
Product Driven
Building software products requires caring more about the product than it does the technology used to build the product. On this podcast, we discuss bringing a product driven mindset to every step of the product development process.
Latest episodes

May 8, 2025 • 26min
Great CTOs Think Like Product Managers with Mark Eagle
The Evolution of Technical Roles in Modern Startups 🚀In this illuminating conversation, Matt Watson engages with Mark Eagle, a veteran startup advisor and former CTO, to explore the transformative landscape of technical leadership in today's startup ecosystem. They delve into the critical misalignment between prestigious job titles and actual responsibilities, focusing on the evolving CTO role.Mark shares valuable insights on how product thinking is rapidly becoming the defining skill for technical leaders as AI revolutionizes software development practices. Together, they unpack why understanding customer needs, business objectives, and strategic decision-making fundamentally differentiates exceptional technical leaders from those who primarily focus on coding.🔗 Essential Links (Start Here!):Full Episodes: https://product-driven.captivate.fm/episodesConnect with Matt Watson on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattwatsonkc/Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://fullscaleteam.com/newsletterGet our FREE Ebook: https://fullscaleteam.com/productfirstteamsPowered by Full Scale: https://fullscale.io/GET THE PRODUCT DRIVEN BOOK: https://productdriven.com/book🔗 Connect with Mark Eagle:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markeagle/Key Discussion Points:🏗️ The fundamental misalignment between CTO titles and actual responsibilities in early-stage startups💡 Why the combination of product thinking and technical architecture creates successful technical leaders🔄 How AI and modern development tools are shifting bottlenecks from engineering to product decision-making👂 The undervalued importance of listening skills for both engineers and sales professionals🌉 Practical strategies for connecting engineers directly with customers to improve outcomes🧠 Why strategic trade-off conversations are critical yet frequently overlooked🚀 The accelerating future of software development as AI capabilities expand🌱 Intentional versus unintentional technical debt managementChapters00:00 - Introduction and Welcome00:26 - The Challenges Beyond Technical Skills01:19 - Defining the CTO Role: Common Misconceptions03:16 - The Formula for Startup CTO Success05:15 - How Agile Lost Customer Connection07:19 - The Importance of Strategic Trade-off Conversations09:22 - Why Every Executive Is in Sales11:49 - The Critical Listening Skills for Engineers14:30 - The Real Product: User Value, Not Code17:24 - Scaling Beyond Individual Coding20:47 - The Coming Shift: AI's Impact on Development22:06 - Product Thinking vs. Technical Skills24:19 - Closing Thoughts and Contact InformationReady to transform your approach to technical leadership and product development? Download our FREE eBook "Product-First Teams" to learn how successful organizations are reimagining their technical structures for maximum impact. Visit https://fullscaleteam.com/productfirstteams today and start your journey toward more effective, customer-focused technical leadership.

May 1, 2025 • 32min
We Are All On The Product Team Now with Anton Zaides
Engineering Empathy: How Anton Zaides Bridges the Gap Between Developers and Business NeedsIn this insightful episode of Product Driven, host Matt Watson connects with Anton Zaides, an engineering manager from Israel, to explore how developers can better understand the business context and big picture behind their work. They dive into the transformative impact of AI coding tools, the critical importance of developer empathy, and how firsthand experience with end users dramatically improves product decisions.The conversation takes a fascinating turn when Matt and Anton discuss how AI coding tools are dramatically accelerating development, requiring engineers to understand the business context more deeply to make independent decisions. Matt and Anton agree that the traditional separation between "product decides what, engineering decides how" is breaking down, and successful organizations need to distribute product thinking across the entire team.🔗 Essential Links (Start Here!):Full Episodes: https://product-driven.captivate.fm/episodesConnect with Matt Watson on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattwatsonkc/Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://fullscaleteam.com/newsletterGet our FREE Ebook: https://fullscaleteam.com/productfirstteamsPowered by Full Scale: https://fullscale.io/Connect with Anton Zaides: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anton-zaides/Check out Manager.dev: https://www.manager.dev/Key Discussion Points:How AI coding tools like Cursor are creating a 5-6x productivity boost and shifting development bottlenecksThe importance of connecting engineers directly to business outcomes and customer experiencesAnton's journey to becoming a licensed drone pilot to understand his agricultural tech customers trulyBreaking down silos between product management and engineering teamsThe future evolution of product and engineering roles in an AI-accelerated development worldEpisode Chapters:00:03 - Introduction and Background01:01 - The Impact of AI on Development Speed02:18 - Shifting Bottlenecks in Software Development04:45 - Product Manager and Engineer Dynamics07:01 - Creating Customer Feedback Loops09:10 - Anton's Experience Becoming a Drone Pilot11:52 - The Value of Firsthand User Experience14:04 - Empathy and Caring for Users16:24 - Understanding Customer Problems vs Just Using Software19:22 - Overcoming Fear of Public Content Creation22:26 - Encouraging Developers to Share Their Work25:54 - The Evolution of Product and Engineering Roles29:37 - The Future of Engineering ManagementWhether you're in engineering leadership, product management, or development, this conversation offers practical strategies for breaking down silos and creating more empathetic, business-focused engineering teams.

