

End-of-Life University
Karen Wyatt MD
Dr. Karen Wyatt, hospice physician and author of "7 Lessons for Living from the Dying," interviews experts on all aspects of the end-of-life, including: caring for the dying, funeral and burial practices, planning for the end-of-life, conscious dying, grief and loss, caregiver support, afterlife, death and the arts, and community initiatives to improve end-of-life care. Access show notes at www.eolupodcast.com
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Jun 2, 2025 • 1h 4min
Ep. 503 Taboo Education: Changing the Way We Talk About Death with Samantha Waite
Learn about breaking taboos around talking about death through a unique death education program in Australia.
My guest Samantha Waite is the quirky founding director of Taboo Education who works with individuals and groups in local, national (Australia) and international communities to resolve our taboo and confusion in talking about death. She is a long-time performing arts enthusiast as well as a trained counselor and youth worker with training in thanatology, psychotherapy and public health. She discusses some of the cultural differences around death and dying between the US and Australia and what Australia is doing right in terms of end-of-life care. Learn more at her website:
tabooeducation.com
Watch on YouTube
Listen here:
This episode includes:
How Samantha started Taboo Education
Why she chooses to dress in Victorian mourning clothes and how it serves her message
Why we sometimes wish people still wore mourning attire
Cultural differences between Australia and the U.S. in the death and funeral industry
Which countries have the best end-of-life care (and why some wealthy countries are failing)
Why the US is 43rd globally in providing care at end of life
Issues for healthcare providers around seeing death as a failure
The death doula movement in Australia
Links mentioned in this episode:
Sign up for Patreon to get access to Q&A Session on June8th!
NEW Gift Guides for Caregivers, People Receiving Care, and People Who are Grieving
Get my two newest books!! Stories from the Dark Night and The Tao of Death
Get EOLU Podcast Merch here
Conversations on Death with ChatGPT – Audiobook here; Print Book here
Leave me a message by email: kwyattmd@comcast.net, Twitter, Facebook or Instagram
Support your local bookstore by buying my books on Bookshop and Indiebound: 7 Lessons for Living from the Dying and The Journey from Ego to Soul
Subscribe to this podcast on Apple, Google, Spotify, iHeart Radio, Stitcher Radio
Check out the Series I’ve recorded in the past here
Join the team at Patreon.com/eolu and receive free gifts like the “Mind if we talk about death?” mini-poster or Love Your Life sticker or coffee mug. PLUS get our regular bonuses: the monthly EOL News Update, monthly What to Watch recommendations, Behind the Scenes Bonus content, and automatic access to A Year of Reading Dangerously!
Buy me a coffee
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If you enjoy this content please share it with others and consider leaving a review on iTunes. Thanks again to all supporters on my page at Patreon.com/eolu, and to Kristina Oswath, Christine Maleck, and Patricia Cates for donating on Paypal! Your contributions make all the difference and ensure this podcast stays ad-free.

May 26, 2025 • 1h 3min
Ep. 502 Just One Little Thing: Gratitude and Grief with Kelly Buckley
Learn how finding just one little thing to be thankful for every day can help us with grief.
