Playing The Inner Game

Michael Campion
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Jul 29, 2025 • 1h 24min

#50 Matthias Weiskopf - Inside the Psychology of Luxury: The Inner Game of Branding

Apply to work with me: https://www.michaelxcampion.com/Luxury isn’t about price tags or logos. It’s about identity. Emotion. Desire.And no one understands that better than Matthias Weiskopf.As a brand strategist who’s worked with some of the world’s most iconic names, from Ferrari to Porsche to McLaren, Matthias doesn’t just market luxury. He dissects it. Rebuilds it. And redefines what it means to want something that, frankly, no one needs.In this conversation, we go far beyond product design or campaign strategy. We explore how luxury brands build meaning across cultures, especially in Asia where perception, status, and symbolism shift from one market to the next.But this episode isn’t just about business. It’s about why we chase certain dreams. What it means to create aspiration without alienation.If you’ve ever wondered why a handbag can make someone feel invincible or why storytelling might be the last true luxury — this one’s for you.And if something here sparked a new perspective, let us know in the comments.Stay curious. Connect with Matthias: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthiasweiskopf/Connect with me: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelxcampion/(00:00) Preview(01:25) The Psychology of Luxury (04:22) The Five Tiers of Luxury Customers  (07:48) McLaren vs Ferrari: Heritage, Status & Recognition  (10:51) Emotional Utility and the Experience of Luxury  (12:20) Status Signaling and Relationship Dynamics  (14:14) Why Ferrari’s Brand Is Irreplicable  (17:36) Hyper-Local Strategy for Challenger Brands  (19:15) Managing Retail Across Asia(23:06) The “Money Can’t Buy” Experience Strategy  (27:15) Understanding Customer Desires(31:36) The Disconnect Between Product and Experience in Modern Luxury(33:35) Jaguar's Rebrand Failure (37:48) What Western Luxury Brands Get Wrong About Asia  (43:13) The Rise of Homegrown Brands(47:14) Why Luxury is Not Just About Price  (49:20) The Power of Storytelling in Branding  (50:22) Matthias’ First Luxury Purchase and the Psychology Behind It  (55:58) Porsche’s Ecosystem and Experience-Driven Strategy  (01:02:28) Defining Real Luxury(01:08:02) Matthias’ Career Leap: From McLaren Exec to Entrepreneur  (01:11:32) Building Something That’s Yours: The Solopreneur’s Advantage (01:14:49) Finding Joy in Teaching and Consulting  
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May 27, 2025 • 59min

#49 James Riley - Life Beyond the C-Suite

Apply to work with me: https://www.michaelxcampion.com/James Riley spent decades leading one of the world’s most prestigious hotel brands.But this episode isn’t about boardrooms or five-star service, it’s about what happens after 40 years of executive employment.When James stepped down as CEO of the Mandarin Oriental Hotel Group, he didn’t slow down - he rewrote the rules. From abseiling Angel Falls with limited eyesight to backing mission-driven startups, he’s chasing meaning over metrics.We talk about reinventing identity, letting go of legacy, and designing a life filled with purpose, not pressure.If you’ve ever asked yourself “what’s next?” after success, this conversation is for you.Let us know what resonated in the comments. And if you’re enjoying the show, subscribe and stay curious.Connect with James Riley: https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-riley-8442011Connect with me: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelxcampion/(00:00) Why James Riley Walked Away from a 41-Year Career  (01:43) Trekking Angel Falls with Failing Eyesight  (08:42) Retirement Guilt: “I’m Still Never Home”  (10:22) James’ Insights on Leadership and Managing Time  (14:50) What James Is Focused On Now  (17:27) What Attracted James to Oberoi Hotels(21:57) Backing Mission Driven Startups (27:54) VoiceMap: An App That Can Replace a Tour Guide(34:13) Launching a Podcast for Travelers  (39:16) The Best ChatGPT Prompt to Explore Cities(45:27) A Pattern That Follows Him Through Life  (49.07) Durham University Fundraising(51:53) Family, Cold Swims, and the Next Big Adventure  
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May 6, 2025 • 1h 21min

#48 Bastien Le Coz & Gabriella Zavatti - How We Built a Global Luxury Brand Without Sacrificing Family Life

