
People Managing People
The People Managing People podcast, hosted by David Rice, aims to inspire people leaders, managers, and HR professionals as they build the workplace of the future and develop the talent it needs to thrive. Our guests are innovators and thought leaders exploring topics ranging from technology to performance management, workplace culture and employee experience.
Latest episodes

Jul 1, 2025 • 21min
From Values to Behaviors: How to Build a Culture of Candor
Candor is easy to value and hard to operationalize. It takes more than writing "feedback" on a poster and hoping people magically feel safe being honest. In this episode, I talk to Valentina Gissin, Chief People Officer at Garner Health, about how her team institutionalizes candor and turns culture into lived behavior—not empty slogans.We dig into radical practices like publishing peer and upward feedback company-wide, cultural onboarding through case studies, and pushing back against the illusion of "culture fit" during hiring. Valentina also shares what she carried over (and what she left behind) from her time at Bridgewater, one of the most studied and controversial company cultures in corporate America.This conversation is a blueprint for any leader asking the hard question: how do we make our culture real at scale?Related Links:Join the People Managing People community forumSubscribe to the newsletter to get our latest articles and podcastsConnect with Valentina on LinkedInCheck out Garner HealthSupport the show

Jun 24, 2025 • 37min
The New Manager Playbook: How to Lead with Clarity and Confidence
Most new managers aren't failing because they're bad at the job. They're failing because no one ever told them what the job actually is.In this episode, David talks with Lia Garvin, author of The New Manager Playbook, about the real barriers keeping new managers from delivering results. It's not a lack of ambition or intelligence. It's a complete absence of clear expectations, practical support, and trust—from both directions.They unpack why performance reviews so often feel arbitrary, how workplace surveillance backfires, and why calling your team a "family" is setting everyone up for disappointment. Whether you're newly promoted or managing the managers, this episode will reframe how you think about delegation, accountability, and what it really takes to lead.Related Links:Join the People Managing People community forumSubscribe to the newsletter to get our latest articles and podcastsConnect with Lia on LinkedInCheck out Lia’s book: The New Manager Playbook and the Managing Made Simple podcastSupport the show

Jun 17, 2025 • 20min
From Government to Growth: Lessons in HR Leadership Across Sectors
Transitioning from the public sector to private HR isn't just a career move—it's a full-on culture shock. In this episode, Kimberly Williams, VP of People, Culture & Compliance at Walker Advertising, joins David to unpack her journey from federal HR to private enterprise, sharing hard-won lessons, surprising similarities, and the real stakes of navigating both worlds.From managing bureaucracy to confronting toxic leadership, Kimberly offers candid insights into what translates, what doesn't, and how HR professionals can advocate for fairness in any environment.Related Links:Join the People Managing People community forumSubscribe to the newsletter to get our latest articles and podcastsCheck out this episode’s sponsor: Oyster HR, Inc.Connect with Kimberly on LinkedInCheck out Walker Advertising and End Workplace AbuseSupport the show

Jun 10, 2025 • 29min
The Tech Talent Shift: Navigating AI, DEI, and Next-Gen Workforce Demands
What do tech hiring, Olympic figure skating, and the shifting tides of global work culture have in common? According to Ann Kuss, CEO of Outstaff Your Team, more than you'd think. In this episode, Ann joins David Rice to dissect the rapidly evolving landscape of tech talent: who's winning, who's losing, and why so many companies are still playing yesterday's game with today's rules. From the rise of AI-native roles to the global appetite for remote work, Ann unpacks the contradictions shaping how we recruit, retain, and reskill in 2025 and beyond.David and Ann explore the dual realities in tech hiring: one where AI-driven skillsets command premium salaries, and another where traditional roles face declining value and shrinking budgets. They also dig into the elusive promise of cognitive diversity, the myth of the "perfect skill fit," and why Gen Z talent won't be lured by ping pong tables and kombucha anymore.Related Links:Join the People Managing People community forumSubscribe to the newsletter to get our latest articles and podcastsCheck out this episode’s sponsor: Oyster HR, Inc.Connect with Ann on LinkedInCheck out Outstaff Your TeamSupport the show

Jun 3, 2025 • 24min
Offsites Are the New Office: How to Drive Connection and Alignment in a Distributed World
Jared Kleinert, founder and CEO of Offsite, shares insights on the growing importance of team retreats in today’s distributed work environment. As remote and hybrid models become the norm, retreats have evolved from perks to essential strategies for keeping teams connected, aligned, and engaged.Jared emphasizes that planning intentional offsites is crucial for retaining talent and fostering a strong company culture. The conversation explores how to design effective retreats by setting clear business goals and measuring impact through feedback and engagement metrics.Related Links:Join the People Managing People community forumSubscribe to the newsletter to get our latest articles and podcastsConnect with Jared on LinkedInCheck out OffsiteSupport the show