Apr 24, 2025 • 33min
The Developer’s Guide to Building a Personal Brand with Corey House
The Developer as the Product: Cory House on Building a Personal Brand in Tech 🚀In this engaging episode of Product Driven, host Matt Watson reconnects with long-time colleague Cory House, a renowned React consultant, Pluralsight author, and software development thought leader. They explore the fascinating journey of building a personal brand in technology. Cory shares his evolution from full-time developer to independent consultant and how he leveraged content creation, conference speaking, and specialized expertise to create a sustainable business.Cory reveals how narrowing his focus to become a React specialist dramatically increased client inquiries, and shares practical advice on risk management for those considering the independent path. He emphasizes the importance of building your reputation and client base before making the leap to independence, noting that true independence requires intentional preparation rather than impulsive decisions.🔗 Essential Links (Start Here!):Full Episodes: https://product-driven.captivate.fm/episodesConnect with Matt Watson on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattwatsonkc/Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://fullscaleteam.com/newsletterGet our FREE Ebook: https://fullscaleteam.com/productfirstteamsPowered by Full Scale: https://fullscale.io/GET THE PRODUCT DRIVEN BOOK: https://productdriven.com/bookConnect with Cory House:Twitter/X: @housecorWebsite: https://reactjsconsulting.comCourses: https://pluralsight.com/authors/cory-houseKey Discussion Points:The incremental path to independence: building a side business while maintaining full-time employmentSpecialized marketing strategies that generated client opportunities without traditional advertisingBalancing work, personal time, and productivity as an independent consultantThe power of consistent content creation and reputation-building in technical fieldsStrategic specialization and how to navigate technology trends without getting trappedEpisode Chapters:00:01 - Introduction and Background01:16 - The Beginning of Cory's Consulting Journey03:12 - Balancing Personal Time and Productivity04:51 - Building a Reputation Through Speaking and Content07:23 - The Path from Social Anxiety to Public Speaking09:33 - The Long Game of Building a Personal Brand11:27 - From Side Business to Full Independence14:22 - The Transition to Full-Time Independence16:45 - Finding Clients and Managing Risk18:47 - Content Marketing as a Business Strategy21:00 - Finding Focus and Audience on Social Media23:41 - Technology Specialization and Future Trends27:54 - The Flexibility of Software Development Skills29:17 - Single Page Applications and Technology Trends31:42 - Where to Find Cory OnlineDiscover the strategies that transformed Cory from a developer with anxiety about public speaking to a globally recognized technology consultant who's worked with 75 companies over the past decade. A must-listen for developers considering independence or looking to strengthen their personal brand in the technology space!

