

This Is TASTE
Aliza Abarbanel & Matt Rodbard
If you're a fan of smart and lively conversations about food, home cooking, and culture, this is the place. We interview the most interesting characters in the world of food, media, and cookbooks and release episodes several times a month. The program is hosted by TASTE editors Aliza Abarbanel and Matt Rodbard, and is sometimes recorded live at Rizzoli Bookstore in New York City. Visit TASTE online: tastecooking.com
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Dec 13, 2023 • 48min
324: We ❤️ Saveur with Colman Andrews
Colman Andrews, founding editor and former editor in chief of Saveur, discusses the founding principles of the magazine, technological advancements, encounters with Steven Spielberg, exploring food destinations, changes at Saveur and the closure of Gourmet magazine, the importance of reading material for journalists, and the need for more diverse voices in food writing.

Dec 11, 2023 • 55min
323: We ❤️ Saveur with Dorothy Kalins
We kick off a weeklong tribute to Saveur magazine, past and present, with a colorful interview with the one and only Dorothy Kalins, Saveur’s founding editor. Dorothy’s career in magazines and cookbooks is hall-of-fame-worthy—and in fact, she was inducted into the American Society of Magazine Editors’ Hall of Fame in 2018. She was founding editor in chief of Metropolitan Home, a leading baby boom design publication that inspired many magazines to follow. She launched Saveur in 1994, and the publication went on to receive 17 nominations and three National Magazine Awards while inspiring a generation of food editors and writers, as well as the founding of food magazines like TASTE. In this conversation we speak with Dorothy about her career and what led her out of the photo studio and into real life with the documentary-style journalism that made Saveur so important. We talk about creating the Saveur 100 and hear many stories from her decades in food media. We hope you enjoy following along this week as we pay tribute to Saveur. Do you enjoy This Is TASTE? Drop us a review on Apple, or star us on Spotify. We'd love to hear from you.MORE FROM DOROTHY KALINS:
A Founding Editor of Saveur Shares What She Learned [NYT]
Dorothy Kalins Elected to ASME Hall of Fame [ASME]

Dec 9, 2023 • 44min
322: Ruth Reichl & Nancy Silverton
Today on the show we have a really, really, really great conversation with two of the most respected people in food: Ruth Reichl and Nancy Silverton. We came together earlier this week at Rizzoli Bookstore in Manhattan to talk about Nancy’s great new cookbook, The Cookie That Changed My Life. Ruth and Nancy have been friends for decades, and we cover a wide variety of topics including what is in fact the best cookie ever, as well as favorite restaurants in New York, Los Angeles, and Italy.Do you enjoy This Is TASTE? Drop us a review on Apple, or star us on Spotify. We'd love to hear from you.MORE FROM RUTH REICHL AND NANCY SILVERTON:
What’s Cooking With Nancy Silverton [Beverly Press]
Who Decides Style? [La Briffe]
The Sushi Effect [La Briffe]

Dec 8, 2023 • 44min
321: Send Chinatown Love
Alice Luo and Elaine Mao from Send Chinatown Love discuss their involvement with the nonprofit and the creation of their cookbook celebrating NYC's Asian communities. They explore their favorite restaurants in Chinatown and Flushing, share personal stories about Quay Cafe, and highlight the importance of food in connecting communities and preserving cultural traditions.

Dec 6, 2023 • 53min
320: Melissa King & Julius Roberts
Melissa King is a Top Chef icon—but she’s also much more. The champion turned judge is also the host of Tasting Wild, a far-out outdoor cooking show, and she still finds time to be in the kitchen with pop-ups. It’s so fun to have her on the show to talk about cooking with her Top Chef crew, plus career-defining gigs like appearing on Sesame Street and cooking for the Met Gala.Also on the show Matt has a live interview with British author and TikTok chef Julius Roberts. He’s releasing his debut cookbook, The Farm Table, in February and we were lucky to get a preview at a recent live conversation in New York City. Julius will be back in our studio next year, so let this serve as just the beginning of our interest in this extremely talented and cool star in food. Do you enjoy This Is TASTE? Drop us a review on Apple, or star us on Spotify. We'd love to hear from you.MORE FROM MELISSA KING AND JULIUS ROBERTS:
Hong Kong Milk Tea Tiramisu [Food & Wine]
Tasting Wild [YouTube]
Leek, Potato and Chorizo Stew [TikTok]
A Lunch With: Julius Roberts [Inigo]