My guest Kelly Buckley is the author of the book and founder of the movement called Just One Little Thing that has a loyal following worldwide. She is a registered nurse who now nurtures other souls who are dealing with grief. Her own story of journeying from the depths of grief by clinging to gratitude has inspired tens of thousands of people and her writings have been featured on sites such as Maria Shriver, the Huffington Post, Open to Hope, and Hello Grief. Learn more about her work at her website:
kellybuckley.com
Get the book here
Watch on YouTube
Listen here:
This episode includes:
Kelly’s experience with grief after the death of her son
What inspired her to start using gratitude as a practice for grief
The benefits of a gratitude practice
How to find gratitude on the darkest of days
Why practicing gratitude is not the same as “toxic positivity”
How a gratitude practice can improve self-care for healthcare professionals
Advice for getting through holidays and anniversaries
How to recognize signs from deceased loved ones
Links mentioned in this episode:
Get The Path: A Journal from Pain to Purpose
NEW Gift Guides for Caregivers, People Receiving Care, and People Who are Grieving
Get my two newest books!! Stories from the Dark Night and The Tao of Death
Get EOLU Podcast Merch here
Conversations on Death with ChatGPT – Audiobook here; Print Book here
Leave me a message by email: kwyattmd@comcast.net, Twitter, Facebook or Instagram
Support your local bookstore by buying my books on Bookshop and Indiebound: 7 Lessons for Living from the Dying and The Journey from Ego to Soul
Subscribe to this podcast on Apple, Google, Spotify, iHeart Radio, Stitcher Radio
Check out the Series I’ve recorded in the past here
Join the team at Patreon.com/eolu and receive free gifts like the “Mind if we talk about death?” mini-poster or Love Your Life sticker or coffee mug. PLUS get our regular bonuses: the monthly EOL News Update, monthly What to Watch recommendations, Behind the Scenes Bonus content, and automatic access to A Year of Reading Dangerously!
Buy me a coffee
Donate on Paypal
If you enjoy this content please share it with others and consider leaving a review on iTunes. Thanks again to all supporters on my page at Patreon.com/eolu, and to Erin Collins and Karen Johnston for donating on Paypal! Your contributions make all the difference and ensure this podcast stays ad-free.

May 19, 2025 • 57min
Ep. 501 Disability-Informed End-of-Life Care with Carrie Batt
Learn why it’s important to be aware of the needs of people with disabilities (and their families) when providing end-of-life and bereavement care.
My guest Carrie Batt is an end-of-life doula and the founder of SEOL Care which offers disability-competent end-of-life care, support and planning for people with a disability and their families. She advocates for disability competent care and grief support after losing a loved one with a disability . She created a Facebook group To Walk a Mile in My Shoes that honors loss and disability. Learn more at her website:
seolcare.ca
Watch on YouTube
Listen here:
This episode includes:
How Carrie ended up working in the deathcare community as a disability advocate
Definition and categories of disability
Why is there so little awareness of the needs of the disability community
How end-of-life planning may differ for the disability community
What disability awareness training for deathcare workers should consist of
Obstacles to improving disability education
Providing bereavement support to caregivers for those with a disability
End-of-life resources for the disability community
Links mentioned in this episode:
Karen on Broken Beautiful Me Podcast – Listen here
Get my two newest books!! Stories from the Dark Night and The Tao of Death
Get EOLU Podcast Merch here
Conversations on Death with ChatGPT – Audiobook here; Print Book here
Leave me a message by email: kwyattmd@comcast.net, Twitter, Facebook or Instagram
Support your local bookstore by buying my books on Bookshop and Indiebound: 7 Lessons for Living from the Dying and The Journey from Ego to Soul
Subscribe to this podcast on Apple, Google, Spotify, iHeart Radio, Stitcher Radio
Check out the Series I’ve recorded in the past here
Join the team at Patreon.com/eolu and receive free gifts like the “Mind if we talk about death?” mini-poster or Love Your Life sticker or coffee mug. PLUS get our regular bonuses: the monthly EOL News Update, monthly What to Watch recommendations, Behind the Scenes Bonus content, and automatic access to A Year of Reading Dangerously!
Buy me a coffee
Donate on Paypal
If you enjoy this content please share it with others and consider leaving a review on iTunes. Thanks again to all supporters on my page at Patreon.com/eolu, especially my newest patrons Dawn, Rosie Ross, and Beverly. And thank you to Xu Ying Steiner for buying me 5 coffees and to Nancy Reese Jones who made a donation on Paypal! Your contributions make all the difference and ensure this podcast stays ad-free.

May 12, 2025 • 26min
Ep. 500 Celebrating a Milestone with Karen Wyatt MD
Join me for a few stories and a brief celebration of the 500th episode of EOLU Podcast!
