

Payments Pros – The Payments Law Podcast
Keith J. Barnett, Carlin A. McCrory, Troutman Pepper Locke, Jason M. Cover
Payment processors, money transmitters, financial institutions, lenders, and other financial technology businesses face increasing scrutiny from regulators, as well as heightened consumer expectations. Troutman Pepper Locke's Payments Pros podcast features insights from our attorneys and business leaders, regulatory experts, and stakeholders on the most challenging legal and regulatory concerns confronted by companies and others in the payments industry. From the BSA to EFTs, fintech to regtech, licensure to lending, Nacha to the CFPB, and payment processing to debt collecting, we have you covered.
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Oct 29, 2025 • 19min
Point-of-Sale Finance Series: Banking on Lending Models
In this crossover episode of Payments Pros and The Consumer Finance Podcast, Chris Willis, Jason Cover, and Taylor Gess discuss licensed lending and bank model lending programs. This conversation dives into the benefits, challenges, and regulatory landscapes that shape these popular lending models for financial institutions and fintechs. Consumer finance providers will gain valuable insights on structuring successful lending partnerships in today's complex environment. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Oct 15, 2025 • 18min
The Future of Bank-Fintech Collaborations in Digital Finance
James Stevens, co-leader of Troutman Pepper Locke's Financial Services Industry Group, discusses the evolving partnerships between banks and digital asset firms. He highlights how banks facilitate fiat transactions and the potential of the GENIUS Act, which affects stablecoin reserves. The conversation also dives into how credit unions engage with fintechs, the regulatory responsibilities surrounding bank-fintech collaborations, and crucial due diligence processes. With insights on liquidity management and treasury operations, this talk unveils the future of digital finance.

Sep 30, 2025 • 18min
The 1033 Shake-Up: CFPB's New Rulemaking Adventure
In this episode of Payments Pros, Carlin McCrory is joined by colleague Kim Phan to discuss the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau's (CFPB) recent developments regarding Section 1033 of the Consumer Financial Protection Act (CFPA). This summer, the CFPB initiated a new rulemaking process, inviting industry comments on its final rule concerning personal financial data rights. With a deadline of October 21 for public comments, industry participants are encouraged to weigh in on access to consumer financial information.Kim and Carlin discuss the strategic implications of the CFPB's reconsideration of the 1033 open banking rule, highlighting the agency's focus on consumer representatives, privacy, security, fee structures, and compliance timelines. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Sep 17, 2025 • 11min
Wage Wonders: Unraveling Payroll Mysteries With Nacha and State Insights
In this episode of Payments Pros, Keith Barnett discusses the complex interplay between payroll processing, Nacha rules, and state labor laws. Building on previous discussions about earned wage access (EWA), Keith examines common issues such as duplicate payments and overpayments, highlighting the importance of adhering to Nacha rules and state-specific labor laws. He explains how erroneous entries are defined under Nacha and the conditions under which reversals can be initiated.The episode also explores the challenges posed by state labor laws, particularly in California and New York, emphasizing the need for employers and processors to navigate both federal and state regulations carefully. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Sep 2, 2025 • 22min
Paddle's Payment Predicament: Unpacking FTC's Compliance Crackdown
In this episode of Payments Pros, hosts Keith Barnett and Carlin McCrory examine the recent $5 million settlement between the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and Paddle.com, a UK-based payment processor. The discussion centers on the FTC's allegations against Paddle for violating the Restore Online Shoppers' Confidence Act (ROSCA) and the Telemarketing Sales Rule (TSR). Paddle's practice of aggregating merchant transactions under its own name led to significant compliance issues with card network rules and masked chargeback levels and disputes. The settlement imposes strict prohibitions on Paddle, including barring it from processing payments for tech support merchants and requiring enhanced client screening and monitoring.Keith and Carlin highlight the critical need for businesses to comply with card network rules. The FTC held Paddle responsible as the merchant of record for the noncompliant negative option billing practices of the merchants whose transactions it processed. The hosts stress the FTC's ongoing vigilance in the payments industry and urge companies to ensure adherence to all regulatory standards. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Aug 19, 2025 • 20min
Enhancing Card Partnerships and Compliance: A Conversation With Matthew Goldman
Matthew Goldman, founder of Totavi, LLC and publisher of CardsFTW, shares his expertise in fintech and operational compliance for card issuers. He discusses the daily responsibilities of maintaining compliance, emphasizing the importance of transaction tracking and fraud scrutiny. Goldman highlights the intricacies of bank-fintech partnerships and the need for effective communication. He also dispels myths about compliance costs, illustrating how compliance should be viewed as a revenue enabler. The conversation is packed with practical insights for navigating the complex payments landscape.

