Empowered Through Compassion: EMDR and IFS Informed Therapy

This is part one. In a couple of days, I will edit and publish part two of this wonderful conversation. I feel so lucky to have spoken with Ann, and I am thrilled to share this podcast episode with you! I hope you enjoy this, and I promise, to be continued soon...

It was such a pleasure and honor to speak with Janina Fisher. I hope you enjoy this podcast! She is one of the masters of EMDR (she trained with Francine Shapiro) and she also had many conversations with Richard Schwartz.  If you would like to find out more about Janina Fisher, her Website is:  www.Janinafisher.com You can also find Janina Fisher's trainings at: www.therapywisdom.com I hope you enjoy this wonderful episode and conversation with Janina!

Joanne Twombly, an author renowned for her expertise in trauma healing and Internal Family Systems, dives deep into an array of compelling topics. She discusses the synergy between EMDR and IFS, particularly their roles in emotional processing. Joanne emphasizes the need for safe therapeutic environments and the importance of phased approaches for clients with dissociative disorders. Additionally, she explores the nuanced use of psychedelics in therapy, advocating for informed client choices throughout the healing journey.

Joanne Twombly, an author and expert on dissociation and trauma treatment, shares her deep insights on addressing complex PTSD and dissociative disorders. She discusses the integration of EMDR and Internal Family Systems (IFS), highlighting its unique benefits. Joanne emphasizes the importance of relationships in healing and advocates for flexible diagnoses to better support clients. The chat also delves into the complexities of trauma, emotional safety in therapy, and the interconnectivity of one's internal selves, making for a compelling and informative conversation.

Season 1, Episode 37, Release Date: 7-8-2024 EMDR and IFS Integration with Melissa and Jennifer for the Popular Notice That podcast Check out Notice That at www.emdr-podcast.com Find out more about Beyond Healing (Melissa and Jen's group practice in Missouri at: www.connectbeyondhealing.com   Melissa is thew Director of Clinical Embodiment at Beyond Healing, as wel as Supervisor, Trainer, Consultant and Psychotherapist. She is an approved EMDRIA Consultant. She has a special focus in dissociative disorders and holistic healinng. She is also a Reiki teacher and university professor.   Jennifer Savage is the Directorof Program Development at Beyond Healing. She is also a Supervisor, Trainer, Consultant, and Bilingual Psychotherapist-- American Sign Language. She is an EMDRIA approved Consultant. She also offers intensives, to work with clients seeking trauma healing in a more concentrated setting.   It was such an honor to speak with both of them for this episode!    

Season 1, Episode 36, Release Date: 6-30-2024 Robert Falconer and the Others Within Us   Robert Falconer is defintely a hero of mine. He has written many enlightening books that include "The Others Within Us" and his latest (hot off the presses) "When You're Going Through Hell... Keep Going." Find out more about Bob here: www.robertfalconer.us   Bob successfully combines trauma healing and spirituality in his work. Through grace, he has always been very motivated, to heal both his own trauma, as well as helping others on their journeys.  I admire how Bob looks toward other cultures (in addition to our own) to seek out wisdom and knowledge.    When I spoke about how much wisdom can be found from long ago, I questioned if society was moving backwards. Bob reflected on Owen Barfield's work, and shared that long ago there was a strong connection with nature that was lost. However, Own believed that this was something that was going to be rediscovered, albeit in a different way.   Bob shared that Western psychology is seen by some as colonization of the mind.  Is there a way to bring back spirituality to this? We spoke about how IFS does this, "to some degree." However, the 8 C's seem to stop short of some important Self qualities, such as: Luminosity, Transcendence, Radiance We spoke about how graduate schools seem content with the 8 C's-- particularly "calm"... however, to other cultures, spirituality is anything but calm. Bob shared how to the Sans people, Bushmen of the Kalahari, spirituality is moving, it is ecstatic dancing and high energy. Bob shared how so much of the time we banish esctatic spirituality in this society.    Perhaps one way to bring this back is through a psychedelic renaissance. We spoke about how IFS could help prepare someone for a psychodelic healing experience. Bob stressed the need for permission from the entire system. Bob shared how there has been some evidence which suggests psychedelics address rumination of a system.   Bob shared that he doesn't believe people can heal from trauma without some form of spirituality, or meaning, in their world. To him, each moment can be a doorway into eternity, if we can appreciate the present moment. We can do this by pausing when we find ourselves experiencing awe, wonder, joy. This is a way to respect our own existence.   We spoke about the definition of "mental health" and how our society puts these people in boxes that become extremely limiting. Instead, these people just might be the visionaries in the society, who are in need of more compassionate. We spoke about how other societies have been able to successfully construct a compassionate container for these people. Perhap, by learning from these societies, we can have kinder and more effective ways to address mental health in our society.    

Leslie Petruk, a Licensed Clinical Mental Health Counselor and Director at the Stone Center for Counseling & Leadership, shares her insights on parenting through a therapeutic lens. She discusses the healing power of sand tray therapy, illustrating how it helps children express emotions non-verbally. Leslie highlights the importance of poetry in therapy, connecting emotional depth to healing. She also delves into the complexities of parenting, emphasizing self-awareness and the joys of nurturing children's curiosity while navigating personal challenges.

