

So What About AI Agents
Philippe Trounev
🎙 What About AI Agents is your go-to podcast for exploring the rapidly evolving world of AI agents. From automating workflows to revolutionizing industries, we break down the latest advancements, real-world applications, and emerging trends in AI.
Join us weekly as we uncover how AI agents are shaping our future, featuring expert interviews, thought-provoking insights, and stories that bridge the gap between humans and intelligent systems. Whether you're an AI enthusiast, industry professional, or simply curious about the tech shaping tomorrow, What About AI Agents has something for you.
Join us weekly as we uncover how AI agents are shaping our future, featuring expert interviews, thought-provoking insights, and stories that bridge the gap between humans and intelligent systems. Whether you're an AI enthusiast, industry professional, or simply curious about the tech shaping tomorrow, What About AI Agents has something for you.
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Oct 6, 2025 • 31min
EP 41 | Agentic Society with Duri Chitayat
KeywordsAI agents, agentic society, culture, ethics, workforce, education, technology, future generations, automation, human-AI interactionSummaryIn this conversation, Philippe Trounev and Duri Chitayat explore the transformative impact of AI agents on society, culture, and the workforce. Duri shares his insights on how AI can be integrated into company culture, the challenges of teaching AI about human culture, and the implications for future generations growing up in an AI-driven world. They discuss the ethical responsibilities of AI developers and the need for a robust educational framework to prepare for a future where AI plays a central role in our lives. The conversation emphasizes the importance of trust, ethics, and adaptability in navigating the evolving landscape of technology and society.TakeawaysDuri Chitayat emphasizes the need for AI to adapt to human culture.AI agents can fundamentally change business models and operations.Understanding cultural nuances is crucial for effective AI integration.The future workforce will require new skills and adaptability due to AI.Ethics in AI development is essential to prevent negative societal impacts.Trust will become a key factor in human-AI interactions.Education systems must evolve to prepare children for an AI-driven world.Diversity of skills will be important for future job security.Cognitive decline can occur if we rely too heavily on AI.A balance between technology use and human interaction is necessary.TitlesNavigating the Agentic RevolutionAI Agents: Redefining Business and CultureSound bites"Agents must adapt to our culture""We might lose autonomy with AI tools""Prepare for a genetic society"Chapters00:00 Introduction to Agentic Society02:50 Cultural Integration of AI Agents05:25 The Role of AI in Corporate Culture08:12 AI and the Next Generation10:37 Future Workforce and Education13:36 Ethics in AI Development16:04 Preparing for a Genetic Society

Sep 30, 2025 • 33min
P 40 | Agentic Security - Grant McCracken @ DarkHorse.sh
SummaryIn this episode, Philippe Trounev and Grant McCracken discuss the evolving landscape of cybersecurity, particularly focusing on the role of agentics and AI in enhancing security measures. They explore the implications of new attack vectors like prompt injection, the potential for agent-to-agent attacks, and the innovative approach of agentic pen testing. Grant shares insights on how AI can improve the efficiency and effectiveness of security testing while emphasizing the importance of foundational cybersecurity practices. The conversation highlights the balance between leveraging advanced technologies and maintaining robust security protocols.TakeawaysCybersecurity is evolving with the introduction of agentics.Fundamentals of cybersecurity remain crucial despite new technologies.68% of data breaches originate from human error.Prompt injection is a significant new attack vector.AI can identify existing vulnerabilities but not create new ones.Agentic pen testing offers continuous, fatigue-free testing.Contextual vulnerabilities are better identified by AI.AI pen testing could reduce costs compared to human testers.Dark Horse aims to make cybersecurity solutions accessible.AI compute costs are high but expected to decrease over time.TitlesThe Future of Cybersecurity: Agentics and AIUnderstanding Cybersecurity in the Age of AISound bites"68% of data breaches start at the human layer.""Prompt injection is a new attack vector.""Agentic pen testing can run 24/7 without fatigue."Chapters00:00 Introduction to Cybersecurity and AI Agents01:42 Changing Attack Vectors in Cybersecurity03:44 Human Layer Vulnerabilities and AI's Role07:13 Prompt Injection and Offensive Strategies11:26 Agentic Systems and Security Risks12:58 Agent-to-Agent Attacks and Communication Risks17:03 Agentic Pen Testing: A New Approach21:33 Cost Efficiency of Agentic Pen Testing24:48 Exciting Developments in AI Pen Testing27:53 Future of Agentic Pen Testing and Market Potential