This week I’m celebrating the milestone of 500 Episodes and I hope you’ll share my joy! I’ll be answering a few questions (submitted by ChatGPT!) and telling a story or two. It has been an incredible experience being part of this ecosystem and I’m grateful to all of my guests and listeners for making this possible. Next week I’ll be back to the regular schedule of interviews. Meanwhile check out my website and YouTube Channel:
eoluniversity.com
YouTube Channel
Listen here:
This episode includes:
Original vision for the podcast and how it has evolved over time
What I’ve learned about the power of listening
A special story of synchronicity
Patterns and cultural shifts I’ve observed over time
What’s next
Gratitude for listeners and guests
Links mentioned in this episode:
Interview with Maria Hoaglund
Tribute to Maria Hoaglund
Interview with Gary Malkin

May 5, 2025 • 1h 4min
Ep. 499 Death as a Shift in Consciousness with Felicity Warner
Learn about the value of viewing death through a spiritual lens rather than just as an ending of the physical body.
My guest Felicity Warner is the founder of Soul Midwives a global movement to teach holistic and spiritual end-of-life care. She has been working with death and dying for 35 years and her work is often used in hospitals, hospices, and care homes. She also teaches on the use of sacred oils at the end of life and will share that information today along with her insights about the five energetic stages of death. Felicity is also the author of The Soul Midwife’s Handbook, which will released later this year as an updated second edition and she is currently teaching a course on sacred oils for The Shift Network. Learn more at her website:
soulmidwives.co.uk
Register for course
Watch on YouTube
Listen here:
This episode includes:
What is a “soul midwife” and how Felicity came to do this work
The five energetic stages of death and how they show up when people are dying
The role of sacred oils in supporting the dying
How death can be viewed as a shift in consciousness rather than an ending
How Western medicine is missing the emotional and spiritual perspective on life and death
What Felicity’s course on sacred oils will consist of
How we as deathcare workers can be more present to the emotional and spiritual needs of the dying
Links mentioned in this episode:
Pre-Order Poetry book by Andrea Werblin Reid: To See Yourself as You Vanish
Register for Sacred Anointing for the Dying with Felicity Warner OR at this link: https://tinyurl.com/435wdsbp
Get my two newest books!! Stories from the Dark Night and The Tao of Death
Get EOLU Podcast Merch here
Conversations on Death with ChatGPT – Audiobook here; Print Book here
Leave me a message by email: kwyattmd@comcast.net, Twitter, Facebook or Instagram
Support your local bookstore by buying my books on Bookshop and Indiebound: 7 Lessons for Living from the Dying and The Journey from Ego to Soul
Subscribe to this podcast on Apple, Google, Spotify, iHeart Radio, Stitcher Radio
Check out the Series I’ve recorded in the past here
Join the team at Patreon.com/eolu and receive free gifts like the “Mind if we talk about death?” mini-poster or Love Your Life sticker or coffee mug. PLUS get our regular bonuses: the monthly EOL News Update, monthly What to Watch recommendations, Behind the Scenes Bonus content, and automatic access to A Year of Reading Dangerously!
Buy me a coffee
Donate on Paypal
If you enjoy this content please share it with others and consider leaving a review on iTunes. Thanks again to all supporters on my page at Patreon.com/eolu, especially my newest patrons Char Yutzy, Emma Schade-Stylli, and Wendy Getchell-Lacey who also made a donation on Paypal! Your contributions make all the difference and ensure this podcast stays ad-free.

Apr 29, 2025 • 58min
Ep. 498 Memory Bears and Grief in Community with Michelle Sebern RN
Learn how a project making memory bears for people who are grieving is opening the door to conversation about the end of life.
