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Jul 22, 2022 • 46min
Would the world be better without the UN? A conversation with author Thomas G. Weiss
In this episode of the #NextPagePod, we are joined by Professor Thomas G. Weiss, of the CUNY Graduate Center, a renowned researcher of the United Nations secretariat and the UN system at large. Our Director at the UN Library and Archives Geneva, Francesco Pisano, explores with Professor Weiss one of his latest books, Would the World Be Better without the UN?
In his early career, he served with various parts of the UN Secretariat and UN specialised agencies. He has published countless works on the UN system, international relations, humanitarian affairs and peacekeeping.
Resources
Transcript: http://bitly.ws/t7zg
Where to listen to this episode
Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-next-page/id1469021154
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/10fp8ROoVdve0el88KyFLy
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc2iLBRbHEU
Content
Speakers: Thomas Weiss
Host: Francesco Pisano
Editors & Producers: Alma Selvaggia Rinaldi, Yunshi (Daisy) Liang, Natalie Alexander
Social media designs: Alma Selvaggia Rinaldi & Natalie Alexander
Recorded & produced at the United Nations Library & Archives Geneva

Jul 8, 2022 • 28min
Organiser le Monde, une Autre Histoire de la Guerre Froide avec Sandrine Kott
Aujourd'hui, la Cheffe de la Section de la mémoire institutionnelle à la Bibliothèque et aux Archives de l'ONU à Genève, Blandine Blukacz-Louisfert, est rejointe par Sandrine Kott, Professeur d'histoire contemporaine à l'Université de Genève et professeur invitée à la New York University, pour la présentation de son ouvrage Organiser le Monde, une Autre Histoire de la Guerre Froide apparu en 2021 aux éditions du Seuil.
Sandrine Kott est spécialiste de l'histoire du travail et des politiques sociales. Ses travaux récents se sont intéressés plus particulièrement aux organisations internationales comme lieu de circulation des savoirs et expertises en matière économique et sociale.
Dans cet ouvrage, Kott s’intéresse aux organisations internationales et ce qu’elles peuvent révéler sur la période de la guerre froide. Elle souligne également l’importance des archives dans l’analyse de l’histoire, ainsi que ce que cela révèle sur les origines et les fonctionnements du multilatéralisme. Enfin, elle souligne également l’importance de Genève dans l’histoire du multilatéralisme, ainsi que ce que cette tradition multilatérale signifie aujourd’hui.
Ressources
Transcript: https://libraryresources.unog.ch/audio/transcripts/Organiser-le-Monde-une-Autre-Histoire-de-la-Guerre-Froide-avec-Sandrine-Kott
Kott, S. (2021). Organiser le Monde, une Autre Histoire de la Guerre Froide, Seuil. https://www.seuil.com/ouvrage/organiser-le-monde-sandrine-kott/9782021408669
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Intervenants: Sandrine Kott
Animatrice: Blandine Blukacz-Louisfert
Réalisation et montage: Alma Rinaldi & Natalie Alexander
Design des réseaux sociaux : Alma Selvaggia Rinaldi
Transcription: Alma Selvaggia Rinaldi
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Jun 24, 2022 • 43min
Why International Organizations Hate Politics with Dr. Lucile Maertens & Dr. Marieke Louis
Marieke Louis and Lucile Maerten’s book, Why International Organizations Hate Politics: Depoliticizing the World, draws on the extensive literature on functionalism and the related topic of technocracy, on anti-politics and bureaucractic multilateralism, and the wider, crosssectional research on expertise, knowledge and technicization, to systematically analyse and shine new light on the less explored topic of depoliticization.
Through current and historical case studies they examine behind the facades to reveal the common structures, mechanisms and logics of the depoliticization process at work and point to the unintended consequences and impacts on the very issues that IOs were created to address.
Their argument is carefully constructed and very nuanced and they invite us to consider their whole book and to question everyday practices that may, as they say, “backlash”.
Marieke Louis is Associate Professor in Political Science and International Relations at Sciences Po Grenoble, PACTE, University Grenoble Alpes. Lucile Maertens is Senior Lecturer in Political Science and International Relations at IEP / CRHIM, University of Lausanne.
Resources
• Transcript: http://bitly.ws/sBna
• Louis, M. & Maertens, L. (2021). Why International Organizations Hate Politics. https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/oa-mono/10.4324/9780429466984/international-organizations-hate-politics-marieke-louis-lucile-maertens
• Finnemore, M. and Barnett, M.N. (2004) Rules for the world: international organizations
in global politics. Cornell University Press.
• Hay, C. (2007) Why we hate politics (Vol. 5). Polity.
• Hay, C. (2014) “Depoliticisation as Process, Governance as Practice: What Did the ‘First Wave’ Get Wrong and Do We Need a ‘Second Wave’ to Put it Right?,” Policy and Politics 42, no. 2. 293–311.
• Human Development Index. UNDP. https://hdr.undp.org/data-center/humandevelopment-index#/indicies/HDI
• Keohane, R. O. (1978) “The Functional Theory of Politics. By David Mitrany. (New York: St. Martin's Press, 1975. Pp. xxv 294),” American Political Science Review. Cambridge University Press, 72(2), pp. 805–806. doi: 10.2307/1954263.
• Littoz-Monnet, A. (2017) The politics of expertise in international organizations. London: Routledge.
• Mérand, F. (2021) The Political Commissioner: A European Ethnography. Oxford University Press.
• Müller, B. (ed.) (2013) The gloss of harmony: the politics of policy‐making in multilateral organisations. London. Pluto Press.
• Ruwet, C. (2012) “La RSE négociée: règles du jeu et contenus. Le cas d'ISO 26000,” Négociations 2, no. 18 (2012): 93–108.
• Steffek, J. (2021) International Organization as Technocratic Utopia. Oxford University Press.
• Steffek J, Holthaus L. (2018) The social-democratic roots of global governance: Welfare internationalism from the 19th century to the United Nations. European Journal of International Relations. 24(1):106-129. doi:10.1177/1354066117703176.
Where to listen to this episode
Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-next-page/id1469021154
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/10fp8ROoVdve0el88KyFLy
Youtube: https://youtu.be/Vzr7xmBwokU
Content
Speakers: Dr. Lucile Maertens & Dr. Marieke Louis
Host: Amy Smith
Editors & Producers: Amy Smith, Alma Rinaldi & Natalie Alexander
Social media designs: Alma Rinaldi & Natalie Alexander
Recorded & produced at the United Nations Library & Archives Geneva

