The Safety of Work
David Provan
Do you know the science behind what works and doesn’t work when it comes to keeping people safe in your organisation? Each week join Dr Drew Rae and Dr David Provan from the Safety Science Innovation Lab at Griffith University as they break down the latest safety research and provide you with practical management tips.
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May 2, 2021 • 30min
Ep.72 How visible is high-vis clothing?
We came across this topic, because of a conversation happening on LinkedIn. Thus, we thought it would be a good idea to dig into this subject and discuss it further.Listen in as we discuss what actually makes humans most visible in unsafe situations and what some studies have concluded. Topics:Why the results between lab and natural environments vary.How studies determine visibility.Which colors are best for high visibility.What makes humans most visible.Using high-vis colors to identify objects and humans.Practical takeaways. Quotes:“The general goal of this, is they just want to compare a whole heap of different factors.”“The ability to just spot high-vis and the ability to spot a human wearing high-vis, seem to be actually two different mental tasks.”“There’s been some suggestion in the research that we should actually standardize a human high-vis color.” Resources:The Roles of Garment Design and Scene Complexity in the Daytime Conspicuity of High-Visibility Safety ApparelFeedback@safetyofwork.com

Apr 18, 2021 • 45min
Ep.71 Do double checks improve safety?
This topic came directly from our Safety of Work portal, which you can locate on our LinkedIn page. Rhys Thomas was good enough to submit this topic and also provided us with some great resources.Join us as we dive into this topic and decide whether double-check policies help improve safety. Topics:What double-checking is.The difference between a practice and mandatory policy.Armitage and his history of papers regarding the medical field.Deference to authority.Formal risk assessment and internal risk assessment.Independent checking.What the evidence shows.Practical takeaways. Quotes:“How do you know whether an error has happened, if no one notices it?”“I think you’re doing a good job of qualitative research, if readers want to then go and actually read the raw data.”“And I am completely unwilling to say, ‘This is a bad practice, we should get rid of it’ until we’ve got the evidence.” Resources:Double Checking Medicines: Defence Against Error or Contributory Factor?Feedback@safetyofwork.comSafety of Work on LinkedIn

Apr 4, 2021 • 53min
Ep.70 Is OHS management a profession?
So, on today’s episode, we discuss Occupational Health and Safety management and if it can be considered a profession. We’d love to hear from our international listeners if our findings match their experiences. Topics:Making generalizations about work across Australia.Collecting and defining OHS knowledge.Three broad criteria for defining a profession.Defining a role and career path.The OHS body of knowledge.Claim over decisions.Technical problems and social problems.How to define a professional organization and determine which is the premiere org for your profession.Do you need to be part of a professional organization?Why there need to be professional education programs.Practical takeaways. Quotes: “A profession should have an established hierarchy, it should have some consistency in role titles, and it should have a career path.”“We’ve got this wonderful project called the body of knowledge, but in the professional sense, we don’t have a stable body of knowledge; we have a really contested body of knowledge…”“Either you put up barriers to entry and say ‘safety work should only be done by recognized professionals’. Or you say ‘we want to grow as an organization and anyone can be a recognized professional, just send us the cash’. And either way, you end up diluting what it means to be recognized as a safety professional.” Resources:The Emergence of the Occupational Health and Safety Profession in AustraliaFeedback@safetyofwork.com

Mar 21, 2021 • 30min
Ep.69 Do safety in design processes change the design?
Russell is a safety practitioner based in New Zealand. He joins us to tell us about his work and together we wonder if safety and design processes change the design itself. Topics:Is safety and design effective?Risk shuffling.Russell’s key findings.The hierarchy of controls.The proper use of safety and design.Evaluating design to minimize risk.Practical advice from Russell. Quotes:“We don’t always have opportunities in safety science to get some objective artifacts…”“I’ve never heard of a designer saying they’ve got plenty of time and a ton of budget, so let’s, you know, get down and optimize for safety.”“And if we start by listing the operations before we list the hazards or risks, then we’re going to be in a much better place.” Resources:Russell McMullan on LinkedInFeedback@safetyofwork.com

Mar 7, 2021 • 56min
Ep. 68 Are safety cases an impending crisis?
The discussion dives into the looming crisis surrounding safety cases and their effectiveness. Topics include the burden of proof shifting and the paradox of identifying hazards. The podcast explores data-sharing challenges and the significance of turning motivations into testable theories. Collaboration is highlighted as essential for improving safety processes, while the need for rigorous research methods is emphasized. Ultimately, it questions if safety cases enhance safety or lead to overconfidence in hazardous industries.