Apr 22, 2025 • 6min
The Way You’ve Been Leading Engineers Doesn’t Work Anymore
The Silent Crisis of Engineering Success: When Output Overshadows OutcomesIn this intellectually provocative monologue, Matt Watson challenges the conventional metrics of engineering success, exposing the fundamental disconnect between shipping code and creating genuine customer value. Through compelling narrative and pointed questions, Matt illuminates how the traditional focus on velocity and output has created teams that celebrate deployment rather than impact—leading to the hollow silence of features that fail to resonate with users.As AI accelerates development capabilities, this philosophical misalignment becomes increasingly problematic, demanding a fundamental shift toward product-driven leadership that prioritizes customer outcomes over engineering throughput.🔗 Essential Links (Start Here!):Full Episodes: https://product-driven.captivate.fm/episodesConnect with Matt Watson on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattwatsonkc/Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://fullscaleteam.com/newsletterGet our FREE Ebook: https://fullscaleteam.com/productfirstteamsPowered by Full Scale: https://fullscale.io/GET THE PRODUCT DRIVEN BOOK: https://productdriven.com/bookKey Discussion Points:🧠 The existential disconnect between engineering metrics and customer impact💡 How AI amplifies the consequences of poor product decision-making🔄 The psychological toll of shipping features that receive no celebration or feedback⚡ Three transformative strategies for shifting from output-focused to outcome-driven leadership📊 Redefining "done" as customer impact rather than deployment completion🌱 Celebrate building rituals around customer value rather than engineering milestonesThree actionable approaches to transition toward product-driven leadership:Ask Better Questions - Shift from "what are we building?" to "what problem are we solving?"Redefine Done - Move beyond code deployment to measuring customer impactCelebrate Differently - Create rituals around customer success stories rather than release datesChapters:0:00 - The silence that follows deployment0:38 - The motivational crisis of engineering teams1:17 - How AI is changing engineering fundamentals2:38 - The philosophical shift from output to outcomes3:20 - Three strategies for product-driven leadership5:02 - The challenge: measuring what truly mattersThis profound exploration of engineering leadership philosophy serves as both a warning and a roadmap for technical leaders navigating the AI revolution. By questioning the fundamental metrics that drive engineering culture, Matt provides a compelling vision for engineering teams that celebrate impact rather than merely shipping code.

Apr 17, 2025 • 31min
Get Stakeholders to Agree on Product Direction with Stephen Pollack
Product Strategies for Lasting Success: Stephen Pollack on Building Big Picture Plans 🚀In this enlightening episode of Product Driven, host Matt Watson welcomes veteran tech leader Stephen Pollack of InsightSpin to explore why software developers and organizations struggle with understanding the big picture. Drawing from decades of industry experience, Stephen shares invaluable insights on creating sustainable product strategies, balancing customer-driven development with innovation, and leveraging AI as a strategic team member.Stephen Pollack shares how successful companies avoid the trap of short-term thinking and maintain focus on their North Star vision. He emphasizes that AI represents a transformational technology that can serve as a valuable team member when properly leveraged, particularly for documentation and knowledge synthesis.🔗 Essential Links (Start Here!):Full Episodes: https://product-driven.captivate.fm/episodesConnect with Matt Watson on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattwatsonkc/Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://fullscaleteam.com/newsletterGet our FREE Ebook: https://fullscaleteam.com/productfirstteamsPowered by Full Scale: https://fullscale.io/Connect with Stephen Pollack:Website: https://insightspin.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenpollack/Key Discussion Points:Why businesses often fail to create and maintain big-picture product plansHow to balance stakeholder input without falling into consensus paralysisThe critical importance of focus in product developmentStrategies for preserving innovation while serving existing customersPractical applications of AI in product management and documentationEpisode Chapters:00:00 - Introduction and Welcome00:34 - Why Developers Struggle with the Big Picture02:22 - Stakeholder Alignment Challenges04:05 - Leadership Decision-Making Dynamics07:21 - Focus as a Critical Success Factor09:44 - AI's Impact on Product Development14:40 - Balancing Customer-Driven vs. Innovation-Driven Approaches21:15 - The "Shitification" Challenge of Established Products24:43 - Risk Aversion and Market Disruption28:37 - Stephen's Background and ServicesDon't miss this insightful conversation that will challenge you to think beyond tactical implementation and embrace strategic product planning for lasting success.

Apr 15, 2025 • 28min
Corporate Product Teams Face a Different Reality with Raechel Boston
Raechel Boston, a product manager at Kroger and TikTok personality known as The Scrum Mastery, dives into the unique challenges of managing products in traditional industries. She contrasts the slow-moving bureaucracy of established corporations with the agile practices of startups. Raechel discusses how AI could redefine product roles, favoring those with a true understanding of product vision. Additionally, she shares insights on engaging content creation to simplify Scrum methodology and the evolving landscape of tech careers.

Apr 10, 2025 • 30min
Product Market Fit: When Customers Pull You Forward with Pablo Srugo
In this engaging conversation, Pablo Srugo, Partner at Mistral VC and host of the Product Market Fit podcast, dives deep into the critical journey from product conception to market success. He shares essential metrics that indicate product-market fit, including the Sean Ellis test, and discusses the importance of customer feedback. Pablo also reflects on his own entrepreneurial failures, emphasizing the need for timing and adaptability. Listeners gain insights into the transformative power of understanding customer needs and navigating the complexities of startup growth.

