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Ashley Hales and Anjuli Paschal talk about what it looks like to stay in our emotions and bring them to Jesus, how to stay with others in the midst of racial tensions, political polarization, and the pandemic.Be sure to catch up: Episodes 50-55 all deal with emotional health (listen here)Tell us what you want to hear! 2 MINUTE SURVEY HERE.LINKSAnjuli’s website: https://www.anjulipaschall.com/Follow Anj on Instagram here: https://www.instagram.com/lovealways.anjuli/Anjuli’s book: Stay https://amzn.to/2D3coMLSHAREEmotions aren’t your enemy. @lovealways.anjuli @aahales #findingholypodcastStaying is being attentive to God and my emotions. Resistance can tell you so much about what is going on in your soul. @lovealways.anjuli @aahales #findingholypodcastFeelings are gifts point us to the conditions of our heart. @lovealways.anjuli @aahales #findingholypodcast“Tell me your experience” is a great way to start on conversations with race. @lovealways.anjuli @aahales #findingholypodcastIt’s vulnerable to ask. It’s vulnerable to listen. It’s vulnerable to speak. @lovealways.anjuli @aahales #findingholypodcastHealing can start at our dinner tables. @lovealways.anjuli @aahales #findingholypodcastONE SMALL STEPWhat are you resistant to doing? Feelings are gifts point us to the condition of our heart. If resistance is a gift to you, try going there for just 5 minutes a day. After you brush your teeth, take 5 minutes for a resistance check-in. What have you resisted throughout your day? Bring those emotions to God and trust the Holy Spirit to teach you to welcome resistance as a gift.SUBSCRIBE AND SHARE! We’d love it if you could subscribe to the Finding Holy Podcast and tell your friends!We're taking a little break...We’ll be back in the middle of August for Season 4 of The Finding Holy Podcast on the Upside-Down Kingdom in a Divided World. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ashley Hales and Rebecca Brewster Stevenson talk about waiting on God, what that looks like in Covid-19, and how to practically deal with your emotions.Other applicable episodes: Episode 46 with Meredith McDaniel on God’s steadfastness, Episode 38 with Laura Wifler and Emily Jensen on a scaffolding for faithfulness, and Episode 35 on loneliness and the common good.Tell us what you want to hear! 2 MINUTE SURVEY HERE.LINKSRebecca’s website: https://rebeccabrewsterstevenson.com/Rebecca’s book, Wait: https://amzn.to/3j1s5EMSHARE“Waiting is always the absence of the ability to make something happen.” @rebeccabrewsterstevenson @rbstevenson1 @aahales on #findingholypodcast“There is a lament and grief to waiting.” @rebeccabrewsterstevenson @rbstevenson1 @aahales on #findingholypodcast“Make space to grieve. Make time.” @rebeccabrewsterstevenson @rbstevenson1 @aahales on #findingholypodcast“The God of the universe wants to hear from me about the needs of the world.” @rebeccabrewsterstevenson @rbstevenson1 @aahales on #findingholypodcast“Look past the thing you want to the God who is doing a thing.” @rebeccabrewsterstevenson @rbstevenson1 @aahales on #findingholypodcastONE SMALL STEPHave a couch moment. As you pass through your home, sit down on the couch. Check in with your body and your emotions: Are you feeling dejected, anxious, are you leaking your emotions all over your family or the internet? Check in. Bring those in prayer to God.SUBSCRIBE AND SHARE! We’d love it if you could subscribe to the Finding Holy Podcast and tell your friends! Don’t forget to fill out that survey to help out: 2 MINUTE SURVEY HERE. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ashley Hales and Aundi Kolber talk about Aundi's new book, Try Softer, and emotional health now.Aundi Kolber is a Licensed Professional Counselor (MA LPC), writer, and speaker in Castle Rock, Colorado. She specializes in trauma- and body-centered therapies and is passionate about the integration of faith and psychology. Connect with Aundi at aundikolber.com, on Facebook at aundikolberwrites, and on Instagram at aundikolberTell us what you want to hear! 2 MINUTE SURVEY HERE. LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS, GOOGLE PODCASTS and MEGAPHONE.FM or your favorite podcast-listening app.Other applicable episodes: Episode 51 with K.J. Ramsey on suffering on hope, Episode 18 on talking about race with Cara Meredith, and Episode 52 on transforming ordinary losses with Stephanie Lobdell.LINKSAundi’s book, Try Softer: https://amzn.to/3fanxtoAundi’s website: https://aundikolber.com/Aundi on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/aundikolber/Faithful Counseling link for FInding Holy listeners:SHAREWe need to create more language around trauma. Try Softer is the response. @aundikolber with @aahales on #findingholypodcastTry Softer allows our bodies to soften into the grace of