Jun 10, 2022 • 44min
Le rôle du Maroc au niveau multilatéral, avec Ambassadeur Omar Zniber.
Cet épisode poursuit notre série de conversations avec des ambassadeurs auprès de l'Office des Nations Unies à Genève, où nous explorons leurs points de vue en tant que diplomates dans un système multilatéral et ce que l'ONU signifie pour eux aujourd'hui.
Notre directeur de la Bibliothèque et Archives des Nations Unies à Genève, Francesco Pisano, est rejoint par le représentant permanent et ambassadeur du Royaume du Maroc auprès de l'Office des Nations Unies à Genève et d'autres organisations internationales, Omar Zniber.
En 1956, le Royaume du Maroc a rejoint les Nations Unies. L'ambassadeur Zniber raconte le parcours historique du Maroc, les défis auxquels il est confronté aujourd'hui, ainsi que son rôle au niveau régional et mondial, tout en partageant comment il a commencé à travailler dans la diplomatie. Il évoque également les souhaits du Maroc pour la communauté internationale, exprimant l'importance de la coopération multilatérale et les défis auxquels le multilatéralisme est confronté aujourd'hui.
Ressources:
Transcript: https://libraryresources.unog.ch/audio/transcripts/Morrocan-Ambassador-Omar-Zniber
Suivez la Mission permanente du Maroc auprès de l'ONU Genève sur Twitter : https://twitter.com/morocco_un
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Contenu
Intervenants: Omar Zniber et Francesco Pisano
Animatrice: Alma Selvaggia Rinaldi
Réalisation et montage: Yunshi (Daisy) Liang, Natalie Alexander et Alma Selvaggia Rinaldi
Design des réseaux sociaux : Alma Selvaggia Rinaldi
Image de Omar Zniber: Yunshi (Daisy) Liang
Transcription: Yunshi (Daisy) Liang et Alma Selvaggia Rinaldi
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May 27, 2022 • 31min
Le rôle des savoirs autochtones dans la lutte contre le changement climatique, avec Carine Ayélé Durand et Antine Sonde
Les peuples autochtones sont les plus directement touchés par le changement climatique alors qu’ils protègent jusqu’à 80% de la biodiversité de la planète. Comment garantir leur implication dans les politiques internationales alors que la reconnaissance de ces peuples reste, encore aujourd’hui, un défi majeur ?
Dans cet épisode, nous accueillons Carine Ayélé Durand, conservatrice en chef, responsable de l’Unité Collections, et directrice ad intérim du Musée d’ethnographie de Genève (MEG) et Antine Sonde, Senior Fellow auprès de la Section Peuples Autochtones et Minorités du Haut-Commissariat des Nations unies aux droits de l’homme (HCDH), pour parler des peuples autochtones face au changement climatique. Nos invités partagent avec nous des exemples concrets témoignant de l’impact direct du changement climatique sur les peuples autochtones et soulignent la nécessité d’intégrer leurs savoirs dans les prises de décisions.
Ressources:
Transcript: Transcript - Le rôle des savoirs autochtones dans la lutte contre le changement climatique
Injustice environnementale - Alternatives autochtones. Exposition temporaire (MEG) : https://www.meg.ch/fr/expositions/injustice-environnementale-alternatives-autochtones
Aide à la visite avec textes de l'exposition, portraits vidéos, audioguide et le conte « Le Prince et le Saumon : https://www.ville-ge.ch/meg/ieaa/index.php
Story map pour compléter les notions de réparation et de conflits abordés dans l'exposition : https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/c9890fddaa744efaaf784c4caf9d199f
Activités du HCDH en faveur des peuples autochtones : https://www.ohchr.org/fr/Issues/IPeoples/Pages/OHCHRs-work.aspx
Déclaration des Nations Unies sur les Droits des Peuples autochtones : https://www.un.org/esa/socdev/unpfii/documents/DRIPS_fr.pdf
Où trouver cet épisode
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Intervenants: Carine Ayélé Durand et Antine Sonde
Animatrice: Kelly Le Normand
Réalisation et montage: Yuinshi (Daisy) Liang & Natalie Alexander
Transcription: Yunshi (Daisy) Liang et Alma Rinaldi
Enregistré et produit à la Bibliothèque & Archives des Nations Unies à Genève