Sep 23, 2025 • 34min
EP 39 - Agentic Authentication | Bobbie Chen
SummaryIn this episode, Philippe Trounev interviews Bobbie Chen, a product manager at Stytch, about the challenges and solutions related to AI agents, particularly in the context of security and fraud prevention. They discuss the concept of agentic experience, the importance of effective authentication methods, and the need for businesses to protect themselves from bad bots. Bobby shares insights on implementing agentic solutions, navigating compliance issues, and the future of fraud prevention in an increasingly automated world.TakeawaysAI agents have unique needs that differ from human users.Agentic experience is crucial for effective interaction with AI.Security measures must evolve to protect against bad bots.Device fingerprinting is a key tool in identifying fraudulent activity.CAPTCHAs are becoming less effective against sophisticated attacks.Shadow banning can be an effective strategy against spammers.Integrating agentic solutions can be quick and efficient.Compliance with regulations like GDPR is essential for businesses.The future of fraud prevention will require constant adaptation.Understanding attack vectors is vital for effective security measures.TitlesNavigating the World of AI AgentsThe Importance of Agentic ExperienceChapters00:00 Introduction to AI Agents and Security Challenges02:51 Understanding Agent Experience05:24 Agent Authentication and Security Risks08:03 Identifying Good and Bad Agents10:38 Defending Against Malicious Bots13:22 Real-World Impacts of Agentic Attacks16:07 Implementing Agentic Solutions18:52 Future of Fraud Prevention and Agentic Technology21:47 Navigating Privacy and Compliance Issues24:29 Final Thoughts on AI Agents and Security

Sep 15, 2025 • 39min
EP 38 - The Role of AI in Drug Discovery - Javier Tordable from Pauling.AI
KeywordsAI, drug discovery, Pauling.AI, language models, FDA approvals, automation, inhibitors, in silico experiments, agentic prompts, healthcareSummaryIn this conversation, Javier Tordable from Pauling.AI discusses the innovative approach to drug discovery using AI and language models. He explains the mission behind the company, the challenges of FDA approvals, and the automation of literature reviews and simulations. The discussion also covers the importance of inhibitors in drug discovery, the differences between in silico and wet lab experiments, and the need for adaptability in AI models. Tordable emphasizes the significance of the mission in improving healthcare and the potential for partnerships in the drug discovery process.TakeawaysPauling.AI aims to shorten drug discovery time significantly.AI-generated drugs follow the same FDA approval process as traditional drugs.Language models excel at reviewing and summarizing prior research.Automation of initial simulations can save weeks of work.Most drugs developed are inhibitors, which block specific biological processes.In silico experiments are a focus for Pauling.AI, differentiating from wet lab experiments.The risk of hallucinations in AI requires careful management in drug discovery.Adapting to rapid changes in AI models is crucial for success.Human-initiated interactions guide the AI agents' processes.The mission of drug discovery is to improve lives, not just profit.Sound bites"Most drugs are inhibitors.""We focus on in silico experiments.""Human-initiated interaction is key."Chapters00:00 Introduction to Agentic Drug Discovery02:15 The Role of AI in Drug Discovery04:55 Current State of AI-Driven Drug Development07:25 Challenges in Drug Discovery and AI Integration10:04 Optimizing AI Agents for Drug Discovery12:53 Human-AI Collaboration in Drug Discovery15:39 Future of AI in Drug Discovery18:13 Insights and Best Practices for Building AI Agents21:10 The Economics of Drug Discovery23:41 Conclusion and Future Directions