wholeness. @aundikolber with @aahales on #findingholypodcastCompassion is a softened posture. It allows us to ask: is this in alignment with who I am? @aundikolber with @aahales on #findingholypodcastTaking a break is a form of resilience. @aundikolber and @aahales on #findingholypodcastONE SMALL STEPAs an ending prayer for your day — a sort of prayer of Examen — notice where you were outside of your window of tolerance. Instead of shaming yourself notice, too, what can help ground you and keep you in your window of tolerance. Things like nature, moving your body, times of silence or beauty, might be some things you choose. Write down three and choose to follow them this week as life-giving gifts (not a list of "shoulds", “or else.”).SUBSCRIBE AND SHARE! We’d love it if you could subscribe to the Finding Holy Podcast and tell your friends! Don’t forget to fill out that survey to help out: 2 MINUTE SURVEY HERE. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ashley Hales and Stephanie Lobdell talk about loss shaming, church hurt, and we can lean into a narrative of hope in practical ways right now.Rev. Stephanie Lobdell, MDiv, is a pastor and writer. She served as co-lead pastor with her husband, Tommy, for ten years and is now the Campus Pastor at Mount Vernon Nazarene University in Ohio. She is the author of Signs of Life: Resurrecting Hope out of Ordinary Losses and co-author of Lenten Postcards. Stephanie and Tommy have two children, Josephine and Jack.Other applicable episodes: Episode 51 with K.J. Ramsey on suffering on hope, Episode 36 with Richella Parham on Life behind Lifehack Answers, and Episode 22 with Catherine McNiel on Hope in Chaos.LINKSStephanie Lobdell’s website: http://www.stephanielobdell.com/Stephanie’s book: Signs of Life: https://amzn.to/2ZAmAnO2 MINUTE SURVEY about the podcast HERESHARERight now it feels like a feverpitch of loss. @srdlobdell and @aahales on #findingholypodcastWhat does the resurrection mean for us now? God breaks in to creation. @srdlobdell and @aahales on #findingholypodcast“I love Jesus but I’m not willing to lie about what hurts.” @srdlobdell and @aahales on #findingholypodcast“You cannot hustle your way to wholeness or resurrection.” @srdlobdell and @aahales on #findingholypodcastONE SMALL STEPPractice keeping a pen and paper list of your losses (your ordinary ones as well as the large ones) with a corresponding gratitude list. It’ll be a way to move through rather than around pain and loss. This is how we practice resurrection.SUBSCRIBE AND SHARE! We’d love it if you could subscribe to the Finding Holy Podcast and tell your friends! Don’t forget to fill out that survey to help out: 2 MINUTE SURVEY HERE — and you’ll get a chance to win a copy of my book, Finding Holy in the Suburbs! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ashley Hales and K.J. Ramsey talk about loss and suffering as an invitation to God and community.K.J. RAMSEY (BA, Covenant College; MA, Denver Seminary) is a licensed professional counselor, writer, and recovering idealist who believes sorrow and joy coexist. Her writing has been published in Christianity Today, Relevant, The Huffington Post, Fathom Magazine, Health Central, and other publications on the integration of theology, psychology, and spiritual formation. She and her husband live in Denver, Colorado. Follow K.J.’s writing at kjramsey.com and across social media at @kjramseywrites.Tell us what you want to hear! 2 MINUTE SURVEY HERE — and you’ll get a chance to win a copy of my book, Finding Holy in the Suburbs!LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS, GOOGLE PODCASTS and MEGAPHONE.FM or your favorite podcast-listening app.Other applicable episodes: Episode 42 on Cultivating Hope with Lore Ferguson Wilbert, Episode 48 with Risen Motherhood’s Laura Wifler and Emily Jensen on a Scaffolding for Faithfulness, and Episode 19 with Aubrey Sampson on lament.LINKSK.J’s book, This Too Shall Last: https://amzn.to/37XpAhKK.J.’s website: http://kjramsey.com/K.J.’s podcast, This Too Shall Last: http://kjramsey.com/podcastFollow K.J. Ramsey on Instagram and Twitter.SPECIAL OFFER: Counseling with Faithful Counseling — get 10% off your first session here: getfaithful.com/findingholy.SHARE“Our suffering is an invitation to turn and see our suffering Savior.” @kjramseywritesBeing more present to the moment we’re in enables us to dwell in peace and extend peace to others. @kjramseywrites“We weren’t made for pain. We were made for love.” @kjramseywritesBear witness to what you feel and experience. That’s showing hospitality to yourself. @kjramseywrites“Suffering is an invitation to wake up to a God who is here.” @kjramseywritesONE SMALL STEPPay attention to your overwhelm and note where what triggers it. Practice praying a breath prayer in moments of overwhelm. Try a few lines from a psalm, such as “The Lord is my shepherd” (breathe in), “I shall not want, (breathe out).SUBSCRIBE AND SHARE! We’d love it if you could subscribe to the Finding Holy Podcast and tell your friends! Don’t forget to fill out that survey to help out: 2 MINUTE SURVEY HERE — and you’ll get a chance to win a copy of my book, Finding Holy in the Suburbs! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ashley Hales and Heather Caliri talk about anxiety, vulnerability and church and what to do about it from a Christian perspective.Heather Caliri is a writer and artist who is happily content with being an awkward Christian. Tired of anxiety controlling your life? Try her mini-course, “Five Tiny Ideas for Managing Anxiety," for free here.LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS, GOOGLE PODCASTS and MEGAPHONE.FM or your favorite podcast-listening app.Other applicable episodes: episode 49 on hustle, episode 21 on mental illness and a Christian imagination, and episode 37 on ovewhelm and a rule of life.LINKSHeather course: https://www.heathercaliri.com/anxiety/Heather’s website: https://www.heathercaliri.com/Follow Heather on Instagram: @heathercaliriSPECIAL OFFER: Counseling with Faithful Counseling — get 10% off your first session here: getfaithful.com/findingholy.SHARE“There was this awkwardness where my insides didn’t match up with where I thought I should be.” @heathercaliri #findingholypodcastAnxiety often presents itself in the word, “enough.” If I just did that, then that would be enough.” @heathercaliri on #findingholypodcast“We feel awkward and so we stop asking questions. Awkward places are a place of invitation.” @heathercaliri #findingholypodcastNaming brings order out of chaos. @aahales @heathercaliri on #anxiety #findingholypodcastONE SMALL STEPWe’re all experiencing a level of anxiety during a global pandemic and during national turmoil.Here’s a 5-minute check-in:1. Pay attention to your body. Where do you feel tension? What is tight or hurting?2. Ask yourself curiosity questions. Use phrases like “I wonder what that’s about…”3. Bring these to God in prayer.4. Ask asking this, we can start formulating next steps — and ask about how about who to invite into our overwhelm, how to share, and how we need help.SUBSCRIBE AND SHARE! We’d love it if you could subscribe to the Finding Holy Podcast and tell your friends! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this conversation Ashley Hales and Daniel Im talk about hustle culture and what the lies about our work tell us about our souls.LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS, GOOGLE PODCASTS and MEGAPHONE.FM or your favorite podcast-listening app.LINKSDaniel’s book, You Are What You Do: https://amzn.to/2UvwwxcDaniel’s website: https://www.danielim.com/New Churches Q&A Podcast: https://www.danielim.com/new-churches-qa-podcast/The ImBetween Podcast: https://www.danielim.com/imbetweenpodcast/SPECIAL OFFER: Counseling with Faithful Counseling — get 10% off your first session here: getfaithful.com/findingholy.SHAREListen to Daniel Im on the gig economy and how it shapes our souls on #findingholypodcast @danielsangi“The lie of the gig economy is a life of freedom and absolute control.” @danielsangi“I wonder if this is God’s moment to attack the consumeristic impulses of Western Christianity.” @danielsangi on #findingholypodcast“We can actually use these lies as conversation starters with people.” #findingholypodcastONE SMALL STEPPositive self-talk is a bandage, Daniel reminds us. Ask yourself some questions when you think of all the lies you are believing: Where did that start? How do I feel? Then take those laments to Jesus.Then, practice reading through the Psalms as a pattern of reorientation. Practice spending time with Jesus before you scroll or read the news.SUBSCRIBE AND SHARE! We’d love it if you could subscribe to the Finding Holy Podcast and tell your friends! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We talk about empathy, trauma, care for the sexually abused, and telling your story. Please note we talk about sexual abuse in this episode. But do know that the conversation is full of grace and aware of trauma and the healing of God. We talk what the church can do, too.LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS, GOOGLE PODCASTS and MEGAPHONE.FM or your favorite podcast-listening app.LINKSMary DeMuth’s book, We Too: How the Church can Respond Redemptively to the Sexual Abuse Crisis: https://amzn.to/2Wu8vbbMary’s site: https://www.marydemuth.com/Resources for pastors from Mary: https://www.wetoo.org/resources/Mary’s podcast: https://www.marydemuth.com/pray-every-day-podcast/SPECIAL OFFER: Counseling with Faithful Counseling — get 10% off your first session here: getfaithful.com/findingholy.SHARE“The church has been my avenue of healing.” @marydemuth on the #findingholypodcast #wetoo #metoo“This journey has been fits and starts, trauma therapy, and underneath it all is this dogged desire to be whole.” @marydemuth on #findingholypodcast“What I would love to hear is survivor stories from the pulpit” @marydemuth #findingholypodcast“To work through the trauma that resides within you: Be tender with yourself.” @marydemuth #findingholypodcast“My spiritual habits of my sabbatical have served me during Covid-19.” @marydemuth #findingholypodcastONE SMALL STEPThis week’s small step is to practice the prayer Mary prayed. Here it is: “I can’t. You can. Please help.” This might be a great companion as you think about your own story and moments when you need God’s provision and help.You might want to start by telling your story to a licensed counselor. My friends over at Faithful Counseling offer a special discount for Finding Holy listeners. Get that here.SUBSCRIBE AND SHARE! We’d love it if you could subscribe to the Finding Holy Podcast and tell your friends! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Leslie Leyland Fields and I chat about place and how and why our stories matter. When the world has been upended by COVID-19, maybe some gentle writing practices might help you recover yourself and help you live into the questions.Leslie Leyland Fields is the multi-award winning author/editor of twelve books. Her newest isYour Story Matters: Finding, Writing and Living the Truth of Your Life which includes an 8-part RightNow Media DVD series filmed with Ann Voskamp. Her other books include Crossing the Waters: Following Jesus through the Storms, the Fish, the Doubt and the Seas, which won Christianity Today's 2017 Book Award in Christian Living. (And is also available as a DVD video series) and The Wonder Years: 40 Women Over 40 on Aging, Faith, Beauty and Strength.LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS, GOOGLE PODCASTS and MEGAPHONE.FM or your favorite podcast-listening app. LINKSLeslie’s site: http://www.leslieleylandfields.com/Join in on Leslie’s class that goes through her book for FREE: https://books.thedisciplemaker.org/why-your-story-matters/Leslie’s newest book, Your Story Matters and available at NavPress.Harvester Island Writers Workshop: http://www.leslieleylandfields.com/harvester-island-writers-workshopSPECIAL OFFER: Counseling with Faithful Counseling — get 10% off your first session here: getfaithful.com/findingholy.SHAREThere’s so many ways to attend to our places and our stories. @leslielfields on #findingholypodcastWriting comes out of both silence and space. @leslielfields on #findingholypodcastI never thought I would write a writing book. @leslielfields on #findingholypodcastWriting is more than recording, but is a way to ask a lot of questions. @leslielfields on #findingholypodcastONE SMALL STEPUse one of Leslie’s prompts: For once I want to tell the truth about ___________. Use it to word seek into it. Set a timer for 10 minutes. Don’t think about what comes out. Pursue God, the logos and truth and wait to see what new understanding comes from that.SUBSCRIBE AND SHARE! We’d love it if you could subscribe to the Finding Holy Podcast and tell your friends! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

How do we live when circumstances are wonderful or when we’re in the middle of anxiety and fear? Meredith McDaniel, author of In Want + Plenty and invites us into spiritual practices to sustain our weariness, increase our vulnerability, be a real community, and see the provision of God.LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS, GOOGLE PODCASTS and MEGAPHONE.FM or your favorite podcast-listening app. LINKSMeredith’s site: https://www.meredithmcdaniel.com/Her book, In Want + Plenty: https://amzn.to/3adGyrBMorning pages, an idea from Julia Cameron’s The Artist’s Way: https://amzn.to/3cl72JhA new podcast, Everything just Changed with Bryce Hales and Brad EdwardsSHARE“We need eyes to see how heaven is meeting earth, every single day.” @meredith_mcdaniel @aahales on #findingholypodcast“We need to slow down, pay attention to our bodies and reach out.” @meredith_mcdaniel @aahales on #findingholypodcastWe need to look back and trace God’s hand. We start to find our “manna moments” and we can point to God’s hand in our story. @meredith_mcdaniel and @aahales on #findingholypodcastLife is hard and God is good. We need embodied practices. @meredith_mcdaniel and @aahales on #findingholypodcastONE SMALL STEPPause in your morning. Turn off the news. From the first second of your day, surrender your day to God and ask to hear from him. Borrow Suzanne Stabile’s question, “What is mine to do today?”Consider how you can share your own search for “manna” with others.SUBSCRIBE AND SHARE! We’d love it if you could subscribe to the Finding Holy Podcast and tell your friends! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices