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theSkimm
The work advice you need, from women who’ve been there. Every week, join the co-founders and co-CEOs of theSkimm, Carly Zakin and Danielle Weisberg, as they help you get what you want out of your career by talking to the smartest leaders they know.
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May 21, 2025 • 33min
Dawn Staley on Why the Journey Matters More than the Win
Dawn Staley helped Team USA’s women’s basketball team win gold at the ‘96 Olympics. It was the highlight of her career. Yet she fell into a depression that was so bad, she didn’t even want to look at a basketball. Nothing prepared her to process reaching such a milestone. She was left asking herself: now what? With a resumé is full of career-highs (hi, 3x national champ), Dawn says the real reward isn’t the trophy – it’s all the work it took to get there. Dawn gets into it all in her new memoir, "Uncommon Favor."
In this episode of 9 to 5ish, Dawn also shares:
How many shoes she has in her collection (sneakerheads beware)
Why she aspired to play in the NBA – instead of the WNBA – growing up
How the taboo nature of mental health stopped her from asking for help post-Olympics
Why she was insulted when approached for a coaching job
The one thing she wants to see change for women athletes this year
PS: Dawn’s memoir is out now.
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May 14, 2025 • 37min
Ghia Founder Melanie Masarin on Pitching the Risky Move
Melanie Masarin once pitched Glossier’s founder to do a pop-up at a former fried chicken shop. Her response? “I don’t get it, but I trust you.” It was a career-defining moment for her. Because getting approval from the founder meant she couldn’t afford to mess it up. Listen as Melanie shares why being given major responsibilities in her mid-twenties shaped her career. Plus, how it prepared her to start Ghia, the non-alcoholic apéritif that’s now a millennial bar-cart staple.
In this episode of 9 to 5ish, Melanie also shares:
Her food-centered core memories growing up in the French Riviera
The money-shock she experienced attending Brown University
The once-in-a-lifetime chance she had to design the Glossier flagship store
Her journey shifting from founder-to-CEO mode, and the difficulties that come with it
How pivoting Ghia’s launch strategy actually paid off
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May 7, 2025 • 21min
Alice Waters on Why Profit Was Never the Point
Alice Waters never cared about making money. After more than 50 years in business, she still doesn’t. She opened her restaurant, Chez Panisse, with money that friends and family lent her. They had no expectations of ever seeing it again. It’s no surprise, given she’s sparked a slow food revolution where consuming food slowly and resisting the industrial food system is the name of the game. Some call her the “mother of the farm-to-table movement”. Alice says: it’s just the way things ought to be.
In this episode of 9 to 5ish, Alice shares:
The visit to a certain European country that changed the trajectory of her life
How disrupting the traditional hierarchy of kitchens kept Chez Panisse alive
Why she doesn’t care about money – and when she maybe should’ve
The last thing her mom said to her, and how having supportive parents shaped her career
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Apr 30, 2025 • 39min
Thrive Causemetics Founder Karissa Bodnar on Why You Need Real Friends as a Leader
Karissa Bodnar once got advice from a peer – she needed real friends, not just “deal” friends. It wasn’t a dig. Entrepreneurship is lonely. And if Karissa was going to make it as a founder, she’d need friends who cared about her and not the number of zeros in her bank account. Karissa sits down with us to share how she found those kinds of friends, the time she got ghosted out of a big investment, and what she really thinks about those beauty influencer trips.
