We Want Them Infected Podcast

In this discussion, Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss the early responses to the COVID-19 pandemic and the role of Dr. John E. Loannidis, a renowned scientist. They examine his initial underestimation of the virus's impact, the flaws in his predictions, and his shifting perspectives over time. Resources Mentioned: Dr. John E. Ioannidis' early writings on COVID-19 Stat News article "A Fiasco in the Making: As the Coronavirus Pandemic Takes Hold, We Are Making Decisions Without Reliable Data" (March 17, 2020) European Journal of Clinical Investigation article "Coronavirus Disease 2019: The Harms of Exaggerated Information and Non-Evidence-Based Measures" (March 19, 2020) Stephanie Seneff's critique of the Santa Clara antibody study Statistician Andrew Gelman's analysis of the study Looking for something specific? Here you go! 0:00 - Introduction to the podcast episode discussing early pandemic responses and hosts Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent. 3:10 - Discussion about Dr. John E. Loannidis and his role in questioning COVID-19 data and his contributions to evidence-based medicine. 3:52 - Dr. Loannidis' reputation as an expert in scientific methodology and evidence-based research, along with his early recognition of Elizabeth Holmes as a fraud. 12:24 - Reference to early pandemic concerns in Italy and New York and Dr. Loannidis' initial prediction of COVID-19's impact. 12:45 - Confirmation of the severity of the situation in Italy and New York during the early pandemic and Dr. Ioannidis' early prediction of 40,000 deaths in the USA. 16:05 - Analysis of Dr. Loannidis' prediction of 40,000 deaths and its accuracy, along with discussion of the Santa Clara antibody study and its criticism. 16:07 - Details about the Santa Clara antibody study, its implications, and criticism of its methodology and accuracy. 17:50 - Introduction to a discussion on a Fox News interview with Dr. Loannidis, his background, and credentials, as well as his early skepticism about COVID-19 data and revised assessment of fatality rates. Connect with us further on jonathanhowardmd.com The Fine Print: The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.

Dr. Jonathan Howard, a neurologist and psychiatrist, and Co-Host, Wendy Orent, discuss the emergence of the anti-vaccine movement, particularly focusing on doctors who have contributed to spreading vaccine skepticism. They examine the early stages of the COVID-19 pandemic, the influence of certain doctors, and the alarming mainstreaming of anti-vaccine rhetoric. About the authors: Dr. Jonathan Howard is a distinguished neurologist and psychiatrist based in New York City, practicing at NYU and Bellevue Hospital. His extensive background in neurology and psychiatry has made him a well-respected figure in the medical field. Dr. Howard has witnessed the profound impact of infectious diseases firsthand, especially during the challenging times of the COVID-19 pandemic. He brings his expertise and experience to the forefront in his work, podcast, and writing, shedding light on crucial issues related to infectious diseases and public health. Dr. Howard's dedication to accurate and evidence-based information has made him a trusted voice in the medical community, providing valuable insights into the challenges posed by pandemics and the importance of vaccination. Wendy Orent is an American anthropologist and science writer with a focus on pandemics, biological weapons, and the evolution of infectious diseases. She is a freelance science writer whose work has appeared in "The Washington Post", "Aeon", "Undark Magazine", "The Sciences", "The Los Angeles Times", "The New Republic", "Discover", and "The American Prospect". Looking for something specific? Here you go! 02:15 - Early Misinformation and COVID Minimization 07:30 - Rise of Conspiracy Theories 12:45 - The Formal Movement to Infect Young People 17:20 - The Influence of Pandemic Skeptics 23:10 - Impact on Vaccination Efforts 28:55 - The Fight Against Misinformation Connect with us further on jonathanhowardmd.com The fine print: The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.

We Want Them Infected is a conversation that will leave you questioning everything you thought you knew about medical experts and vaccine skepticism. Our podcast reveals the hidden side of the COVID-19 pandemic, where influential doctors played a troubling role in spreading misinformation and fear. We talk about why We Want Them Infected isn't just a book; it's a call to action. Subscribe to the show and learn how the anti-vaccine movement went mainstream, affecting public health and trust in science. Are you ready? About the authors: Dr. Jonathan Howard is a distinguished neurologist and psychiatrist based in New York City, practicing at NYU and Bellevue Hospital. His extensive background in neurology and psychiatry has made him a well-respected figure in the medical field. Dr. Howard has witnessed the profound impact of infectious diseases firsthand, especially during the challenging times of the COVID-19 pandemic. He brings his expertise and experience to the forefront in his work, podcast, and writing, shedding light on crucial issues related to infectious diseases and public health. Dr. Howard's dedication to accurate and evidence-based information has made him a trusted voice in the medical community, providing valuable insights into the challenges posed by pandemics and the importance of vaccination. Wendy Orent is an American anthropologist and science writer with a focus on pandemics, biological weapons, and the evolution of infectious diseases. She is a freelance science writer whose work has appeared in "The Washington Post", "Aeon", "Undark Magazine", "The Sciences", "The Los Angeles Times", "The New Republic", "Discover", and "The American Prospect". Connect with us further on jonathanhowardmd.com The fine print: The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.