contains references to trauma, abuse, suicide, and mental illness. Not recommended for children.On this episode, we're joined by William Paul Young (author of The Shack and Eve) and Brad Jersak (author of A More Christlike God and Her Gates Will Never Be Shut). We discuss their new co-authored novella, The Pastor: A Crisis, a raw story of a fundamentalist pastor undergoing the judgment of God. But our conversation is much more wide-ranging than just the book. We discuss what it means to say that God is love, the nature of forgiveness, the metaphor of Hell, and more.The whiskey featured in this episode is Basil Hayden's Dark Rye. Thanks to Story Hill BKC!=====Want to support us?The best way is to subscribe to our Patreon. Annual memberships are available for a 10% discount.If you'd rather make a one-time donation, you can contribute through our PayPal. Other important info: Rate & review us on Apple & Spotify Follow us on social media at @PPWBPodcast Watch & comment on YouTube Email us at pastorandphilosopher@gmail.com Cheers!

Nov 18, 2020 • 1h 19min
Cheap Whiskey and the Atonement
Text us your questions!How does Jesus's death work? In this episode, Randy, Kyle, and Elliot discuss atonement, the theological issue of how Jesus saves humans. It's a deep dive, and a bit nerdy, but we think it's important.The whiskey featured in this episode is Bulleit Rye.Content note: this episode contains some mild profanity (in the closing bloopers).=====Want to support us?The best way is to subscribe to our Patreon. Annual memberships are available for a 10% discount.If you'd rather make a one-time donation, you can contribute through our PayPal. Other important info: Rate & review us on Apple & Spotify Follow us on social media at @PPWBPodcast Watch & comment on YouTube Email us at pastorandphilosopher@gmail.com Cheers!

Nov 4, 2020 • 1h 4min
Prayer, Activism, and Racial Justice: Interview with Lisa Koons
Text us your questions!In this episode we talk with Lisa Koons, who is the national director of 24-7 Prayer USA. Our conversation covers the role of prayer in social justice, why more American Christians aren't focused on racial justice, how anger fits into the Christian response to injustice, and more. Lisa has a powerful, healing presence, and we encourage you to meditate on her words here.The beer featured in this episode is La Ruche (Blend #3) by Side Project Brewing.If you're local to Milwaukee, check out our friends at Story Hill BKC.The artwork for this episode is "Finger of Steel" by Mathieu Cesar. The video mentioned is "How Can We Win" by Kimberly Jones (contains explicit language).=====Want to support us?The best way is to subscribe to our Patreon. Annual memberships are available for a 10% discount.If you'd rather make a one-time donation, you can contribute through our PayPal. Other important info: Rate & review us on Apple & Spotify Follow us on social media at @PPWBPodcast Watch & comment on YouTube Email us at pastorandphilosopher@gmail.com Cheers!

Oct 21, 2020 • 1h 15min
Evangelicalism. Ugh.
Text us your questions!In this episode we tackle the good, the bad, and the ugly of American evangelicalism. This conversation represents the culmination of something Kyle and Randy have been discussing for a while, and something that comes up a lot when they do live church Q&A's. Is "evangelicalism" salvageable? Listen to find out.The bourbon featured in this episode is Willett Pot Still Reserve.If you're local to Milwaukee, check out our friends at Story Hill BKC.Content note: this episode contains some mild profanity.=====Want to support us?The best way is to subscribe to our Patreon. Annual memberships are available for a 10% discount.If you'd rather make a one-time donation, you can contribute through our PayPal. Other important info: Rate & review us on Apple & Spotify Follow us on social media at @PPWBPodcast Watch & comment on YouTube Email us at pastorandphilosopher@gmail.com Cheers!

Oct 7, 2020 • 33min
How to Survive Thanksgiving Dinner: Interview with Dr. Jim Vining
Text us your questions!In this episode we talk with Jim Vining, a professor of communication and rhetoric, about the state of our current political and religious discourse in the United States.The bourbon featured in this episode is Maker's Mark Cask Strength.=====Want to support us?The best way is to subscribe to our Patreon. Annual memberships are available for a 10% discount.If you'd rather make a one-time donation, you can contribute through our PayPal. Other important info: Rate & review us on Apple & Spotify Follow us on social media at @PPWBPodcast Watch & comment on YouTube Email us at pastorandphilosopher@gmail.com Cheers!

Sep 23, 2020 • 1h 14min
Proud to Be an American?
Text us your questions!In this episode Randy, Kyle, and Elliot tackle the thorny issues of patriotism, nationalism, and their relationship to the American Christian church. They don't pull any punches.The bourbon featured in this episode is Stagg Jr. by Buffalo Trace Distillery.Content note: this episode contains some mild profanity (in the context of quoting the President of the United States).=====Want to support us?The best way is to subscribe to our Patreon. Annual memberships are available for a 10% discount.If you'd rather make a one-time donation, you can contribute through our PayPal. Other important info: Rate & review us on Apple & Spotify Follow us on social media at @PPWBPodcast Watch & comment on YouTube Email us at pastorandphilosopher@gmail.com Cheers!

Sep 9, 2020 • 59min
Love and Truth: Interview with Jared Byas
Text us your questions!In this episode, we interview Jared Byas, author and co-host of the hit podcast The Bible for Normal People. We discuss his new book Love Matters More, available now wherever books are sold. It's a lively discussion about love and truth, and how those concepts are often abused by religious people under the guise of "telling the truth in love."The beer featured in this episode is from Central Waters Brewing Company.Content note: this episode contains some mild profanity.=====Want to support us?The best way is to subscribe to our Patreon. Annual memberships are available for a 10% discount.If you'd rather make a one-time donation, you can contribute through our PayPal. Other important info: Rate & review us on Apple & Spotify Follow us on social media at @PPWBPodcast Watch & comment on YouTube Email us at pastorandphilosopher@gmail.com Cheers!

Aug 27, 2020 • 1h 10min
How To Disagree
Text us your questions!In this episode Randy and Kyle discuss disagreement, a current topic if there ever was one. Kyle did his PhD dissertation on the epistemology of disagreement, and this conversation explores what it is, some common pitfalls, how to do it better, and what it looks like for Christians in particular. For more of Kyle's thoughts on this, see here.The beer featured in this episode is King Sue by Toppling Goliath Brewing Company.=====Want to support us?The best way is to subscribe to our Patreon. Annual memberships are available for a 10% discount.If you'd rather make a one-time donation, you can contribute through our PayPal. Other important info: Rate & review us on Apple & Spotify Follow us on social media at @PPWBPodcast Watch & comment on YouTube Email us at pastorandphilosopher@gmail.com Cheers!