Feb 21, 2021 • 47min
Ep.67 How to constructively resolve an argument about safety theory?
The podcast explores the importance of constructive dialogue in safety theory debates. It discusses finding original sources, understanding context, and the balance between old and new safety ideas. Emphasizes the need to move debates forward with knowledge and evidence, avoiding dismissing entire fields or theories.

Feb 14, 2021 • 56min
Ep.66 What is the full story of just culture (part 3)?
The final chapters cover such issues as creating functional reporting systems and the pitfalls in creating such systems. Topics:Creating a solid reporting system.At what point does something become an incident?Voluntary vs. mandatory reporting.When your organization is facing prosecution.How reporting gets stifled.The problem with penalties.Looking after all parties involved in incidents.The outcomes safety professionals want.Practical takeaways. Quotes:“I think this is the struggle with those sort of systems, is that if they are used frequently, then it becomes a very normal thing...but that means that people are using that channel instead of using the line management as their channel…”“I think unless we work for a regulator, we need to remind ourselves that it’s not actually our job, either, to run the prosecution or even to help the prosecution.”“If you think your system is fair, then you should be proud of explaining to people exactly how it works.” Resources:Just CultureFeedback@safetyofwork.com

Feb 7, 2021 • 55min
Ep.65 What is the full story of just culture (part 2)?
In this installment, we cover more chapters from Sidney Dekker’s book about just culture. Last week we covered the core ideas of just culture. This week, we go over retributive and restorative culture and the impetus behind rule-breaking. Topics:The problem with rewarding good behavior.How a retributive system functions.The standard for risk assessment.How restorative culture functions.Why sharing experiences is key.What is expected under a solid restorative justice system.Understanding rule-breakers.How the book fails to properly dissect rule-breaking.Practical takeaways. Quotes:“If our purpose is to make a better workplace, then we need a system that for most people, most of the time, it’s doing a good job.”“When we talk about safety, we’re not talking about elements of a typical criminal offense; we’re talking about things that in the criminal courts would be talking about negligence. Which is all about meeting acceptable standards.”“Sidney emphasizes a lot the importance of all stakeholders to share their stories with each other.” Resources:Just CultureFeedback@safetyofwork.com

Jan 31, 2021 • 50min
Ep, 64 What is the full story of just culture (part 1)?
For the next few weeks, we are going to cover ‘just culture’ and focus mainly on Sidney Dekker’s book of the same name.The laws currently on the books encourage businesses to focus on liability instead of actual safety. By focusing on culpability for an accident, this is a way for businesses to get out of compensating the worker for injury. This is just some of what we will discuss today. Topics:Safety theory vs. safety practice.Safety culture and the Swiss Cheese Model.Updates in the third edition.The definition of just culture.To whom you apply the process and why it’s important.Listening and actually hearing.Systemic and individual action.Can an individual be too much of a danger?Preventing unnecessary blame.What to expect from this series of episodes.Practical takeaways. Quotes:“We both know that Dekker a bit of a problem...a bit of a habit of being pretty harsh about how he characterizes some of the older safety practices.”“The ability of people to tell their stories and have those stories heard by all the other stakeholders, is a key part of restorative justice.”“We’re all in the same boat, we’re all, after that accident, have an individual responsibility to stop this happening again by making the system better.” Resources:Just CultureFeedback@safetyofwork.com

Jan 24, 2021 • 48min
Ep. 63 How subjective is technical risk assessment?
As risk assessment is such a central topic in the world of safety science, we thought we would dedicate another episode to discussing a facet of this subject. We loop back to risk matrices and determine how to score risks.Join us as we try to determine the subjectivity of risk assessment and the pitfalls of such an endeavor. Topics:Risk matrices.Why the paper we reference is a trustworthy source.Scoring risks.How objective are we?How to interpret risk scores.What the risk-rating is dependent upon.Practical takeaways. Quotes:“The difference between an enumeration and a quantitative value is that enumeration has an order attached to it. So it let’s us say that ‘this thing is more than that thing.’ ““I think this was a good way of seeing whether the differences or alignment happened in familiar activities or unfamiliar activities. Because then you can sort of get an idea into the process, as well as the shared knowledge of the group…”“So, what we see is, if you stick to a single organization and eliminate the outliers, you’ve still got a wide spread of scores on every project.”“We’re already trying pretty hard and if we’re still not converging on a common answer, then I think we need to rethink the original assumption that there is a common answer that can be found…” Resources:Are We Objective?Risk Perceptions & Decision-Making in the Water IndustryFeedback@safetyofwork.com


