
9 to 5ish with theSkimm
The work advice you need, from women who’ve been there. Every week, join the co-founders and co-CEOs of theSkimm, Carly Zakin and Danielle Weisberg, as they help you get what you want out of your career by talking to the smartest leaders they know.
Latest episodes

Jul 16, 2025 • 34min
Rebroadcast: Thasunda Brown Duckett on Living Your Life Like a Diversified Portfolio
Thasunda Brown Duckett, the President and CEO of TIAA, had a “meteoric rise” in the world of finance. As the former head of Chase Consumer Banking, and now as one two Black women who currently leads a Fortune 500 company, she realized early on that “work life balance” was a myth. Instead, Thasunda lives her life like it’s a diversified portfolio, allocating time and shifting her investment in different areas. So over time, she always outperforms. Tune in to learn how.
In this episode, Thasunda shares:
How to live your life like “a diversified portfolio”
Her secret to building relationships at work
What it means to “rent your title, own your character” at work
Why she almost turned down her dream role
What you need to know to prep for retirement
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Jul 9, 2025 • 31min
Argent Founder Sali Christeson on Reimagining the 9 to 5 Uniform
Sali Christeson actively suppressed her idea for Argent for years. She was killing it at her job at Cisco – she didn’t have time to start her own company. But after spending over a decade in male-dominated companies, where business casual was a non-negotiable, Sali realized that most women’s workwear just…wasn’t working. Sali tells the story of how she went from wearing pocketless pants to building Argent, a brand that actually works for the lives women lead.
In this episode of 9 to 5ish, Sali also shares:
How she set boundaries as an employee at Cisco – and how she implements those learnings as a founder
Why getting good at networking landed her investors and opportunities
How she teaches female founders to reclaim their power instead of give it away
Advice on how to advocate for yourself to be included in conversations
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Jul 2, 2025 • 38min
CNN’s Abby Phillip on Breaking Through Burnout
After every election she’s covered, Abby Phillip has the same thought: I can’t do this anymore. It’s her mind waving a red flag – and a sign of burnout after months of chaos. Over the years, Abby’s had to navigate a fast-moving digital media world at the same time as some of the most divisive political chapters in our lives. Now, she’s sharing how she’s learned to push through – and the secret that helps her stay grounded in the madness.
In this episode of 9 to 5ish, Abby also shares:
How being a first-generation American influenced her career choice
Why she needed to fail at Harvard before considering journalism
How she made the most of an uncertain path at the then emerging outlet, Politico
The way she reframed getting continuously rejected from outlets
How she *really* felt about consequential coverage after the 2020 debates
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Jun 25, 2025 • 31min
Cathy Engelbert on Asking for (and Getting) What You Want at Work
When Cathy Engelbert found out she was pregnant, she resigned from a decades-long climb to becoming a partner at Deloitte. In her mind, being a good mom and a good exec couldn’t coexist. But one male colleague saw her potential — and told her so. That changed everything. Cathy stayed, asked for the flexibility she needed, and learned to advocate for herself. She went on to become Deloitte’s first female CEO. Now? She’s leading one of the fastest-growing sports leagues as WNBA Commissioner.
In this episode of 9 to 5ish, Cathy also shares:
How sports turned her from a shy kid to a bold leader
Why the environments of Deloitte and the WNBA actually aren’t that different
Her first 9-1-1 call as league commissioner – and the one trait that helped her get through it
Why implementing Deloitte’s paid family leave policy was the “most courageous thing” she’s ever done
One way she thinks the WNBA can be a model for the men’s leagues
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May 21, 2025 • 33min
Dawn Staley on Why the Journey Matters More than the Win
Dawn Staley helped Team USA’s women’s basketball team win gold at the ‘96 Olympics. It was the highlight of her career. Yet she fell into a depression that was so bad, she didn’t even want to look at a basketball. Nothing prepared her to process reaching such a milestone. She was left asking herself: now what? With a resumé is full of career-highs (hi, 3x national champ), Dawn says the real reward isn’t the trophy – it’s all the work it took to get there. Dawn gets into it all in her new memoir, "Uncommon Favor."