Aug 5, 2025 • 23min
Under the Radar: DOJ's Data Security Rules and Their Impact on Payments Companies
In this episode of Payments Pros, Carlin McCrory is joined by Pete Jeydel, a partner in the firm's White Collar Litigation + Investigations Practice Group, to discuss the new Department of Justice (DOJ) Data Security Program (DSP), which took effect earlier this year. The DSP, administered by the DOJ's National Security Division, aims to enhance protection for sensitive personal data linked to U.S. persons for activity involving countries of concern like China and Russia. Pete explains that this regulatory framework is distinct from traditional data privacy laws, emphasizing national security over individual consent and contractual protections. The program emerged rapidly following an executive order from President Biden in February 2024, reflecting long-standing concerns about foreign data access.As the episode concludes, Pete emphasizes the critical need for companies to understand the scope and impact of the DOJ's new data security rules. These rules include broad exemptions, including for financial services, but they are complex and require careful interpretation. Noncompliance could result in substantial civil and criminal penalties, making it essential for companies to establish a robust compliance strategy. The DOJ rules necessitate a focus on high-risk areas and a risk-based approach to compliance. Companies are encouraged to proactively assess their data security practices to align with DOJ objectives and effectively mitigate potential risks. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Jul 24, 2025 • 25min
Regulatory Rollback: Legal Challenges and Opportunities in Earned-Wage Access
In this special joint episode of The Consumer Finance Podcast and Payments Pros, Chris Willis, co-leader of Troutman Pepper Locke's Consumer Financial Services Regulatory Practice, is joined by Keith Barnett and Jason Cover from the Payments Pros podcast, along with Troutman Pepper Locke Consumer Financial Services Partner Mark Furletti. They discuss the future of earned-wage access (EWA) products following the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau's (CFPB) rescission of previous guidance. The conversation explores the history and evolution of EWA products, initially designed as employer-based solutions to provide employees early access to earned wages without extending credit.The group highlights regulatory challenges, including the CFPB's changing stance and the impact of state laws on EWA offerings. They examine how these products are structured to avoid being classified as credit, focusing on optional fees and the absence of repayment obligations. The discussion also addresses the legal landscape, noting potential state-level regulatory landmines and private litigation. The episode emphasizes the importance for fintechs and payroll processors to navigate these complexities carefully, especially in states with stringent regulations like California and New York. The podcast concludes with insights into the future of EWA, stressing the need for compliance with evolving state and federal laws. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Jul 9, 2025 • 15min
From Banks to FinTech: The Evolution of Small Business Lending
In this special crossover edition of the Payments Pros and Consumer Finance podcasts, Carlin McCrory and Jason Cover are joined by their colleague Caleb Rosenberg to explore the evolving landscape of small business financing. They highlight the significant growth in diverse financing products and providers, which have expanded funding access for small businesses, particularly startups.The discussion outlines the evolution from traditional bank lending to the rise of online and fintech solutions, which have filled gaps left by conventional lenders. The group also examines the complexities of the regulatory environment, focusing on the increased scrutiny from state legislatures and the introduction of consumer-like disclosure requirements for small business lending.Additionally, they consider the impact of recent legislative changes in states like Texas and Louisiana, which could transform financing practices. The conversation includes best practices for structuring and servicing financial products while also speculating on future regulatory trends and the potential influence of federal oversight by the FTC. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Jun 18, 2025 • 25min
Navigating Elder Fraud: Challenges and Legal Trends in Payment Systems
In this episode of Payments Pros, Carlin McCrory is joined by Mary Zinsner, a partner in the Consumer Financial Services Practice Group, to explore the increasing litigation trends in the payments industry, with a focus on elder fraud and financial exploitation.Mary provides valuable insights into how these fraud cases frequently involve diverse payment systems, such as wire transfers and electronic fund transfers. The conversation sheds light on the challenges faced by financial institutions, including the delicate balance between compliance and customer satisfaction, as well as navigating claims related to negligence and breach of contract.Additionally, Mary and Carlin discuss the shifting legal landscape, highlighting state legislative efforts aimed at safeguarding the elderly. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