My guest Michelle Sebern is an RN who trained as an end-of-life doula to channel her skills and passion into more community-focused work. When she found her rural community wasn’t quite ready to receive end-of-life doula services she decided to find a more creative way to give back. She will share how she founded The Memory Bear Maker and now creates customized bears to help people in their grief and begin end-of-life conversations. Learn more at her website:
thememorybearmaker.com
Watch on YouTube
Listen here:
This episode includes:
Michelle’s journey from nurse to doula and memory bear maker
The challenges of introducing doula services into a community not quite ready for that step
How she discovered memory bears to be the perfect blend of her passions
How memory bears help with grief
Why the bears are an alternate doorway into end-of-life education and conversations
How grief unites people by dissolving barriers
The magic of storytelling that comes with memory bear making
Links mentioned in this episode:
Previous interview with The Peaceful Presence Project
NEW Gift Guides for Caregivers, People Receiving Care, and People Who are Grieving
Get my two newest books!! Stories from the Dark Night and The Tao of Death
Get EOLU Podcast Merch here
Conversations on Death with ChatGPT – Audiobook here; Print Book here
Leave me a message by email: kwyattmd@comcast.net, Twitter, Facebook or Instagram
Support your local bookstore by buying my books on Bookshop and Indiebound: 7 Lessons for Living from the Dying and The Journey from Ego to Soul
Subscribe to this podcast on Apple, Google, Spotify, iHeart Radio, Stitcher Radio
Check out the Series I’ve recorded in the past here
Join the team at Patreon.com/eolu and receive free gifts like the “Mind if we talk about death?” mini-poster or Love Your Life sticker or coffee mug. PLUS get our regular bonuses: the monthly EOL News Update, monthly What to Watch recommendations, Behind the Scenes Bonus content, and automatic access to A Year of Reading Dangerously!
Buy me a coffee
Donate on Paypal
If you enjoy this content please share it with others and consider leaving a review on iTunes. Thanks again to all supporters on my page at Patreon.com/eolu, especially my newest patron Sue Simone, and to Caroline McClure for buying me 3 coffees! Your contributions make all the difference and ensure this podcast stays ad-free.

Apr 21, 2025 • 1h 5min
Ep. 497 Integrating Doulas and Chaplains in End-of-Life Care with Jane Whitlock and Liza Neal
Learn how doulas and chaplains collaborate to provide end-of-life care in a skilled nursing facility.
My guests for this episode are Jane Whitlock and Liza Neal who both work with the Full Circle Care Program in a skilled nursing facility to support residents and their loved ones during end-of-life journeys. Jane is an end-of-life doula who also helped found the Minnesota Death Collaborative and co-founded Full Circle Care. Liza is a chaplain who has worked to develop spiritual community within and outside faith and multi-faith contexts. She joined the skilled nursing facility in order to be part of the Full Circle Care Program, which we discuss in this interview.
Watch on YouTube
Listen here:
This episode includes:
How the Full Circle Care Program came about
The goals for the program and what it consists of
The roles of doulas and chaplains and how they work together
How they support and educate patients, families and staff around grief and end-of-life choices
The community that develops within a residential facility and approaching the experience of grief for everyone in the facility
The importance of teaching families and staff how to say goodbye to a dying person
How this program helps fills the gaps left by today’s “modern” hospice care
Obstacles that have occurred in creating this program
Tips for other skilled nursing facilities that might want to start a similar program
Links mentioned in this episode:
7th Annual Death Doula World Training Day – Register here
Patreon Q&A Session with me on April 25th at 3 PM Pacific
NEW Gift Guides for Caregivers, People Receiving Care, and People Who are Grieving
Get my two newest books!! Stories from the Dark Night and The Tao of Death
Get EOLU Podcast Merch here
Conversations on Death with ChatGPT – Audiobook here; Print Book here
Leave me a message by email: kwyattmd@comcast.net, Twitter, Facebook or Instagram
Support your local bookstore by buying my books on Bookshop and Indiebound: 7 Lessons for Living from the Dying and The Journey from Ego to Soul
Subscribe to this podcast on Apple, Google, Spotify, iHeart Radio, Stitcher Radio
Check out the Series I’ve recorded in the past here
Join the team at Patreon.com/eolu and receive free gifts like the “Mind if we talk about death?” mini-poster or Love Your Life sticker or coffee mug. PLUS get our regular bonuses: the monthly EOL News Update, monthly What to Watch recommendations, Behind the Scenes Bonus content, and automatic access to A Year of Reading Dangerously!