May 13, 2022 • 35min
Naji Osman on youth, the UN, and building an inclusive multilateralism
According to statistics from the United Nations, our world is home to 1.8 billion young people between the ages of 10 to 24, the largest generation of young people in recorded history. What is the role of youth in today’s multilateralism, as we look to the challenges we face in our present and our future?
In this episode, we are joined by Naji Osman, who in 2021 was designated as one of the three Swiss Youth Delegates to the United Nations. Naji is a student and research assistant in the Department of Economics at the University of Zurich, and is actively engaged in global political affairs, economic development and human rights.
Today he speaks with our Director Francesco Pisano, about his views on inclusive engagement, in particular, youth participation in multilateralism and how we can build intergenerational synergy to really make an impact as a global community.
Resources
Transcript: https://libraryresources.unog.ch/audio/transcripts/Naji-Osman-on-youth-the-UN-and-building-an-inclusive-multilateralism
Learn more about the Office of the UN Secretary’s General’s Envoy on Youth: https://www.un.org/youthenvoy/
Find statistics on youth from across the UN system: https://www.un.org/youthenvoy/youth-statistics/
Where to listen to this episode
Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-next-page/id1469021154
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/10fp8ROoVdve0el88KyFLy
Youtube:
Content
Speakers: Naji Osman, Francesco Pisano
Host: Natalie Alexander
Editor & Producer: Yunshi (Daisy) Liang
Social media designs: Yunshi (Daisy) Liang & Natalie Alexander
Recorded & produced at the United Nations Library & Archives Geneva

Apr 29, 2022 • 38min
Ambassador Galib Israfilov on Azerbaijan and enriching multilateralism for our collective future
This episode of the #NextPagePod continues our series of conversations with Ambassadors to the United Nations Geneva, where we explore their experiences as diplomats in a multilateral system, and what the UN means for their countries today as we look to the multilateralism we need for our future.
Our Director at the UN Library & Archives Geneva, Francesco Pisano, is joined by the Permanent Representative and Ambassador of the Republic of Azerbaijan to the UN in Geneva, Galib Israfilov.
In March 1992, Azerbaijan joined the United Nations. With this year marking 30 years of accession, Ambassador Israfilov shares some of the history of the nation, its regional role today, and his own reflections on the importance of multilateralism from his experiences as both a bilateral and multilateral diplomat.
Resources
Transcript: https://libraryresources.unog.ch/audio/transcripts/Ambassador-Israfilov-on-Azerbaijan-and-enriching-multilateralism
Follow the Permanent Mission of the Republic of Azerbaijan to the UN Geneva on Twitter: https://twitter.com/azmissiongeneva and Ambassador Galib Israfilov: https://twitter.com/galib_is
Where to listen to this episode
Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-next-page/id1469021154
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/10fp8ROoVdve0el88KyFLy
Youtube: https://youtu.be/QvRMvSgVnys
Content
Speakers: Ambassador Galib Ifralov, Francesco Pisano
Host: Natalie Alexander
Editors & Producers: Yunshi (Daisy) Liang & Natalie Alexander
Social media designs: Yunshi (Daisy) Liang & Natalie Alexander
Image of Galib Ifralov: Dodge and Burn
Recorded & produced at the United Nations Library & Archives Geneva