Apply to work with me: https://www.michaelxcampion.com/Founded in 2015 by Bastien Le Coz and Gabriella Zavatti, Palatino Hospitality is a global leader in luxury hospitality, serving some of the world’s finest hotels — from Four Seasons, to One & Only, to Bulgari.But this episode isn’t just about building Palatino Hospitality and their recent merger with La Bottega. It’s about what happens when your life partner also becomes your co-founder.When every creative idea, late-night pitch deck, and long-haul flight is shared with the same person you’re raising a family with.From the outside, Bastien Le Coz and Gabriella Zavatti might look like just another power couple.But once you sit with them — as I did for this episode — you’ll hear the story behind the brand.We go deep into:- What it takes to scale without losing your relationship- The secret power of co-preneurship (and where it can break you)- Why creativity is the ultimate business strategy- How to sell without selling — by staying radically authentic- The quiet rituals that build lasting hospitality brandsThis one’s for anyone building something — a brand, a business, or a life — and wondering if it’s possible to do it all without burning out or selling out.I hope this conversation moves you as much as it moved me.And if it did, leave a comment below and let us know what resonated.Connect with me: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelxcampion/Connect with Gabriella on IG: @gabriellazavConnect with Bastien on IG: @BastienlecozFollow Palatino on IG: @palatinohospitalityWebsite: https://www.palatinogroup.com/ Palatino in the news: Merger with La Bottegahttps://www.unstageetapres.fr/(00:00) Preview and Intro(03:20) Blending Family, Work, and Travel  (07:05) The Importance of Presence in Work and Life  (10:02) Helping Clients (and Themselves) Disconnect  (13:08) Complementary Strengths & Co-Leadership  (16:23) Scaling the Business Without Losing the Soul  (22:13) Creativity as a Strategic Advantage  (26:23) Launching Before You're Ready  (30:21) The Sustainability Pivot & Market Timing  (33:49) Turning Clients Into Catalysts for Growth  (36:35) Learning from Failure Without Worshipping It  (39:36) What’s Next for Palatino(40:03) Designing Travel for Transformation  (46:00) Storytelling, Rituals, and the Future of Luxury Hospitality  (49:50) Personalization vs. Standardization in Guest Experience  (52:31) Living the Brand: Family, Travel, and Hospitality  (56:31) Leadership Principles: Empathy, Kindness, and Excellence  (01:02:21) Building a Purpose-Driven Business  (01:08:23) Lessons from Family, Mentors, and the Next Generation(01:07:00) The 5:1 Rule: Building a Culture of Positive Feedback  (01:08:23) Top Business Lessons from Experience  (01:10:03) Wisdom from Family: Gratitude and Quiet Strength  (01:13:55) Teaching Courage and Creativity to the Next Generation  (01:17:00) Final Reflections: Empathy, Mentorship & Social Impact
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Apr 15, 2025 • 1h 14min

#47 Benjamin Quinlan - High Performer Burnout Is REAL (No One Talks About This)

Benjamin Quinlan, Partner at Quinlan & Associates, brings his expertise in corporate training to discuss high-performance burnout. He emphasizes the need for balance between intense work and self-care, a crucial topic for executives today. Quinlan shares insights on navigating consultancy challenges in a shifting economy and the importance of emotional intelligence. He highlights the value of authentic relationships, effective communication, and even humor in business interactions, showcasing how these factors can transform high-pressure environments into opportunities for growth.
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Apr 1, 2025 • 39min

#46 How I Went From Pro Footballer to Coaching Fortune 500 Executives [My Story]

Apply to work with me: https://www.michaelxcampion.com/I used to be too shy to speak in class.Now I coach executives, founders, and venture capitalists, how to speak more persuasively.This is the full story arc - from shy kid in Hong Kong to investment banker, to wine expert, to professional footballer, to entrepreneur, and now keynote speaker and executive coach.35 minutes of missteps, reinventions, and sliding doors moments that mattered.From folding t-shirts and waiting tables, to speaking on national TV and coaching execs you see on Bloomberg and CNBC.It’s a touch vulnerable and quite personal, but maybe it’ll give someone out there the courage to jump and get in the arena.That would be a win in my eyes.I made it for anyone who’s ever:•Felt like they were playing small•Had something valuable to say, but didn’t know how to say it•Or simply needed proof that confidence can be built, not inheritedThis is the full story of how I learned to speak up, back myself, and why I’m passionate about helping others do the same.I hope there’s something in it that resonates.And if it does, please remember to subscribe to future episodes and leave a review! Connect with me: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelxcampion/
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Dec 4, 2023 • 1h 26min

#45 Rob Mills - The Born Entertainer Tackling Men's Mental Health, Happiness, & Self Worth