Dec 4, 2023 • 28min
319: Marissa Mullen
We’re big fans of Marissa Mullen and super excited to have her back in the studio to talk about the keys to winning the holiday entertaining game (mostly through cheese), and also reveal some details about an exciting trip to France we are planning for next summer. Our latest TASTE Travels has Marissa joining TASTE editor Matt Rodbard for a week of cheese, wine, and castles in Normandy. Limited spots are filling up quickly. Marissa is the author of two books revolving around modern entertaining and the art of the cheese plate. Her latest, That Cheese Plate Wants to Party, is a sharp and highly enjoyable guide to buying cheese for all sorts of occasions, including a solo evening at home. We hope you enjoy this talk.Do you enjoy This Is TASTE? Drop us a review on Apple, or star us on Spotify. We'd love to hear from you.MORE FROM MARISSA MULLEN:
TASTE Travels France: Exploring Camembert, Calvados, and The French Countryside [TASTE]
That Cheese Plate Turns 10! [Ticket link]
How to Cut Every Type of Cheese [Salon]
Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Cheddar [F52]

Dec 1, 2023 • 55min
318: Shelly Fireman & Lorenzo Espada
Shelly Fireman is the owner of several New York City restaurants of acclaim and heritage, including Redeye Grill, Bond 45, and Cafe Fiorello. He’s also a very accomplished sculptor with a studio in Tuscany. On this truly amazing episode, we hear some great stories from an industry legend, like about opening the first stand-alone bagel shop in New York in the early 1960s, the Hip Bagel, as well as many more from over 50 years in the business. Get to know Shelly Fireman in this great episode.Also on the show we have a fun interview with Lorenzo Espada, a 25 year old self-taught chef who has blown up on TikTok and has a cool debut cookbook, Somethin' Outta Nothin': 100 Creative Comfort Food Recipes for Everyone.MORE FROM SHELLY FIREMAN AND LORENZO ESPADA:
Why Shelly Fireman Is the King of Pre Theater Dining [Town and Country]
The Hip Bagel Menu Is AMAZING [Vintage Menu Art]
Local Chef Turned His Cooking Into a Viral Sensation [Spectrum]

Nov 29, 2023 • 28min
317: Bryan Washington
Bryan Washington is a writer from Houston whose latest novel, Family Meal, is an intimate portrayal of friendship, queerness, and pastries. He also writes about things like Japanese curry bread and queer bars for the New Yorker, and today we’re thrilled to have him on the show to talk about food as a plot device, his favorite okonomiyaki spots in Osaka, and more. Do you enjoy This Is TASTE? Drop us a review on Apple, or star us on Spotify. We'd love to hear from you.MORE FROM BRYAN WASHINGTON:
Server [The New Yorker]
In Bryan Washington’s ‘Family Meal,’ Food Is a Language [Eater]
Buy: Family Meal

Nov 27, 2023 • 40min
316: Jon Kung
Today on the show we have a really fun conversation with Jon Kung, a Detroit-based chef and TikTok creator we’ve fallen hard for over the past couple years. We wanted to have Jon in the studio to talk a little bit about his cooking videos on YouTube and his life online and off, but mostly we wanted to dig into his terrific new book, Kung Food: Chinese American Recipes from a Third-Culture Kitchen. We hope you enjoy this conversation.Do you enjoy This Is TASTE? Drop us a review on Apple, or star us onSpotify. We'd love to hear from you.MORE FROM JON KUNG:
Baba Ghanoush: The Perfect Twist for Your Toast [YouTube]
Jon Kung, the Self-Taught Chef Who Went Viral [Financial Times]
Marriage Proposal Hidden in the Detroit Chef’s Debut Cookbook [Hour Detroit]
This Is TASTE 223: Abra Berens [TASTE]

Nov 24, 2023 • 49min
315: Leah Koenig
Leah Koenig is the author of six cookbooks, including The Jewish Cookbook and Modern Jewish Cooking. Her latest book, Portico, is one of my favorites of the busy fall and taps into the rich history of Jewish food in Rome. On this episode Leah and I talk about the iconic dishes from Rome's Jewish ghetto, and talk about the years she took reporting this wonderful book. I hope you enjoy our conversation.Also on the show, Matt has a great talk with New York Times reporter Amelia Nierenberg. Amelia has long written compelling pieces that tie together food and current events, and we speak about her journalism career before digging into her latest story: How to Hijack a Quarter of a Million Dollars in Rare Japanese Kit Kats. It’s great catching up with Amelia.Do you enjoy This Is TASTE? Drop us a review on Apple, or star us on Spotify. We'd love to hear from you.MORE FROM LEAH KOENIG:
This Cookbook Is a Must-Read Love Letter to Roman Jewish Cuisine [Saveur]
Stop Being a Snob and Use Onion Powder [TASTE]
Beef and White Bean Stew With Cumin [Bon Appetit]
Abambar [Epicurious]