Season 1, Episode 34, Release Date: 6-16-2024 Victoria Eagle and the IFS Telehealth Collective   Find out more about Victoria here: http://ifstherapyonline.com/victoria-eagle-ifs-therapy-in-california   This is a very special episode for me, to introduce a wonderful co-worker of mine, Victoria Eagle. She has been working at the IFS-Telehealth Collective, she is a supervisor here, and also runs group with one of the founders Paul Ginter. Find out more about these groups here: http://ifstherapyonline.com/ifs-community-groups   Victoria shared that she was drawn to IFS because of its non-pathologizing nature. She felt that she was able to see her clients (first children, then parents) through this lens of compassion and connection.    When Victoria was trained in IFS, and shared the concept of multiplicity, and helped people see the parts within them, she helps parents relate to these parts as if they were their children. Victoria sees these parts as individual clients that are walking into her office. In this way, each part is an entity that we want to get to know and appreciate.   As we accept and love our inner world, this energy also is reflected in our relationship to the outter way as well.   Victoria shared how when people are able to experience their self energy, she can see this reflected in their faces "it is as the sunshine is warming them."   Victoria shared how the IFS-TC handles diagnosing clients, and how this is a collaborative process. The diagnosing is done to describe symptoms, and help care for people. She strives to choose the least pathologizing diagnoses, and holds these diagnoses lightly.   

Seaon 1, Episode 33, Release Date: 6-9-2024 Authentic Connection with Jessica Olberz Singleton and Frank D'Amato   This has been one of those episodes which I have been holding close to my heart, and I am finally releasing it, with a deep sense of gratitude towards Jessica and Frank. They are heroes of mine who are also on a podcast journey of their own. Their podcast has been very inspirational to me. Their podcast is called, "Feel This" and you can listen to it here: https://podcasts.apple.com/th/podcast/feel-this-with-frank-and-jess/id1610951524   This podcast has authentic conversation, where the hosts show what they are experiencing in the moment. They welcome the listener into this safe space, to feel this alongside the hosts. Frank shared that he does this podcast for the simple reason that when he is doing the podcast, "I feel more connected to myself, more alive, more compassionate."   Frank shared that, Authentic Connection is a way of speaking for what is happening in the moment. We can look at 5 zones of connection...   1) Chit chat-- speaking about random things going on around us 2) It chat-- focusing on a specific topic of interest 3) Me chat-- focusing on you or me 4) We chat-- speaking about the relationship of "us" 5) Now chat-- speaking for what my experience is in this moment   Frank shared how he really loves Jay Earleys books, "Self-Therapy" especially for clients.   Frank shared how he does not believe the zones are heirarchical. Each of them can be very positive if we are being self-led. To illustrate this, Jess shared how chit-chat could be parts led, when people are using this to speak over one another, or fill up space. However, chit-chat could also be Self-led when there is attunement, and the chit-chat becomes a way of connecting with someone. Through a sense of presence, the words within chit-chat don't matter, the communication is in the experience, and the action.   Chit-chat can also be used to bring a deep conversation to a place that feels a little safer and contained.   Frank dove into the We chat realm and shared how this is often overlooked in our culture, but so important. Frank shared how "IFIO sees this realm as a place to help couple's track their experiences." This is a way to notice cycles and patterns in communication.   When we are being parts-led, we chat can look more like an argument. But, all relationships will have conflict, and being able to name "we-chat," we make more space for working through these problems. Naming what you perceive to be happening in the relationship takes vulnerability. However, this can lead to being able to feel the tangibility of the group's consciousness!    Authentic conversation (as it is named in IFIO) is the "now chat." It begins with an understanding and connection with ourselves. As I understand what I am feeling, I can then communicate this to you. Tapping into the hear and now, and the experiences within our bodies, can even lead us into a spiritual realm, as it deepens our relationship with the other person.    As Jess beautifully said; "By trusting our nervous system, and listening to it, allows us to give love and be loved. As we slow things down, we can appreciate the beauty of this, and it can feel like we are coming home to myself and others."           

Season 1 Episode 32, Release Date: 6-1-2024 Daily Parts Meditation Practice ® with Michelle Glass   Michelle Glass is Level 3 trained IFS practitioner, who has written the wonderful book, "Daily Parts Meditation Practice®." She is a Soul Collage facilitator as well as a Spiritual Emergence Coach. She leads Daily Parts Meditation Practice® (DPMP®) Workshops. She has also spent 7 years as the Editor for the magazine, "Foundation for Self-Leadershp."   Find out more about Michelle here: http://thelistenerllc.com   Michelle also collaborates with Sentur App. Find out more about this here: http://www.sentur.app   Michelle also has been teaching the integration of IFS for guides working with psychedelics. Find out more about this work on Michelle's website here: https://www.michelleglass.com/   Michelle spoke about her book, and how she believe (and practices) checking in with her part each day. In this way, she has been able to cultivate a deep relationship and connection with each one of her parts.   Michelle quoted A.H. Almaas, who has said, "The fundamental thing that happened, and the greatest calamity, is not that there was no love or support. The greater calamity, which is caused by the first calamity, is that you lost the connection to your essence."   Michelle shared that for her, when she experienced trauma, the worst part was how this made her question how there could be a higher power, or God, when such horrendous things could happen to people.   IFS was a way that Michelle was able to reconnect to this higher power. IFS was such a meaningful model to her, in part, because of its non-pathologizing nature.    Michelle was drawn to IFS because of its non-pathologizing nature.    Thanks Michelle for such a meaningful conversation and connection!