Apr 8, 2025 • 11min
Who Should Run Daily Standups?
🔄 Engineering Leadership in Daily Standups: The Critical Role of Technical ManagementIn this thought-provoking exploration, Matt Watson challenges conventional wisdom about daily standup meetings, revealing why technical leadership transforms these gatherings from mundane status updates into powerful catalysts for team collaboration, problem identification, and rapid decision-making.🔗 Essential Links (Start Here!):Full Episodes: https://product-driven.captivate.fm/episodesConnect with Matt Watson on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattwatsonkc/Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://fullscaleteam.com/newsletterGet our FREE Ebook: https://fullscaleteam.com/productfirstteamsPowered by Full Scale: https://fullscale.io/Key Discussion Points:🧠 Why engineering managers create superior standup dynamics compared to project managers🔍 Reading team sentiment through body language and conversation flow⚡ Identifying technical blockers that non-technical managers might miss🌱 Creating psychological safety for junior developers to seek help🔄 The startup founder's "superpower" of combining technical and product knowledge📊 Cultural Considerations Affecting Team Communication Styles💡 Alternative leadership models for teams with strong senior developersChapters:0:00 - Introduction to standups controversy0:32 - Why status reports miss the point1:12 - Engineering managers' unique perspective2:18 - Identifying coachable moments2:49 - Project managers vs. engineering managers4:22 - Senior developers' self-managed approach6:44 - The startup founder's advantage9:03 - Balancing leadership stylesThis critical analysis transforms our understanding of daily standups from perfunctory rituals into strategic opportunities for team alignment, technical problem-solving, and leadership development. Through Matt's experienced perspective, discover how technical leaders create environments where information flows naturally, blockers become visible, and teams accelerate through challenges rather than merely reporting on them.Transform your team's daily cadence by reimagining standups as collaborative problem-solving sessions rather than administrative checkpoints. Join our community of engineering leaders dedicated to building more effective, communicative technical teams.

Apr 3, 2025 • 27min
From Side Project to Startup - Key Lessons with James Green
🚀 From Idea to Impact: The Entrepreneur's Journey with James GreenIn this illuminating conversation, Matt Watson and James Green, Co-founder and General Partner at DQ Ventures, delve into the transformative journey from concept to viable business. Discover why technical brilliance alone isn't enough and how aspiring founders can navigate the challenging path to entrepreneurial success without sacrificing financial stability.🔗 Essential Links (Start Here!):Full Episodes: https://product-driven.captivate.fm/episodesConnect with Matt Watson on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattwatsonkc/Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://fullscaleteam.com/newsletterGet our FREE Ebook: https://fullscaleteam.com/productfirstteamsPowered by Full Scale: https://fullscale.io/Connect with James Green: https://www.linkedin.com/in/greenjim/Website: http://www.dqventures.comKey Discussion Points:🔍 The fundamental misconception of entrepreneurship as primarily product creation💡 Why 90% of entrepreneurial success revolves around effective selling🧠 The critical importance of customer validation before significant product investment⚡ How technical and non-technical founders approach market opportunities differently🔄 The challenge of context-switching for technically-minded entrepreneurs📊 Reframing sales as a problem-solving conversation rather than persuasion🌱 The innovative "Don't Quit" approach to entrepreneurship while maintaining stabilityChapters:0:00 - Introduction and entrepreneurial landscape1:41 - The reality of entrepreneurship as primarily sales3:16 - The myth of overnight startup success4:31 - Customer validation and market feedback importance6:31 - Technical vs. non-technical founder success patterns9:19 - Engineering mindset challenges in sales contexts12:16 - Context-switching difficulties for technical founders14:20 - Reframing sales as listening and problem-solving18:04 - The "Don't Quit" approach to entrepreneurship20:55 - Risk management in mid-career entrepreneurship22:09 - Real-world consequences of the all-in approach24:39 - Resources and support for aspiring entrepreneursThis conversation illuminates the critical bridge between technical expertise and commercial viability, offering profound insights for technically-minded professionals contemplating the entrepreneurial leap. Through James's "Don't Quit" methodology, discover a more sustainable approach to building your business without sacrificing financial security or career stability.

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Apr 1, 2025 • 12min
Why Software Engineering Is Neither Art Nor Science
Discover the intriguing perspective that software development transcends the traditional boundaries of art and science. The discussion emphasizes practical problem-solving as the heart of this craft. It highlights the evolution to software engineering and the significance of teamwork in addressing customer needs. Listeners will learn about the shortcomings of solely viewing code as art and the importance of balancing creativity with methodology. This exploration promises to reshape how we think about the nature of software creation.