Buy me a coffee
Donate on Paypal
If you enjoy this content please share it with others and consider leaving a review on iTunes. Thanks again to all supporters on my page at Patreon.com/eolu, especially my newest patron Trina Wacasey, and to everyone who has bought me a coffee or donated on Paypal! Your contributions make all the difference and ensure this podcast stays ad-free.

Apr 14, 2025 • 1h
Ep. 496 Visual Storytelling for End-of-Life Planning with Jill Greenbaum
Learn how the art of Visual Storytelling can enhance end-of-life education and serve as a tool for advance care planning.
My guest Jill Greenbaum is a contemplative chaplain and advocate of conscious living and dying. She completed chaplaincy training at the Upaya Zen Center and integrates her experience in psychology, education, visualization, and trauma-informed teaching into her work helping people explore their choices for end-of-life planning. She discusses how she utilizes visual storytelling in her work and why it is a powerful tool. Learn more at her website:
jillgreenbaum.com
Watch on YouTube
Listen here:
This episode includes:
How Jill was drawn to visual storytelling and applying it to end-of-life planning
What is visual storytelling and how is it used
Why images can convey messages more powerfully than text
What is “graphic medicine”
Tips for more effective end-of-life planning and conversations
How to incorporate visual storytelling into end-of-life education
How visual storytelling can be used to create a visual obituary and a graphic recording for a celebration of life
Links mentioned in this episode:
7th Annual Death Doula World Training Day – Register here
Patreon Q&A Session with me on April 25th at 3 PM Pacific
NEW Gift Guides for Caregivers, People Receiving Care, and People Who are Grieving
Get my two newest books!! Stories from the Dark Night and The Tao of Death
Get EOLU Podcast Merch here
Conversations on Death with ChatGPT – Audiobook here; Print Book here
Leave me a message by email: kwyattmd@comcast.net, Twitter, Facebook or Instagram
Support your local bookstore by buying my books on Bookshop and Indiebound: 7 Lessons for Living from the Dying and The Journey from Ego to Soul
Subscribe to this podcast on Apple, Google, Spotify, iHeart Radio, Stitcher Radio
Check out the Series I’ve recorded in the past here
Join the team at Patreon.com/eolu and receive free gifts like the “Mind if we talk about death?” mini-poster or Love Your Life sticker or coffee mug. PLUS get our regular bonuses: the monthly EOL News Update, monthly What to Watch recommendations, Behind the Scenes Bonus content, and automatic access to A Year of Reading Dangerously!
Buy me a coffee
Donate on Paypal
If you enjoy this content please share it with others and consider leaving a review on iTunes. Thanks again to all supporters on my page at Patreon.com/eolu, and to everyone who has bought me a coffee or donated on Paypal! Your contributions make all the difference and ensure this podcast stays ad-free.

Apr 7, 2025 • 49min
Ep. 495 Care Boss: Strategies for Family Caregivers with Jennifer A. O’Brien
Learn how leadership skills and organizational tools can help decrease stress for family caregivers.
My guest Jennifer O’Brien has been a practice management consultant to physicians for 35 years and is the author of the book The Hospice Doctor’s Widow, which was the subject of our previous interview. After providing care for her husband, a hospice and palliative care physician, at the end of his life she has focused on helping people start conversations about caregiving and end of life. She shares insights and tips from her latest book Care Boss: Leadership Strategies and Resources for Family Caregivers, which was inspired by her realization that there are profound similarities between leadership and family caregivers. Learn more at her website:
jenniferaobrien.com
Get the book here
Watch on YouTube
Listen here:
This episode includes:
Similarities and differences between the roles of family caregiver and CEO
How leadership strategies can benefit an overwhelmed family caregiver
The value of having a mission and vision statement for our end of life
How to assemble a “team” as a caregiver by identifying the helpers
Tips for delegating tasks to others
The best time to read this book and how to use it
Rethinking the idea of self-care as self-management and self-awareness
Using the Intensity Assessment Tool to understand the degree of stress you are experiencing
The idea of “Precious Time” and why it’s important
Links mentioned in this episode:
Sign up for Patreon to get access to Q&A Session on April 25th!