Rob Mills is an actor, performer, and born entertainer who's well known in Australia for his roles on stage in productions that include Jesus Christ Superstar, Ghost the Musical, Hairspray, and Wicked. Many will recognise him from his role as Finn Kelly on the popular television series, Neighbours, for which he won "Best Actor TV Soap Awards UK".He is currently playing the role of William Shakespeare in the brilliant award-winning musical “& Juliet” (https://andjuliet.com.au/) which is now coming to Perth & Sydney.Rob Mills first came to the attention of the Australian public in 2003 as a finalist on the first series of Australian Idol. With his boyish charm and a successful national Idol Tour, he was signed to BMG records. Rob’s first single 'Ms Vanity' debuted at #6 on the Australian charts, reaching Gold status. His debut album Up All Night was released in June 2004.Rob and Michael met in Singapore in October 2023 to discuss:- Relationships- The perils of early fame- Self-confidence & self-worth- Finding himself in musical theatre- Happiness & lowering your expectations- Notions of masculinity & men's mental health- Speaking to mates vs speaking to a psychotherapist- His latest book 'Putting on a Show: Manhood, Mates, & Mental Health'Guest: Rob MillsWebsite: https://www.robmills.net.au/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-suhina-singh/Instagram: @robmillsymillsBuy the Book: Putting on a Show - Mates, Manhood & Mental HealthHost: Michael X. CampionHomepage: www.michaelxcampion.comLinkedIn: @michaelxcampionIG: @michaelxcampionLinktree: https://linktr.ee/MichaelxcampionMichael Campion is a Corporate Trainer, Career Coach, and Entrepreneur based between Singapore and Hong Kong. If you are looking for an Executive Coach or Keynote Speaker please email the address below. Coaching & Speaking Enquiries: hello@michaelxcampion.com
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Sep 21, 2023 • 58min

#44 Dr Suhina Singh - Miss South Africa Finalist, Medical Doctor, HealthTech Entrepreneur on a Mission

Medical Doctor. Model. Miss South Africa Finalist. Entrepreneur. Healthcare Strategist. Executive MBA. Investor. Chronic Disease Warrior. Fashion Blogger. My guest, Dr Suhina Singh has worn more than a few hats in her career thus far, but her current hat as co-founder of Jonda Health is the one she was truly meant to wear.We discuss her past adventures and how she found her calling. In this wide-ranging conversation we cover:- Growing up the odd one out- Reluctantly entering the world of fashion and modelling- Is there a tax on attractiveness?- Her most painful moments as a doctor- Leaving the medical profession- The new lease of life her INSEAD Executive MBA gave her- Finding her way back to herself- Why everyone loses in the current healthcare system- The ups and downs of entrepreneurship- Daily habits and words to live by- Plus much moreI hope you enjoy this raw and unedited conversation as much as I did. Guest: Dr Suhina SinghWebsite: https://www.jonda.health/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-suhina-singh/Instagram: @luxitgirl Playing The Inner Game Podcast: Hosted by Michael CampionHomepage: www.michaelxcampion.comLinkedIn: @michaelxcampionhttps://linktr.ee/MichaelxcampionIG: @michaelxcampion-----Michael Campion is a Corporate Trainer, Career Coach, and Entrepreneur based between Singapore and Hong Kong. If you are looking for an Executive Coach or Keynote Speaker please email the address below.Coaching & Speaking Enquiries: hello@michaelxcampion.com
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May 22, 2023 • 1h 24min

#43 Philipp Knuepfer - GM of Mandarin Oriental Singapore on Doing What You Love, Letting Things Go & The Art of Hospitality

*Aside from the 60 second introduction, this episode of the podcast is a raw and unedited version of my conversation with Philipp Knuepfer, General Manager of the Mandarin Oriental, Singapore. As time passes and the longer the podcast goes on, I sense that there is a universal desire for greater authenticity.  Sharing our conversation in its entirety, imperfections and all, should bestow a more natural sense of being a fly on the wall.  This will also be the first episode of Playing The Inner Game to be released as a video podcast on YouTube, which hopefully adds even further to the sense of connection between speaker and listener...* Philipp has been with Mandarin Oriental Group for over 20 years, taking up leadership positions in Hawaii, Malaysia, Thailand, Taipei, USA, and Singapore. He generously shares with us his principles on leadership, service standards and hospitality, the importance of choosing the right life partner, following your gut instincts, going against your father's wishes, and how happiness, positivity, and career success are ultimately a choice you make.  I hope that you enjoy this conversation as much as I did.P.S. If you enjoyed this you may also enjoy Episode 13 with CEO of Mandarin Oriental Hotel Group, James Riley.Guest: Philipp KnuepferWebsite: https://www.mandarinoriental.com/en/singapore/marina-bay Instagram: @philippknuepfer LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philipp-knuepfer-mba-22437014/ Playing The Inner Game Podcast:Homepage: www.michaelxcampion.comLinkedIn: @michaelxcampionIG: @michaelxcampion-----Michael Campion is a Corporate Trainer, Career Coach, and Entrepreneur based between Singapore and Hong Kong. If you are looking for an Executive Coach or Keynote Speaker please email the address below.Coaching & Speaking Enquiries: hello@michaelxcampion.com
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Feb 21, 2023 • 1h 7min

#42 Sophia Hotung - Eurasian Artist & Writer on Identity, Disability, Self-Esteem, & Feeling Like You're Enough

*This episode first appeared on the Eurasian Society podcast and sees Michael Campion step in as guest host.  Sophia Hotung's family were trailblazers in this city; her great great Grandfather Sir Robert Hotung being the first one to really pave the way for Eurasians in society during a time of racial segregation in HK. Naturally, we touch upon some of that fascinating history but we also wanted to ensure that we captured the present and did justice to Sophia’s journey, because she is an inspiration to many and a very talented artist and writer in her own right.Sophia is the illustrator behind 'The Hong Konger' and we talk about dropping out of the corporate rat race early, the struggle of entrepreneurship against the backdrop of her 7 (yes 7) autoimmune diseases. We discuss Eurasian identity, disability, and belonging. We talk about the pressures of tiger parenting, societal scorekeeping, self-esteem, and thus the importance of keeping something sacred. Having a hobby or passion that is yours, that nobody else can touch. We end the podcast on some principles and inspirational words to live by. Sophia is wonderfully articulate with a lovely turn of phrase, and I felt that throughout the entirety of our chat there was a great generosity of spirit. She shares things openly because she believes it will help motivate, illuminate, or open doors for others, and the world needs more people like that. I hope that you enjoy this wide-ranging conversation as much as I did. ______The Eurasian Society is a charity that aims to promote and improve the lives of Eurasians through awareness, education and opportunity. To provide scholarships and funding to the most vulnerable members of our community. Follow Eurasian Society:Website: https://eurasiansociety.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/eurasiansociety/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/eurasiansocietyhk/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/eurasian-society/Twitter: https://twitter.com/eurasiansociety/Guest: Sophia HotungWebsite: https://www.sophiahotung.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sophiahotung/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shotung/Host: Michael X CampionHomepage: www.michaelxcampion.comLinkedIn: @michaelxcampionIG: @michaelxcampion-----Michael Campion is a Corporate Trainer, Career Coach, and Entrepreneur based between Singapore and Hong Kong. If you are looking for an Executive Coach or Guest Speaker please email the address below.Email for Coaching & Speaking Enquiries: hello@michaelxcampion.com
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Feb 8, 2023 • 1h 42min

#41 Chris Lowder - World Class Hospitality Expert on Dealing with Discomfort, Social Superpowers, and Why You Should Give Away Your Secrets

My guest today is Chris Lowder, the Co-founder of Lowder Tascarella Hospitality ( or LTH for short). Chris is one of the world’s most sought-after talents in corporate and multi-venue luxury bar consulting and LTH deliver thoughtful hospitality for the modern era. Helping property owners to program, open & operate profitable, memorable, and socially significant hospitality destinations. Some of his happy clients include: The Four Seasons Hotels, Leading Hotels of the World (LHW), Swire Hotels, Accor Hotels China, Aman Hotels, Capella Hotels, Starbucks China, DisneyLand China,  ABINbev etc.During his nearly 5-year tenure as GM of Proof & Company in China, Proof’s consulting team placed at least 2-3 creative projects in the World's 50 Best Bars every year, and 5-8 creative projects in Asia’s 50 Best Bars every year. No other beverage consulting team on Earth has ever achieved this level of sustained excellence. Did I also mention that he’s also ridiculously fluent in both Mandarin and Japanese and over the last few months has been absolutely blowing up on TikTok. Despite our paths crossing in the wine and spirits world, this episode and this show is never really about one specific industry, it’s about one’s inner game,, it’s about how lessons and principles learned in a field can be transferred and applied elsewhere, and Chris’ incredibly diverse range of hard-won skills and life experiences create a rich tapestry full of interesting threads to pull on. When you marry intellectual curiosity and intellect, with the work ethic of an athlete, and the creativity of an artist, this is what you get. You get the vortex of positive energy that is Chris Lowder and the next 90 minutes are full of great soundbites and ‘cheat codes’ for life that anyone can apply to make themselves happier, healthier, wealthier, and wiser. Links:LTH Hospitalityhttps://linktr.ee/GetLowderNowIG: @getlowdernowTikTok: @getlowdernowMy personal favourite TikTok of his (time to get educated!)LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopher-lowder-00887030/------Mentions:Momofuku by David ChangThe NoMad Hotel NYCProof & Co & Jason WilliamsRich Dad Poor Dad by Robert KiyosakiRich Dad's CASHFLOW Quadrant: Rich Dad's Guide to Financial Freedom Solve for Happy by Mo GawdatDerek Sivers on The Tim Ferriss Show-----Host: Michael X CampionHomepage: www.michaelxcampion.comLinkedIn: @michaelxcampionIG: @michaelxcampion-----Michael Campion is a Corporate Trainer, Career Coach, and Entrepreneur based between Singapore and Hong Kong. If you are looking for an Executive Coach or Keynote Speaker please email the address below.hello@michaelxcampion.com

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