Apr 24, 2022 • 39min
Director-General of UN Geneva Tatiana Valovaya on the International Day of Multilateralism & Diplomacy for Peace
Today on the #NextPagePod we release a bonus episode to mark the International Day of Multilateralism and Diplomacy for Peace, established in 2018 by the UN General Assembly, and observed each year on 24 April.
At the heart of our podcast is the aim to enrich and promote understanding of the values of multilateralism and international cooperation. To mark this day, our Director at the Library & Archives, Francesco Pisano, speaks with the Director-General of UN Geneva, Tatiana Valovaya.
#MultileralismDay #MultilateralismMatters
Resources
Transcript
Learn more about "Our Common Agenda", an agenda of action designed to accelerate the implementation
of existing agreements: https://www.un.org/en/content/common-agenda-report/
Find out more about UN Geneva: https://www.ungeneva.org/en and Director-General Tatiana Valovaya: https://www.ungeneva.org/en/director-general
Where to listen to this episode
Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-next-page/id1469021154
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/10fp8ROoVdve0el88KyFLy
Youtube: https://youtu.be/jyGtsFtB42Q
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Content
Speakers: Director-General of UN Geneva Tatiana Valovaya, Francesco Pisano
Host: Natalie Alexander
Editor & Producer: Natalie Alexander
Transcript: Yunshi (Daisy) Liang
Social Media Designs: Natalie Alexander
Image of the Director-General: UN Photo / Jean Marc Ferré
Produced at the United Nations Library & Archives Geneva

Apr 14, 2022 • 41min
Ambassador Andranik Hovhannisyan on Armenia, multilateralism, and strengthening what unites us
This episode continues our series of conversations with Ambassadors to the United Nations Geneva, where we explore their views as diplomats in a multilateral system and what the UN means for them today.
Our Director at the UN Library & Archives Geneva, Francesco Pisano, is joined by the Permanent Representative and Ambassador of the Republic of Armenia to the UN in Geneva, Andranik Hovhannisyan.
This year, 2022, Armenia marks 30 years of accession to the United Nations. Ambassador Hovhannisyan shares how he came to serve in diplomacy, as well as moments from Armenia’s history that have marked him the most. He also shares his view on Armenia’s experience with the multilateralism at the UN, and as a historian himself, his thoughts as multilateralism evolves in a changing world.
Resources
Transcript: https://libraryresources.unog.ch/audio/transcripts/Armenia-multilateralism
Follow the Permanent Mission of the Republic of Armenia to the UN Geneva on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Armembsuisse
Where to listen to this episode
Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-next-page/id1469021154
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/10fp8ROoVdve0el88KyFLy
Youtube: https://youtu.be/VeVBSekEclw
Content
Speakers: Ambassador Andranik Hovhannisyan, Francesco Pisano
Host: Natalie Alexander
Editors & Producers: Yunsi (Daisy) Liang & Natalie Alexander
Social media designs: Natalie Alexander
Image of Ambassador Hovhannisyan: Permanent Mission of Armenia to the UN in Geneva
Recorded & produced at the United Nations Library & Archives Geneva

Apr 1, 2022 • 45min
It Takes A Global Crisis: Episode 4 - Sustainable Cities
Welcome to Episode 4 of 'It Takes a Global Crisis', a series of four special episodes produced by the UN Library & Archives Geneva in collaboration with the SDG Lab. In this last episode, we explore sustainable cities.
According to the United Nations, about 2 out of every 3 people will be living in cities or urban centres by 2050. Did it take a global crisis like the pandemic to highlight what we need for the future of cities? To ensure safe, livable, sustainable spaces? Let’s find out, as our host Edward Mishaud speaks with Dr. Agata Krause, Head of the 2030 Agenda and International Relations at the Center for Sustainable Development, Trondheim Kommune in Norway, and Dr. Bernadia Irawati Tjandradewi, the Secretary General of United Cities and Local Governments Asia-Pacific.
Resources
Transcript: https://libraryresources.unog.ch/audio/transcripts/It-Takes-A-Global-Crisis-Episode-4-Sustainable-Cities
Find out more about the Center for Sustainable Development with Trondheim Kommune in Norway: https://twitter.com/LearningSociTRD?s=20&t=u3INxevAMmIkrFVC3TcgtA
Find out more about United Cities and Local Governments Asia-Pacific: https://uclg-aspac.org/en/
Learn more about the C40 Students Reinventing Cities competition: https://www.c40reinventingcities.org/en/students/
Where to listen to this episode
Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-next-page/id1469021154
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/10fp8ROoVdve0el88KyFLy
YouTube: https://youtu.be/iJGrFQrGleE
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SDG Lab website: About SDG Lab — SDG Lab
Content
Speakers: Dr. Bernadia Irawati Tjandradewi & Dr. Agata Krause
Host: Edward Mishaud
Editors: Yunshi (Daisy) Liang & Natalie Alexander
Social Media: Yunshi (Daisy) Liang & Natalie Alexander
Production: Natalie Alexander, Edward Mishaud, Marlène Borlant, Evgeniya Altukhova, Tiffany Verga, Yunshi (Daisy) Liang.
Social media image: Wirestock.
Produced at the UN Library & Archives Geneva