Previous interview with Jennifer
Intensity Assessment Tool for caregivers at Archangels.me
“Precious Time” Implementation Guide for healthcare workers
NEW Gift Guides for Caregivers, People Receiving Care, and People Who are Grieving
Get my two newest books!! Stories from the Dark Night and The Tao of Death
Get EOLU Podcast Merch here
Conversations on Death with ChatGPT – Audiobook here; Print Book here
Leave me a message by email: kwyattmd@comcast.net, Twitter, Facebook or Instagram
Support your local bookstore by buying my books on Bookshop and Indiebound: 7 Lessons for Living from the Dying and The Journey from Ego to Soul
Subscribe to this podcast on Apple, Google, Spotify, iHeart Radio, Stitcher Radio
Check out the Series I’ve recorded in the past here
Join the team at Patreon.com/eolu and receive free gifts like the “Mind if we talk about death?” mini-poster or Love Your Life sticker or coffee mug. PLUS get our regular bonuses: the monthly EOL News Update, monthly What to Watch recommendations, Behind the Scenes Bonus content, and automatic access to A Year of Reading Dangerously!
Buy me a coffee
Donate on Paypal
If you enjoy this content please share it with others and consider leaving a review on iTunes. Thanks again to all supporters on my page at Patreon.com/eolu, and to everyone who has bought me a coffee or donated on Paypal! Your contributions make all the difference and ensure this podcast stays ad-free.

Mar 31, 2025 • 55min
Ep. 494 Integrating Art and the End of Life with Rich Curtis
Learn how a hospice volunteer and doula utilizes his artistic talents to help patients and families.
My guest Rich Curtis is an artist, teacher, hospice volunteer and end-of-life doula. He currently volunteers for Archbold Hospice in Thomasville GA where he has utilized his artistic talents to help patients and their families at the end of life. Rich discusses his own path as an artist and eventually becoming a doula. He shares his drawings and tips for those considering being a hospice volunteer in this conversation. View Rich’s drawings at the link below or watch the video on YouTube to see them on screen:
View Rich’s drawings here
Watch on YouTube
Listen here:
This episode includes:
Rich’s spiritual journey to becoming a doula
How Buddhism encourages contemplation of death
The value of teaching art students about death
How Rich began drawing the hands of patients
Why drawings of hands are a unique and powerful remembrance
Life stories as told through images of hands
Art as an opening to conversations with difficult patients
The power of bringing our creative talents to the bedside of hospice patients
Tips for hospice volunteers
How Rich is creating “Breath Poems” from the sounds of end stage breathing
Links mentioned in this episode:
Rich Curtis Facebook Page
Rich’s Portfolio
NEW Gift Guides for Caregivers, People Receiving Care, and People Who are Grieving
Get my two newest books!! Stories from the Dark Night and The Tao of Death
Get EOLU Podcast Merch here
Conversations on Death with ChatGPT – Audiobook here; Print Book here
Leave me a message by email: kwyattmd@comcast.net, Twitter, Facebook or Instagram
Support your local bookstore by buying my books on Bookshop and Indiebound: 7 Lessons for Living from the Dying and The Journey from Ego to Soul
Subscribe to this podcast on Apple, Google, Spotify, iHeart Radio, Stitcher Radio
Check out the Series I’ve recorded in the past here
Join the team at Patreon.com/eolu and receive free gifts like the “Mind if we talk about death?” mini-poster or Love Your Life sticker or coffee mug. PLUS get our regular bonuses: the monthly EOL News Update, monthly What to Watch recommendations, Behind the Scenes Bonus content, and automatic access to A Year of Reading Dangerously!
Buy me a coffee
Donate on Paypal
If you enjoy this content please share it with others and consider leaving a review on iTunes. Thanks again to all supporters on my page at Patreon.com/eolu, especially my latest supporters Tanya Archambault and Malynda Cress and thanks to Heather Jardine for buying me 3 cups of coffee! Your contributions make all the difference and ensure this podcast stays ad-free.