Sep 15, 2025 • 14min
AI News - Sep 7 - Sep 14
KeywordsAI news, investment, governance, AI companions, market dynamics, technology trends, AI deployment, valuations, regulatory landscape, business intelligenceSummaryIn this episode of So What About AI, Philippe Trounev discusses the latest developments in AI news, focusing on significant investments, the challenges of AI deployment, the rise of AI companions, and the shifting focus of venture capitalists from artificial general intelligence (AGI) to return on investment (ROI). The conversation highlights the complexities of AI governance, the societal implications of AI companionship, and the regulatory landscape affecting AI technologies.TakeawaysCognition AI raised $400 million at a $10.2 billion valuation.95% of enterprise AI pilots fail, indicating a significant challenge in deployment.97% of AI deployments globally lack proper governance.AI companions are becoming a concern for governments due to their increasing prevalence.Venture capitalists are shifting their focus from AGI to ROI, emphasizing profitability.Companies are increasingly buying AI solutions rather than building them in-house.The AI market is experiencing a peak hype phase, with significant investments flowing in.OpenAI's job platform aims to teach humans to work alongside AI.Mistral's $1.3 billion investment reflects the growing intersection of hardware and AI.The regulatory landscape is becoming more complex, particularly in the EU.Sound bites"OpenAI launches a job platform.""95% of enterprise AI pilots fail.""AI agents are at peak hype."Chapters00:00 AI News Overview04:50 Governance and Regulation in AI09:32 Data Breaches and Security Concerns

Sep 12, 2025 • 36min
EP 37 | Navigating AI Implementation in Enterprises - Patrick Rayes
keywordsAI agents, enterprise implementation, pharmaceutical sector, SAP, ChatGPT, employee training, AI adoption, technology consulting, Infosys, automationsummaryIn this conversation, Philippe Trounev interviews Patrick Rayes, a senior principal at Infosys Consulting, about the implementation of AI agents in enterprise settings, particularly in the pharmaceutical sector. They discuss the challenges faced during AI adoption, the importance of human intervention, and the approval processes required in regulated industries. Patrick shares insights on employee training and the top-down approach necessary for successful AI integration, as well as managing expectations and misconceptions about AI capabilities.takeawaysAI implementation in enterprises requires a top-down approach.Human intervention is still necessary in AI processes.Approval processes in regulated industries are crucial for AI adoption.Employee training and education are key to successful AI integration.AI agents can simplify complex workflows and processes.Managing expectations about AI capabilities is essential for stakeholders.The pharmaceutical sector has specific requirements for AI implementation.A centralized interface enhances user experience with AI tools.Consulting firms play a vital role in guiding AI adoption.Companies must adopt AI with the same urgency as the internet.titlesNavigating AI Implementation in EnterprisesThe Role of Human Intervention in AISound Bites"AI is getting big right now.""Human intervention is still required.""AI agents simplify complex processes."Chapters00:00Introduction to AI Agents in Enterprises02:19AI Implementation in Pharmaceuticals and Banking04:43Challenges and Lessons Learned in AI Adoption07:01Human Intervention in AI Processes09:37Real-World Examples of AI Implementation11:02Approval Processes for AI in Regulated Industries12:45Comparing AI Tools: SAP Jewel, ChatGPT, and Gemini15:21Employee Adoption and Training for AI Systems18:03Impact of AI on Workflows and Efficiency20:41Managing Expectations Around AI Capabilities23:24Consulting Strategies for AI Transformation26:10Safeguarding Proprietary Knowledge in AI28:56Key Takeaways for Successful AI Implementation

Sep 9, 2025 • 31min
EP 36 | The Future of User Experience in an AI-Driven World | Ginny Delaiter
In this episode, Ginny Delaiter, founder and CEO of BDS Digital Agency, discusses the intersection of user experience (UX) and artificial intelligence (AI) in marketing. She emphasizes the importance of integrating AI into UX design while maintaining a human-centered approach. The conversation explores how AI can enhance user experience, the need for accessibility in AI-driven designs, and the evolving landscape of UI/UX as AI becomes more prevalent. Ginny shares insights on best practices for adapting websites for AI agents and the importance of educating users about new technologies.takeawaysUser experience should be the center of the product.AI gives us open doors to do faster work and better work.We need a human interloop in the process of UX design.Blocking the agent means losing traffic and visibility.Agents are smarter than traditional search engines like Google.UX strategies need to be done by humans, not just AI.Don't say no and refuse everything new; adapt to change.A good website should be understood by both people and AI.UX is all about education and guiding users through the experience.We need to think about different personas in UX design.