May 27, 2025 • 24min
Authenticity or Bust: Why Performative Values Don't Work Anymore
Kelly Meerbott, CEO of YOU: Loud and Clear, dives into the growing disconnect between the C-suite and everyday employees, exposing how middle managers become "human shock absorbers" caught between corporate pressures and workforce realities. She calls out performative leadership and urges executives to prioritize coherence over charisma, advocating for leaders who genuinely embody their values rather than just posting them online.Kelly also challenges traditional ideas around gender and leadership, encouraging women to replace "niceness" with "ferocious kindness" — honest, empathetic communication that fosters trust and drives results. This candid conversation offers powerful insights for leaders ready to move beyond outdated paradigms and build authentic, courageous connections with their teams.Related Links:Join the People Managing People community forumSubscribe to the newsletter to get our latest articles and podcastsConnect with Kelly on LinkedInCheck out Kelly’s websiteSupport the show

May 20, 2025 • 28min
How Tone-Deaf Leadership Is Undermining Hybrid Work (And What to Do About It)
Many leaders still cling to outdated management styles focused on visible productivity rather than actual outcomes, despite a dramatic shift toward distributed teams. Brian Elliott, CEO of Work Forward, explains how the rise of hybrid work and AI tools highlights the need for outcomes-based management, rather than "productivity theater."Brian also points out that return-to-office mandates often miss the mark, as workplace flexibility remains essential for attracting and retaining top talent. This conversation challenges traditional views on managing distributed teams and offers practical advice for fostering effective, outcome-driven organizations in today’s hybrid work environment.Related Links:Join the People Managing People community forumSubscribe to the newsletter to get our latest articles and podcastsCheck out this episode’s sponsor: Oyster HR, Inc.Connect with Brian on LinkedInCheck out Brian’s newsletter on Substack: Work ForwardSupport the show

May 13, 2025 • 28min
AI at Work: Why Businesses Need a New Playbook
Steve Cadigan, a talent advisor and former CHRO of LinkedIn, joins us to discuss the challenges and opportunities of integrating AI into today’s workplace. We explore how the AI revolution stands apart from past technological shifts due to its unpredictability and ongoing development, leaving even its creators both excited and uncertain about its future.We also dive into the key question: How is your organization embracing AI? Are you fostering a culture of experimentation and innovation, or just focusing on cost-cutting? The way businesses approach AI could be the difference between leveraging it as a competitive advantage or letting it slip by as a missed opportunity.Related Links:Join the People Managing People community forumSubscribe to the newsletter to get our latest articles and podcastsCheck out this episode’s sponsor: Oyster HR, Inc.Connect with Steve on LinkedInCheck out Cadigan Talent VenturesSupport the show

May 6, 2025 • 34min
Why Middle Managers Struggle—And How to Set Them Up for Success
The shift from managing individual contributors to overseeing other managers is one of the toughest transitions in leadership. Chris Williams, former Microsoft HR VP, explores why this change is so challenging and how organizations can better support these key leaders.Chris dives into the unique struggles faced by second-level managers, including finding mentorship and translating vague strategic objectives into actionable plans. He emphasizes the importance of building influence across organizational boundaries through genuine connections with colleagues, which proves invaluable during tough decisions. This episode offers practical advice for those navigating this difficult leadership transition.Related Links:Join the People Managing People community forumSubscribe to the newsletter to get our latest articles and podcastsConnect with Chris on LinkedInCheck out Chris’ websiteSupport the show

Apr 29, 2025 • 45min
Is HR a Job in Politics?
Workplaces have become battlegrounds for political ideologies, with DEI initiatives at the center of controversy. In this episode, host David Rice speaks with Enrique Rubio, founder of Hacking HR, about the dangers of political polarization in organizations and why leaders must take a stand.Enrique challenges listeners to move beyond acronyms and see DEI for what it truly represents—fair treatment and opportunity for all. He provides practical advice for HR professionals on setting boundaries, fostering community, and creating workplaces where civil discourse thrives. As political pressures mount, this conversation asks an essential question: What values will define your leadership?Related Links:Join the People Managing People community forumSubscribe to the newsletter to get our latest articles and podcastsConnect with Enrique on LinkedInCheck out Hacking HRSupport the show