In this episode of 9 to 5ish, Dawn also shares:
How many shoes she has in her collection (sneakerheads beware)
Why she aspired to play in the NBA – instead of the WNBA – growing up
How the taboo nature of mental health stopped her from asking for help post-Olympics
Why she was insulted when approached for a coaching job
The one thing she wants to see change for women athletes this year
PS: Dawn’s memoir is out now.
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May 14, 2025 • 37min
Ghia Founder Melanie Masarin on Pitching the Risky Move
Melanie Masarin once pitched Glossier’s founder to do a pop-up at a former fried chicken shop. Her response? “I don’t get it, but I trust you.” It was a career-defining moment for her. Because getting approval from the founder meant she couldn’t afford to mess it up. Listen as Melanie shares why being given major responsibilities in her mid-twenties shaped her career. Plus, how it prepared her to start Ghia, the non-alcoholic apéritif that’s now a millennial bar-cart staple.
In this episode of 9 to 5ish, Melanie also shares:
Her food-centered core memories growing up in the French Riviera
The money-shock she experienced attending Brown University
The once-in-a-lifetime chance she had to design the Glossier flagship store
Her journey shifting from founder-to-CEO mode, and the difficulties that come with it
How pivoting Ghia’s launch strategy actually paid off
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May 7, 2025 • 21min
Alice Waters on Why Profit Was Never the Point
Alice Waters never cared about making money. After more than 50 years in business, she still doesn’t. She opened her restaurant, Chez Panisse, with money that friends and family lent her. They had no expectations of ever seeing it again. It’s no surprise, given she’s sparked a slow food revolution where consuming food slowly and resisting the industrial food system is the name of the game. Some call her the “mother of the farm-to-table movement”. Alice says: it’s just the way things ought to be.
In this episode of 9 to 5ish, Alice shares:
The visit to a certain European country that changed the trajectory of her life
How disrupting the traditional hierarchy of kitchens kept Chez Panisse alive
Why she doesn’t care about money – and when she maybe should’ve
The last thing her mom said to her, and how having supportive parents shaped her career
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Apr 30, 2025 • 39min
Thrive Causemetics Founder Karissa Bodnar on Why You Need Real Friends as a Leader
Karissa Bodnar once got advice from a peer – she needed real friends, not just “deal” friends. It wasn’t a dig. Entrepreneurship is lonely. And if Karissa was going to make it as a founder, she’d need friends who cared about her and not the number of zeros in her bank account. Karissa sits down with us to share how she found those kinds of friends, the time she got ghosted out of a big investment, and what she really thinks about those beauty influencer trips.
In this episode of 9 to 5ish, Karissa also shares:
Why she affectionately refers to herself a “dirt road diva”
How growing up in a small Washington town shaped her entrepreneurship
How the passing of her friend, Kristy, inspired her to start Thrive Causemetics
The lesson she learned from being ghosted by a potential investor
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Apr 23, 2025 • 34min
Top Chef Host Kristen Kish on the Recipe for a Great Mentor
Kristen Kish didn’t grow up dreaming of becoming the first woman of color to win Top Chef—or of one day hosting the show. She grew up in the Midwest as a Korean adoptee and those wins hadn’t crossed her radar. But with a little luck—and a lot of support—she got there. Listen as Kristen shares how one mentor changed everything by challenging her to think beyond day-to-day dinner service and chase a career she never thought was possible.In this episode of 9 to 5ish, Kristen shares:
Who’s cooking she loves the most (chefs, they’re just like us)
The one woman who helped Kristen unlock her potential
What changed when she went from being a relatively broke chef to winning Top Chef
How she confronted her ego when writing her memoir, Accidentally On Purpose
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Apr 16, 2025 • 25min
Geri Halliwell-Horner on the Legacy of (Spice) Girl Power
Geri Halliwell-Horner, aka Ginger Spice, practically invented girl power and forever holds a special place in our millennial hearts. In her twenties, she answered a magazine ad and ended up making pop history with the Spice Girls. In her thirties, she felt the pressures of “time lines” and adult-life creeping in. Welcome to the club. Listen as Geri shares how girl power carried her through her post-Spice Girls career.In this episode of 9 to 5ish, Geri shares:
The DIY skills she used to create her iconic Union Jack dress
How she fought through insecurity during her time in the Spice Girls
How embracing her inner wisdom has guided her through her career
One thing she does to stay curious and challenge herself
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