Aug 7, 2025 • 33min
EP 35 | With Sofiya Eremenko | Is a "Copilot" AI Better Than an "Autopilot" One?
In this episode of What About AI Agents, host Philippe Trounev sits down with Sofiya Eremenko, founder of the agency Aimly, to discuss the practical, and sometimes surprising, reality of implementing AI at scale. Sofiya shares her hard-earned insights from working in the vibrant but complex GCC (Gulf Cooperation Council) region. She dives into her own "failure experience" with a client-facing AI agent that was meant to automate sales follow-ups. The key lesson? Cultural nuances and different dialects, like those found across the Arab world, are too complex for current AI models to handle effectively. Sofiya learned that a polite "Insha'Allah" from a client doesn't mean a follow-up is necessary—it can be a subtle "no." Instead of a full-automation "autopilot," Sofiya’s team found success by building an internal AI "copilot." This agent acts as a powerful knowledge base, helping sales managers quickly get complex product details without needing to consult with different teams. This system reduced the time to respond to a client from an entire day down to a single hour, proving that the most effective AI solutions often support human work rather than replace it. Tune in to hear more of Sofiya’s insights, including her advice on selling AI solutions by focusing on the "wow effect" of simple use cases and the critical importance of extensive testing to safeguard against unexpected outcomes. Want to be a guest on What About AI Agents? Send Philippe Trounev a message on PodMatch, here: https://podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/17345406908669558d25580e0#AI #AIAgents #SoftwareDevelopment #Innovation #HR #Technology #Podcast #Enterprise #Podmatch

Aug 5, 2025 • 32min
EP 34 | With Casey Marquette | Is AI Recruiting More Ethical Than Ghosting?
In this episode of What About AI Agents, host Philippe Trounev sits down with Casey Marquette, CEO of Covenant HR, to explore a game-changing solution for the recruiting industry. Marquette, a former C-suite executive from tech giants like Cognizant and CVS Health, reveals how his company is tackling one of the biggest frustrations in hiring: the endless stream of unreviewed applications and the silent treatment candidates often receive.He introduces Scout, an AI agent so powerful it acts as an HR force multiplier. Imagine a recruiter that screens resumes in 2.2 seconds and works 24/7, ensuring every single applicant gets a fair shot. Marquette explains how Scout handles the entire recruiting cycle, from technical pre-screening to scheduling, freeing up human recruiters to focus on what they do best: building relationships.This isn't just about efficiency it's about a new, more ethical way to hire. Marquette addresses the skepticism around "talking to an AI" and argues that providing consistent, valuable feedback is far better than ghosting a candidate. Tune in to discover how Covenant HR is not only making recruiting faster and smarter but also more humane, proving that the future of hiring is here, and it's powered by AI.Want to be a guest on So What About AI Agents? Send Philippe Trounev a message on PodMatch, here: https://podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/17345406908669558d25580e0#AI #AIAgents #SoftwareDevelopment #Innovation #HR #Technology #Podcast #Enterprise #Podmatch

Aug 4, 2025 • 37min
EP 33 | With Yaakov Sash | Is "Vibe Coding" The Future of Software Development?
In this episode of What About AI Agents, host Philippe Trounev sits down with Yaakov Sash, Founder & CEO of CASSO.ai With a vast background in FinTech as the founder of Novospir and a director of credits, Yaakov Sash discusses how his platform helps turn raw ideas into perfect, AI-ready specifications. He makes a crucial distinction between "vibe coding" for quick prototypes and the disciplined approach needed for production-level applications, highlighting the risks of unvalidated, AI-generated code, especially in sensitive sectors like healthcare. Yaakov's insights point to a future where the role of developers evolves from writing code to validating it, with platforms like CASSO.ai providing the necessary blueprints and accountability. Don't miss this practical and future-focused conversation on the evolution of AI coding and the new paradigm of software development. Like, comment, and subscribe for more AI deep dives.#AI #AIAgents #SoftwareDevelopment #Coding #Innovation #FinTech #Technology #Podcast #VibeCoding #Enterprise #Podmatch