
World Class
Podcast from the Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies (FSI) at Stanford University, featuring Director Michael McFaul, former U.S. Ambassador to Russia. Mike and our scholars dive into critical international issues, offering insights into the history and context of the biggest stories in the news.
Latest episodes

Oct 5, 2018 • 24min
Improving Black Men's Health in a Single Step
African American men have the lowest life expectancy of any major demographic group in the U.S. The reasons for this are many and complex, but new research from FSI's Stanford Health Policy suggests that there may be a straightforward solution: hiring doctors who look like the patients they're treating. Dr. Marcella Alsan, an associate professor of medicine at Stanford Health Policy, and her research partner, Dr. Owen Garrick, President and CEO of Bridge Clinical Research, join host Michael McFaul to discuss the reasons behind the health disparities for African American men; the theory, ethics and outcomes of their study; and what their findings should mean for the future of health care.
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Sep 12, 2018 • 1h 23min
Who Won the Trump-Kim Summit?
President Trump says the nuclear threat is behind us, but do the experts agree? Gi-Wook Shin, Scott Sagan, Kathleen Stephens, and Michael McFaul tell us about the winners and losers from the 2018 U.S.-North Korean Summit, what we should worry about, what denuclearization really means, and the eternal question: what comes next?
Kathleen Stephens is the former U.S. ambassador to South Korea and a William J. Perry fellow at FSI. Scott Sagan has authored many books and articles on nuclear weapons as a senior fellow at FSI’s Center for International Security and Cooperation. Gi-Wook Shin founded the Korea Program at FSI’s Shorenstein Asia-Pacific Research Center, which he directs. In addition to hosting World Class, Michael McFaul is the former U.S. ambassador to Russia and current director of FSI.
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Aug 3, 2018 • 22min
Michael McFaul: When Geopolitics Gets Personal
What’s it like to have a dictator after you? In the wake of Vladimir Putin’s “request” to interrogate former ambassador and World Class host Michael McFaul, the US public backlash was swift and strong. It’s extremely unlikely that McFaul will be asked to respond to Russian investigators - but many Americans were unnerved at the Trump administration’s response. Where do US-Russia relations stand in the aftermath of Helsinki? What are the practical implications for McFaul, and what will be the lasting impact for transgressing the diplomatic norms? Michael McFaul addresses all these questions in this candid conversation.
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Jul 27, 2018 • 20min
How to Make a New Country
It's not so easy to create a whole new country, and the world map is much more fixed than it used to be. While there are many secessionist and independence movements around the globe, the truth is that international powers are extremely reluctant to redraw borders. Where are the unrecognized states in the world, and what commonalities do they share? What happens when our normal understanding of "sovereignty" breaks down? In this conversation with FSI Deputy Director Kathryn Stoner, Joshua Keating shares stories from his new book, Invisible Countries: Journey’s to the Edge of Nationhood. Keating is a foreign policy analyst and a staff writer at Slate.
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Jul 20, 2018 • 22min
A Democracy Divided: The Roots of our Political Polarization
The gulf between right and left in America is widening by the day. How long has this been going on, and what can we learn by studying other Western democracies? Didi Kuo is an expert on democratization and political parties. She's a research scholar at the Center on Democracy, Development, and the Rule of Law at FSI, and she has a new book called, Clientelism, Capitalism, and Democracy: The Rise of Programmatic Politics in the United States and Britain.
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Jul 13, 2018 • 25min
When Your Government Doesn’t Want to Govern
The Venezuelan economy is disintegrating, yet president Nicolas Maduro has thus far been successful in squashing his political opposition. How has Maduro been able to remain in power, and what's the best-case scenario for Venezuela's future? We're joined today by Harold Trinkunas to examine the situation in Venezuela since the death of Hugo Chavez. Later in the conversation we also talk with Trinkunas about his book, Militants, Criminals, and Warlords: The Challenge of Local Governance in an Age of Disorder.
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Jul 6, 2018 • 1h 22min
Rebroadcast: Both Sides of The Border
Today's episode is a rebroadcast. In November of 2016, FSI's Center on Democracy, Development & The Rule of Law co-hosted a panel with Stanford's Center for Latin American studies. At this event, Latin scholars, students, and staff at Stanford explored what Donald Trump's election would mean on the US's southern border. Now, almost two years later the analysis and perspectives of our panelists continue to resonate.
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Jun 29, 2018 • 40min
Daniel Ellsberg on the continuing nuclear threat – from the US
Daniel Ellsberg is well-known for the Pentagon Papers, but few people realize he also has extensive experience with US nuclear weapons policy dating back to the 1950s and 60s. Last year, Ellsberg published a memoir called "The Doomsday Machine," where he argues that US developed immoral and dangerous policies during the Cold War, and that surprisingly little has changed in the years since. Ellsberg recently visited FSI’s Center for International Security and Cooperation (CISAC), where he participated in a Q&A about his new book.
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Jun 25, 2018 • 24min
Siegfried Hecker on Denuclearization
After the June 12th meeting between Kim Jong-un and Donald Trump, the US is pushing for rapid denuclearization. But, even in a best case scenario, what is a realistic timetable? And now that North Korea has nuclear military capabilities, how might the US encourage the North Koreans to develop nuclear energy for their electrical grid instead?
Dr. Siegfried Hecker is the former director of the Los Alamos National Laboratory, a senior fellow at FSI, and an expert on denuclearization. He is also the only American scientist to have toured North Korea’s nuclear plants for enriching uranium. In this timely conversation with FSI director Michael McFaul, Hecker explains the logistical challenges of denuclearization, how the North Korean case is different from Iran, and what scenarios to watch for as the US contemplates a new relationship with the North Koreans.
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Jun 22, 2018 • 28min
Robin Hood isn’t coming: Why democracies don’t always correct income inequality
As income inequality soars, we expect democracies to correct it with higher taxes on the rich. But time and again, the average voter rejects this idea at the ballot box. Why does this happen? In a country founded on the ideal that we are all equal, who gets to decide what’s fair? We talk with Professor Kenneth Scheve, an FSI senior fellow and professor of political science, about our ideas of fairness and how they impact the way our societies work.
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