In this episode of 9 to 5ish, Karissa also shares:
Why she affectionately refers to herself a “dirt road diva”
How growing up in a small Washington town shaped her entrepreneurship
How the passing of her friend, Kristy, inspired her to start Thrive Causemetics
The lesson she learned from being ghosted by a potential investor
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Apr 23, 2025 • 34min
Top Chef Host Kristen Kish on the Recipe for a Great Mentor
Kristen Kish didn’t grow up dreaming of becoming the first woman of color to win Top Chef—or of one day hosting the show. She grew up in the Midwest as a Korean adoptee and those wins hadn’t crossed her radar. But with a little luck—and a lot of support—she got there. Listen as Kristen shares how one mentor changed everything by challenging her to think beyond day-to-day dinner service and chase a career she never thought was possible.In this episode of 9 to 5ish, Kristen shares:
Who’s cooking she loves the most (chefs, they’re just like us)
The one woman who helped Kristen unlock her potential
What changed when she went from being a relatively broke chef to winning Top Chef
How she confronted her ego when writing her memoir, Accidentally On Purpose
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Apr 16, 2025 • 25min
Geri Halliwell-Horner on the Legacy of (Spice) Girl Power
Geri Halliwell-Horner, aka Ginger Spice, practically invented girl power and forever holds a special place in our millennial hearts. In her twenties, she answered a magazine ad and ended up making pop history with the Spice Girls. In her thirties, she felt the pressures of “time lines” and adult-life creeping in. Welcome to the club. Listen as Geri shares how girl power carried her through her post-Spice Girls career.In this episode of 9 to 5ish, Geri shares:
The DIY skills she used to create her iconic Union Jack dress
How she fought through insecurity during her time in the Spice Girls
How embracing her inner wisdom has guided her through her career
One thing she does to stay curious and challenge herself
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Apr 9, 2025 • 33min
Tinx on Returning to Her IRL Self, Christina
Tinx never set out to be known as “TikTok’s older sister.” But five years of real talk on taboo topics – dating in your 30s, botox, and having zero clue what to do in life – makes a name like that stick. Social media and influencing has gotten crowded since Tinx started posting on TikTok during COVID, and she admits she’s been rethinking her relationship to the internet and her business. Tinx shares how she's finding ways to build her career offline, thanks in part to her debut novel, Hotter in the Hamptons. In this episode of 9 to 5ish, Tinx shares:
The difference between Tinx and Christina (yes, that’s her real name)
A boundary she has with the internet (that we could all use)
Why she only started feeling secure in her business this year
The main reason why not all influencers can sustain their career longterm
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Apr 2, 2025 • 38min
Frank & Eileen Founder Audrey McLoghlin on Fostering Resilience in Your Career
Audrey McLoghlin’s peer once compared her to a cockroach that could withstand nuclear warfare. Weird compliment? Maybe. But Audrey says she was touched. She grew up with an alcoholic father and learned early to rely on herself, not a partner, to make ends meet. As a serial entrepreneur in fashion, she’s built her businesses through some of the toughest economic times—think: the Great Recession and COVID-19—proving resilience is her superpower.In this episode of 9 to 5ish, Audrey shares:
Why “stranger danger” seemingly doesn’t exist in Ireland
How she went from engineering to entrepreneurship in her early 20s
The biggest thing she learned going through personal bankruptcy
Why she thinks entrepreneurs owning 100% of their company isn’t a one-size-fits-all approach
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Mar 26, 2025 • 39min
Emily Oster on Turning Rejection into Redirection
Before Emily Oster became a go-to parenting expert, she was an econ professor waiting on a tenure decision at the University of Chicago. While waiting, she published Expecting Better, a book that moms-to-be consider to be a parenting Bible. She got rejected for tenure, then spent over a decade believing the book was a “professional mistake”. Parents everywhere beg to differ. Listen as Emily shares how she moved past the disappointment – and why it actually turned out to be the best thing for her career. In this episode of 9 to 5ish, Emily shares:
Her weekly mileage as a marathoner (our legs are shaking)
Why she refers to herself as a “vagina economist”
How her kids react when she tells them she’s a “parenting expert”
Why she doesn’t shy away from disagreements around her research
Who’ll benefit most from ParentData’s newest vertical
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Mar 19, 2025 • 31min
CNN’s Erin Burnett on Actually Using Your Transferable Skills
Erin Burnett flirted with the idea of becoming a CIA agent one day, drawn to the undercover thrills. Instead, she crunched numbers at Goldman Sachs as a financial analyst, then pivoted to be a broadcast journalist. While she never became a secret spy or ran a Wall Street empire, she didn’t let her interests or skills collect dust. Listen as Erin shares how she fused her business knowledge with her world news obsession to land her daily primetime show, OutFront with Erin Burnett. In this episode of 9 to 5ish, Erin shares:
The irony of becoming a TV news anchor despite growing up without cable
How she got the chutzpah to send a cold email asking to meet a CNN host
Her transition from economic to foreign affairs news, and how the former helped inform her new beat
Why she doesn’t regret taking 20 minutes out of her work day to show up for her kids
Her relatable answer to how much she’s able to prioritize her mental health
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